Conference teams that played 10 P5 opponents in 2022...

[Across The Field]

You gave up 530 yards. You brought pressure all game and had 1 sack. Michigan ran the ball for over 7 yards per carry and 3 touchdowns. OSU sold out to stop the run and still couldn't stop it.

LOL we stopped it the entire game outside of 2 runs, did you even watch?

 

[Across The Field]

Martinez got completely spun into the ground -- he actually played it right. He watched the hips of the WR and Cornelius sold the flag route by faking the break, as soon as Martinez bit, the ball was in the air and he ran the post.

That is how you draw it up and why you don't leave a safety alone like that deep with no help.

That's not at all what happened. Martinez was lined up on Corn's outside shoulder and then turned his back to Johnson prematurely towards the outside thinking he had read the play right which he clearly didn't. That is a telltale sign of a DB that has shit instincts.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Do you not remember me calling for all coaches to be fired because of them constantly putting these players in position to do things they've proven they CANT do over and over again? Lol.

When you keep putting a bunch of half injured low rent DBs in one on one coverage of course they are gonna get burnt. Anyone could see that EXCEPT for our coaches.

Oh and WR screens and slow developing outside handoffs still don't work for our players. But they do in Ryan Day's head.

Ohio State was bullied the year before by Michigan. It is no secret the strength of Michigan's offense last year was their OL and running attack. Ohio State was not going to lineup with 7 in box and let UM do exactly what they did last year. So they sold out to stop the run. To sell out to stop the run though, you have to leave the secondary on an island.

Michigan used that EXACT defense for 4 years with Don Brown as our DC. I was laughing as I watched the game, as I called it out after the first drive. Against lesser teams -- you will overwhelm them. It is why Michigan had one of the best defenses each year under Don Brown. But when we faced teams like OSU -- they would HAMMER us. It isn't a defense that is sustainable against teams with comparable talent, as you take way too much risk.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Ohio State was bullied the year before by Michigan. It is no secret the strength of Michigan's offense last year was their OL and running attack. Ohio State was not going to lineup with 7 in box and let UM do exactly what they did last year. So they sold out to stop the run. To sell out to stop the run though, you have to leave the secondary on an island.

Michigan used that EXACT defense for 4 years with Don Brown as our DC. I was laughing as I watched the game, as I called it out after the first drive. Against lesser teams -- you will overwhelm them. It is why Michigan had one of the best defenses each year under Don Brown. But when we faced teams like OSU -- they would HAMMER us. It isn't a defense that is sustainable against teams with comparable talent, as you take way too much risk.

I don't mind that defense is you have the players to pull it off. Problem is the guys we have currently CLEARLY could not, yet they still kept rolling it out there like it was going to work and not be a disaster. Fire the coaches for being tards.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I'm going to go ballistic this year if Day and Co keep constantly trying to shove square pegs into round holes

 

[Across The Field]

Ohio State was bullied the year before by Michigan. It is no secret the strength of Michigan's offense last year was their OL and running attack. Ohio State was not going to lineup with 7 in box and let UM do exactly what they did last year. So they sold out to stop the run. To sell out to stop the run though, you have to leave the secondary on an island.

Michigan used that EXACT defense for 4 years with Don Brown as our DC. I was laughing as I watched the game, as I called it out after the first drive. Against lesser teams -- you will overwhelm them. It is why Michigan had one of the best defenses each year under Don Brown. But when we faced teams like OSU -- they would HAMMER us. It isn't a defense that is sustainable against teams with comparable talent, as you take way too much risk.

Still LOLing at you comparing those years where we methodically moved the ball up and down the field to the game last year where you relied on 5 big plays.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

LOL we stopped it the entire game outside of 2 runs, did you even watch?

At what point are you going to understand -- that is EXACTLY THE ISSUE with the defense OSU ran. Michigan had the #2, #5, #6 and #10 defense in the nation under Don Brown, who did essentially the exact same thing that OSU did against UM. In those years -- OSU averaged around 50 points per game against UM (not sure the exact number, but it was bad -- may have been over 50).

The defense looks great as it forces an offense to execute and make the correct and accurate throw while hopefully facing pressure, as many times those throws will be downfield it adds difficulty. But if you face a team with comparable talent, they will exploit it. It is not a surprise UM did, as they faced that defense for years in practice.

You continue to say -- outside of 2 runs, but fail to realize, you stacked the box essentially the entire game, selling out to stop the run. Even though you did that -- you STILL gave up 250 yards on the ground. The reason why Edwards ran untouched is -- everyone was coming downhill to stop the run, so once he broke the line of scrimmage, there was no one there to help.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Still LOLing at you comparing those years where we methodically moved the ball up and down the field to the game last year where you relied on 5 big plays.

You ran the same type of play over and over and over. You'd run crossing routes all game long, which you could use because our LB's were doing the exact same thing OSU's LB's would do -- filling the A and B gaps to stop the run, instead of getting depth and forcing throws elsewhere.

And you continue to harp on 5 plays, but it was only 5 plays because we scored 4 touchdowns on drives where we only ran a total of 8 plays. We also had a 7 play 75 yard TD drive and a 15 play 81 yard TD drive.

The defense OSU used is the reason for the big plays they gave up. If they had ANY FAITH in their front 7 to be able to handle UM's OL -- they would have backed off that strategy immediately after the 1st CJ TD. Instead, they continue to do the exact same thing all game.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I'm going to go ballistic this year if Day and Co keep constantly trying to shove square pegs into round holes

I actually feel bad for OSU fans, as weird as that sounds. OSU has had a national championship offense the last couple years. It is OSU's defense that has failed them miserably.

 

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[Across The Field]

At what point are you going to understand -- that is EXACTLY THE ISSUE with the defense OSU ran. Michigan had the #2, #5, #6 and #10 defense in the nation under Don Brown, who did essentially the exact same thing that OSU did against UM. In those years -- OSU averaged around 50 points per game against UM (not sure the exact number, but it was bad -- may have been over 50).

The defense looks great as it forces an offense to execute and make the correct and accurate throw while hopefully facing pressure, as many times those throws will be downfield it adds difficulty. But if you face a team with comparable talent, they will exploit it. It is not a surprise UM did, as they faced that defense for years in practice.

You continue to say -- outside of 2 runs, but fail to realize, you stacked the box essentially the entire game, selling out to stop the run. Even though you did that -- you STILL gave up 250 yards on the ground. The reason why Edwards ran untouched is -- everyone was coming downhill to stop the run, so once he broke the line of scrimmage, there was no one there to help.

Let me make this simple for you: michigan ran 62 plays against OSU.

5 plays - 349 yards
57 plays - 181 yards

As I mentioned earlier, michigan had not recorded a single 70 yard play the entire season and had nearly 4 against us. Despite our DBs being atrocious backups who should've never been on the field and our apparently bad front 7, you averaged 3.2 yards per play on 92% of your plays. Those 5 big plays would be what are known as statistical outliers, meaning you can't count on them happening very often. Those games you mention where OSU kicked the shit out of michigan and scored at will were nothing like this at all, as we still had shitloads of yards but rarely broke a play over 50 yards in those games. We just kept consistently moving the ball. I do not know how you can still make that comparison.

 

[Across The Field]

You ran the same type of play over and over and over. You'd run crossing routes all game long, which you could use because our LB's were doing the exact same thing OSU's LB's would do -- filling the A and B gaps to stop the run, instead of getting depth and forcing throws elsewhere.

And you continue to harp on 5 plays, but it was only 5 plays because we scored 4 touchdowns on drives where we only ran a total of 8 plays. We also had a 7 play 75 yard TD drive and a 15 play 81 yard TD drive.

The defense OSU used is the reason for the big plays they gave up. If they had ANY FAITH in their front 7 to be able to handle UM's OL -- they would have backed off that strategy immediately after the 1st CJ TD. Instead, they continue to do the exact same thing all game.

Your 7 play/75 yard drive was 5 plays that got you 11 yards and then a McCarthy run and a long TD pass to a wide open guy thanks to our bumbling DBs who either fell down or ran into each other.

Do you think your offense averaging 3.2 yards per play was going to win that game? Because that was what it was outside of those 5 long plays. If you think statistical outliers against a team with a busted trash secondary is what you can expect from OSU from here on out, then I guess go ahead.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Your 7 play/75 yard drive was 5 plays that got you 11 yards and then a McCarthy run and a long TD pass to a wide open guy to our bumbling DBs who either fell down or ran into each other.

Do you think your offense averaging 3.2 yards per play was going to win that game? Because that was what it was outside of those 5 long plays. If you think statistical outliers against a team with a busted trash secondary is what you can expect from OSU from here on out, then I guess go ahead.

Ahhhh yes -- the statistical outliers that happened not once, not twice, not three times, not 4 times, but FIVE TIMES in the game. At what point do they stop being outliers and start being a product of the defensive game plan? Or do you have more excuses, you know, like blaming your "trash secondary" for two 75 yard runs, as if they were at fault.

It is crazy how delusional you are. The big plays happened BECAUSE OF YOUR DEFENSIVE GAME PLAN. If OSU plays their base defense, UM would run all over them. So they sold out to stop the run..........why? Because UM pushed them all over the field the year before and they sold out to make sure it didn't happen again. Why do you think OSU stacked the box KNOWING FULL WELL their secondary is not a strength? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK THEIR FRONT 7 COULD HANDLE MICHIGAN'S OL WITHOUT BRINGING HELP.

Now what happens when you stack the box leave single coverage all over the field and you aren't pressuring the QB? Unless you have a team full of Sauce Gardner's -- you are going to get burnt by big plays, which is exactly what happened. And what happens when you sell out to stop the run, but STILL get blocked and a RB breaks thru the line of scrimmage? Who is there to make the tackle? I will give you a hint -- you get exactly what happened when your defensive strategy doesn't work -- a running back running wind sprints down the field.

It isn't rocket science. OSU's had a high risk/high reward defensive strategy -- the SAME high risk/high reward defensive strategy Don Brown used for years at Michigan. When you can pressure the QB and contain the line of scrimmage -- it is a smothering defense. If you don't -- you give up big plays, which is exactly what happened to OSU. There is no statistical outliers, it was the risk your DC took to try and stop the run, because he didn't trust your front 7 to hold up.

 

[Across The Field]

Ahhhh yes -- the statistical outliers that happened not once, not twice, not three times, not 4 times, but FIVE TIMES in the game. At what point do they stop being outliers and start being a product of the defensive game plan? Or do you have more excuses, you know, like blaming your "trash secondary" for two 75 yard runs, as if they were at fault.

It is crazy how delusional you are. The big plays happened BECAUSE OF YOUR DEFENSIVE GAME PLAN. If OSU plays their base defense, UM would run all over them. So they sold out to stop the run..........why? Because UM pushed them all over the field the year before and they sold out to make sure it didn't happen again. Why do you think OSU stacked the box KNOWING FULL WELL their secondary is not a strength? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK THEIR FRONT 7 COULD HANDLE MICHIGAN'S OL WITHOUT BRINGING HELP.

Now what happens when you stack the box leave single coverage all over the field and you aren't pressuring the QB? Unless you have a team full of Sauce Gardner's -- you are going to get burnt by big plays, which is exactly what happened. And what happens when you sell out to stop the run, but STILL get blocked and a RB breaks thru the line of scrimmage? Who is there to make the tackle? I will give you a hint -- you get exactly what happened when your defensive strategy doesn't work -- a running back running wind sprints down the field.

It isn't rocket science. OSU's had a high risk/high reward defensive strategy -- the SAME high risk/high reward defensive strategy Don Brown used for years at Michigan. When you can pressure the QB and contain the line of scrimmage -- it is a smothering defense. If you don't -- you give up big plays, which is exactly what happened to OSU. There is no statistical outliers, it was the risk your DC took to try and stop the run, because he didn't trust your front 7 to hold up.

You averaged 3.2 yards per play over 57 out of your 62 plays. Saying the scheme was the problem because it failed on 5 big plays is idiotic. If that was our scheme and JJ completed like 70% of his passes and continued to pick us apart while Edwards was picking up chunk gains all game long, that would make sense for your argument. That's the Don Brown defense you're talking about, because that's what OSU routinely did to him. These two things are not the same.

35 of your 62 plays went for 3 yards or less, not including JJ's 3 yard TD. Again, if you plan on going into The Game this year and only having 3.2 yards per play on 92% of your plays and winning, then I guess go right ahead.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

You averaged 3.2 yards per play over 57 out of your 62 plays. Saying the scheme was the problem because it failed on 5 big plays is idiotic. If that was our scheme and JJ completed like 70% of his passes and continued to pick us apart while Edwards was picking up chunk gains all game long, that would make sense for your argument. That's the Don Brown defense you're talking about, because that's what OSU routinely did to him. These two things are not the same.

35 of your 62 plays went for 3 yards or less, not including JJ's 3 yard TD. Again, if you plan on going into The Game this year and only having 3.2 yards per play on 92% of your plays and winning, then I guess go right ahead.

Yes -- your scheme was tremendous, other than giving up 48 points and 530 yards of offense. I stand corrected.

The funniest part is -- you sound like all the blind homer Michigan fans who would defend Don Brown after OSU would put up 50 and 500 yards of offense. They'd use your same logic -- take out the big chunk plays and the defense didn't really play bad.

The issue is -- that is the design of the defense. To force tackles for loss, to pressure the QB and force mistakes. The problem with it is -- you are prone to big plays. The problem with your logic -- you can't hand pick plays and decide to say they didn't happen to justify the poor game plan.

 

[Across The Field]

Yes -- your scheme was tremendous, other than giving up 48 points and 530 yards of offense. I stand corrected.

The funniest part is -- you sound like all the blind homer Michigan fans who would defend Don Brown after OSU would put up 50 and 500 yards of offense. They'd use your same logic -- take out the big chunk plays and the defense didn't really play bad.

The issue is -- that is the design of the defense. To force tackles for loss, to pressure the QB and force mistakes. The problem with it is -- you are prone to big plays. The problem with your logic -- you can't hand pick plays and decide to say they didn't happen to justify the poor game plan.

I've already debunked this, please move on.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I've already debunked this, please move on.

You haven't debunked anything -- you are just turning a blind eye to it. Chunk plays don't mean it has to be a 70 yard td, it is essentially plays of 20 or more yards, which constitutes big chunk plays. It just so happens that Michigan's went for more. That defense works against mediocre/average teams, which is the majority of what OSU will face. If you play a team with talent on offense or an offensive line to give you time -- it gets burned.

Georgia did the samue thing against Ohio State -- beating them with chunk plays. They didn't have one or two plays for 20 or more yards -- They had 9 DIFFERENT PLAYERS with either a reception or run of 20 or more yards.

The reason UM beat OSU is we grossly outcoached OSU. Instead of letting OSU beat UM with big plays -- they forced them to go on longer drives and forced them to make more plays to score. Michigan doesn't have close to the talent OSU has on the field, but Michigan is better coached and had much better game plans. That's why Michigan fans don't want to see Ryan Day go anywhere.

It will be fun this year to hear the new excuses after UM/OSU play. I guess when you haven't beaten your rival since 2019 -- it gives you lots of time to come up with excuses.

 

[osubuckeye89]

You haven't debunked anything -- you are just turning a blind eye to it. Chunk plays don't mean it has to be a 70 yard td, it is essentially plays of 20 or more yards, which constitutes big chunk plays. It just so happens that Michigan's went for more. That defense works against mediocre/average teams, which is the majority of what OSU will face. If you play a team with talent on offense or an offensive line to give you time -- it gets burned.

Georgia did the samue thing against Ohio State -- beating them with chunk plays. They didn't have one or two plays for 20 or more yards -- They had 9 DIFFERENT PLAYERS with either a reception or run of 20 or more yards.

The reason UM beat OSU is we grossly outcoached OSU. Instead of letting OSU beat UM with big plays -- they forced them to go on longer drives and forced them to make more plays to score. Michigan doesn't have close to the talent OSU has on the field, but Michigan is better coached and had much better game plans. That's why Michigan fans don't want to see Ryan Day go anywhere.

It will be fun this year to hear the new excuses after UM/OSU play. I guess when you haven't beaten your rival since 2019 -- it gives you lots of time to come up with excuses.

Ryan Day's play calling in that game was fireable, i'll stand behind that.

Constant WR screens that had not worked all season, and trying a bunch of goofy slow developing handoffs, which also never worked all year, some with a fucking LB they had just recently moved back to RB. Criminal. It's like Day was playing not to lose in a game he was losing in the 2nd half. Idiot kept "trusting the defense" when it was proven time and time again the defense could not be trusted as well.

The hope is that Day is TRULY giving up the majority of play calling duties to Hartline.

 

[Across The Field]

Ryan Day's play calling in that game was fireable, i'll stand behind that.

Constant WR screens that had not worked all season, and trying a bunch of goofy slow developing handoffs, which also never worked all year, some with a fucking LB they had just recently moved back to RB. Criminal. It's like Day was playing not to lose in a game he was losing in the 2nd half.

The hope is that Day is TRULY giving up the majority of play calling duties to Hartline.

Oddly enough, that converted LB averaged 6 ypc. It's wild how many injuries we were dealing with by the end of the year and still got that kind of production.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Oddly enough, that converted LB averaged 6 ypc. It's wild how many injuries we were dealing with by the end of the year and still got that kind of production.

I think most of his yards came on a few chunk runs in the 1st half though. Then they tried that slow developing shit with him and it did not work at all.