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osubuckeye89 said:
Still think they shoulda kept Martinez on offense instead of making him a DB. He's really fast but has zero instincts when it comes to coverage or tackling angles.
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This is the understatement of the year.
 
Across The Field said:
Like I said, guys like Cam Martinez shouldn't see significant time like he had to last year. Honestly I don't know why he's still on the team. He was the dope responsible for michigan's first two TDs and should've never been out there. Health will definitely be a big thing on both sides of the ball. With the three transfers, a healthy Jordan Hancock (and Ransom not playing with a cast on his hand), and some more playing time for Sonny Styles, hopefully they take a big step.
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Cameron Brown was left on his own the 1st TD pass. Then OSU's brilliant defensive strategy left your safety to cover UM's only deep threat in single coverage and that's when Martinez was burned.
 
Across The Field said:
Penalties also killed us in the 2nd half last year. We had 6 compared to michigan's 0, several of which killed OSU drives/extended michigan drives. Those have to be cleaned up.
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The dumbass head butt completely changed the game, I still stand behind that. Gee Scott shoulda been cut from the team for that.

That whole series just fucked us

Went from 1st and 10 at the Michigan 48. The same play was a HOLDING on us, which pushed us back 10 yards, then the retard headbutt pushed us back another 15 to 1st and 35 all the way back on our own 27
 
Across The Field said:
The front 7 doesn't include the defensive backfield.
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The front 7 gives the QB time to throw the ball when they can't pressure and the front 7 is responsible for letting a team run for 250 yards. And that "front 7" was actually 8 or 9 throughout the game. As OSU would have their safeties drop to within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage many times throughout the game to fill the LB holes, after they shot the gaps.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Cameron Brown was left on his own the 1st TD pass. Then OSU's brilliant defensive strategy left your safety to cover UM's only deep threat in single coverage and that's when Martinez was burned.
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Yep that was my bad. My point on Martinez still stands. Corn Johnson is a solid WR but Martinez got fooled like a middle schooler on that route.
 
Also Day's candy ass fucking punting on 4th and 5 from the Michigan 43 after we just completed passes of 13 and 14 yards when our defense couldn't stop them anyway. Brilliant. Hopefully Hartline brings some more balls to the play calling instead of his purse.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
The whole secondary was pretty bad at the taking proper angles thing last year though, to be fair. Martinez was just the worst at it.
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I've said it for a couple years now -- Ohio State simply doesn't have anyone on their defense that strikes fear in other teams. They don't have it in the secondary, they don't have it on the defensive line. Eichenberg was the only guy I was impressed with on their defense. He showed vast improvement, IMO.

OSU has had a national championship offense the last two years and a soft defense. Bringing pressure and stacking the box helps nullify getting pushed around, but it opens the defense to exactly what Michigan did to them. Long runs, big pass plays. You leave everyone on an island. It is the EXACT same defense Don Brown used at Michigan when OSU would put up 50-60 points on us.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
The front 7 gives the QB time to throw the ball when they can't pressure and the front 7 is responsible for letting a team run for 250 yards. And that "front 7" was actually 8 or 9 throughout the game. As OSU would have their safeties drop to within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage many times throughout the game to fill the LB holes, after they shot the gaps.
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They did a fine job creating pressure against michigan, hence JJ only completing 50% of his passes, and they kept Edwards in check for the entire game until late in the 4th. I'm not gonna rip them too bad for 2 plays. The big penalties on defense were from DBs and the big pass play fuckups were on the DBs.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I've said it for a couple years now -- Ohio State simply doesn't have anyone on their defense that strikes fear in other teams. They don't have it in the secondary, they don't have it on the defensive line. Eichenberg was the only guy I was impressed with on their defense. He showed vast improvement, IMO.

OSU has had a national championship offense the last two years and a soft defense. Bringing pressure and stacking the box helps nullify getting pushed around, but it opens the defense to exactly what Michigan did to them. Long runs, big pass plays. You leave everyone on an island. It is the EXACT same defense Don Brown used at Michigan when OSU would put up 50-60 points on us.
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Like I said if our secondary was even just average last year we win the title. But they were horrible, so didn't happen.

I wouldn't call last years defense "soft" 2021, yes. Last year they just couldn't cover anyone. Even when we did get pressure it was null a good amount of the time because the secondary left someone wide the fuck open.
 
Across The Field said:
Yep that was my bad. My point on Martinez still stands. Corn Johnson is a solid WR but Martinez got fooled like a middle schooler on that route.
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If you leave your safety in man coverage against a teams top WR -- that is going to happen more times than not, and I'm not even a Cornelius Johnson fan, I don't even like the guy. Alabama tried that strategy against Tennessee having their safety cover Hyatt in single coverage and Hyatt scored 5 touchdowns.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I've said it for a couple years now -- Ohio State simply doesn't have anyone on their defense that strikes fear in other teams. They don't have it in the secondary, they don't have it on the defensive line. Eichenberg was the only guy I was impressed with on their defense. He showed vast improvement, IMO.

OSU has had a national championship offense the last two years and a soft defense. Bringing pressure and stacking the box helps nullify getting pushed around, but it opens the defense to exactly what Michigan did to them. Long runs, big pass plays. You leave everyone on an island. It is the EXACT same defense Don Brown used at Michigan when OSU would put up 50-60 points on us.
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This is how I can tell you have no idea what you're talking about. Going into last year's game, michigan had 0 plays of 70 yards or more, yet they hit on 3 of them and nearly 4 of them against OSU. You had one sustained scoring drive the entire game and couldn't do much outside of busting those 5 plays.

On the flipside, when OSU was demolishing michigan's defense, we were routinely marching up and down the field at will. I can only think of one long TD that even compares to the 4 you had last year in terms of being a big busted play and that was the Parris Campbell pop pass when he turned on the jets. Otherwise, we just did what we wanted up and down the field.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
If you leave your safety in man coverage against a teams top WR -- that is going to happen more times than not, and I'm not even a Cornelius Johnson fan, I don't even like the guy. Alabama tried that strategy against Tennessee having their safety cover Hyatt in single coverage and Hyatt scored 5 touchdowns.
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Is it a better or worse strategy than having slow ass Tuf Borland cover the best WR in the country 1 on 1 in the CFP title game against Bama? Some of the shit our coaches have done the past few years just makes my head explode.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
If you leave your safety in man coverage against a teams top WR -- that is going to happen more times than not, and I'm not even a Cornelius Johnson fan, I don't even like the guy. Alabama tried that strategy against Tennessee having their safety cover Hyatt in single coverage and Hyatt scored 5 touchdowns.
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I think most of the safeties we've had in recent memory would've at least recovered in time to make the tackle, or at least an attempt, on that play. Martinez just has 0 actual DB instincts.
 
Across The Field said:
They did a fine job creating pressure against michigan, hence JJ only completing 50% of his passes, and they kept Edwards in check for the entire game until late in the 4th. I'm not gonna rip them too bad for 2 plays. The big penalties on defense were from DBs and the big pass play fuckups were on the DBs.
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You gave up 530 yards. You brought pressure all game and had 1 sack. Michigan ran the ball for over 7 yards per carry and 3 touchdowns. OSU sold out to stop the run and still couldn't stop it.
 
This is just making me remember that we need to fire Ryan Day for his play calling travesties against Michigan and at times against UGA.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Is it a better or worse strategy than having slow ass Tuf Borland cover the best WR in the country 1 on 1 in the CFP title game against Bama? Some of the shit our coaches have done the past few years just makes my head explode.
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OSU sold out all game to stop the run. That's why you saw Michigan throwing downfield so much to single coverage. Their game plan wasn't to have their safeties in single coverage like that -- it was to stop the run, but if they did use play action, they hoped the DL could get to the QB before a play could be made downfield. OSU's defensive front couldn't get to the QB.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
OSU sold out all game to stop the run. That's why you saw Michigan throwing downfield so much to single coverage. Their game plan wasn't to have their safeties in single coverage like that -- it was to stop the run, but if they did use play action, they hoped the DL could get to the QB before a play could be made downfield. OSU's defensive front couldn't get to the QB.
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Do you not remember me calling for all coaches to be fired because of them constantly putting these players in position to do things they've proven they CANT do over and over again? Lol.

When you keep putting a bunch of half injured low rent DBs in one on one coverage of course they are gonna get burnt. Anyone could see that EXCEPT for our coaches.

Oh and WR screens and slow developing outside handoffs still don't work for our players. But they do in Ryan Day's head.
 
Across The Field said:
I think most of the safeties we've had in recent memory would've at least recovered in time to make the tackle, or at least an attempt, on that play. Martinez just has 0 actual DB instincts.
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Martinez got completely spun into the ground -- he actually played it right. He watched the hips of the WR and Cornelius sold the flag route by faking the break, as soon as Martinez bit, the ball was in the air and he ran the post.

That is how you draw it up and why you don't leave a safety alone like that deep with no help.
 
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