Conference teams that played 10 P5 opponents in 2022...

[Rolltide94]

There is no context except to tOSU fans. You missed a field goal, we missed 2. You lost a WR to injury but didn't have sufficient backups. And, we lost players, too. We can dig into all the context you want, at the end of the day we did enough to win the game and that is what counts. Trust me, I have been where you were (2012 SECCG, 2017 NCG, and a dozen other times over the years). It just is what it is.

Hate to support anything Dawgs, but Georgia's best WR didn't even get off the bus...he had 5 catches for 88 yards and 2 td's vs TCU...and similar numbers vs LSU prior. Harrison had 5 catches for 102 and 2 td's versus Georgia...if Harrison was important than so was Ladd...just sayin.

 

[Across The Field]

Just not sure how attractive Wisconsin is going to be to those kinds of players, they've basically built a niche around certain kinds of players since the early 90s. Fickell is going to have to sell it well.

I think the portal is going to be their friend early and often. If you're a 4/5* QB who finds himself buried at the OSU/UGA/Alabama/USCs of the world, you could do much worse. Plus, if we're being honest, you can pencil them into the B1G CCG every year if things go well.

 

[Across The Field]

Hate to support anything Dawgs, but Georgia's best WR didn't even get off the bus...he had 5 catches for 88 yards and 2 td's vs TCU...and similar numbers vs LSU prior. Harrison had 5 catches for 102 and 2 td's versus Georgia...if Harrison was important than so was Ladd...just sayin.

If you wanna go down that road, OSU came into the game down their top 3 RBs (one being a likely 2024 first rounder) and #1 WR, and by the end of the game they lost Harrison and their #1 TE as well.

 

[ericd7633]

What have Florida and Barn done lately though? Florida has lost 4 or more games in 10/13 seasons since 2010. Auburn has lost at least 4 games EVERY SEASON since their BCSCCG loss to Florida State in 2013. Not denying that they won those titles in the past. But to act like they are still consistently great teams because of success 10+ years ago is laughable.

LSU has that outlier title in 2019 but they've been VERY inconsistent for the last 10 years.

Their current year on field national title odds have dick to do with what happened over a decade ago.

I think the biggest thing is programs like Florida and Auburn are currently the 4th and 5th best programs in the league(not projecting to next year, but overall) and how does that compare to other leagues' 4th and 5th best programs? Teams like Florida and Auburn have a high ceiling because they've both won titles and played for multiple titles in the last couple decades. Who's the 4th best program in the B1G? MSU? Wisconsin? We've seen what MSU did when playing at the elite level, and if LSU has been inconsistent, they are right there with them, only without the titles and title appearances.

Also, relating back to this thread, I don't see why everyone has an issue with the SEC playing 8 OOC games. If you want to beat them, this gives teams an extra 14 games to do so.

 

[Rolltide94]

What have Florida and Barn done lately though? Florida has lost 4 or more games in 10/13 seasons since 2010. Auburn has lost at least 4 games EVERY SEASON since their BCSCCG loss to Florida State in 2013. Not denying that they won those titles in the past. But to act like they are still consistently great teams because of success 10+ years ago is laughable.

LSU has that outlier title in 2019 but they've been VERY inconsistent for the last 10 years.

Their current year on field national title odds have dick to do with what happened over a decade ago.

The danger with LSU and Florida is their recruiting, they have talented players on campus. Penn State is a contender because of this. If Wisconsin has too many more recruiting classes like this past one, they won't be a contender in the West, let alone nationally.

 

[Across The Field]

The danger with LSU and Florida is their recruiting, they have talented players on campus. Penn State is a contender because of this. If Wisconsin has too many more recruiting classes like this past one, they won't be a contender in the West, let alone nationally.

We've seen far, far too many examples of "talented" teams in regards to recruiting stars who are pathetic on the field. Without at least a pretty good coach and staff, those players are nothing. This isn't just in the SEC, either. Look at michigan the first 5-6 years under Harbaugh, or Texas basically since Mack Brown left, or most of the Clay Helton teams at USC, or many years of Notre Dame. These teams would be routinely bringing in top 10-15 ranked recruiting classes (many of them even better than that), yet they'd dramatically underperform on the field because the coaching was garbage. LSU might have that taken care of with Brian Kelly (though he was inconsistent at ND and clearly has holes), but UF? Who knows.

 

[Rolltide94]

We've seen far, far too many examples of "talented" teams in regards to recruiting stars who are pathetic on the field. Without at least a pretty good coach and staff, those players are nothing. This isn't just in the SEC, either. Look at michigan the first 5-6 years under Harbaugh, or Texas basically since Mack Brown left, or most of the Clay Helton teams at USC, or many years of Notre Dame. These teams would be routinely bringing in top 10-15 ranked recruiting classes (many of them even better than that), yet they'd dramatically underperform on the field because the coaching was garbage. LSU might have that taken care of with Brian Kelly (though he was inconsistent at ND and clearly has holes), but UF? Who knows.

Of course, but show me the team that won a title with the #58 recruiting class. Recruiting well doesn't guarantee you a title, recruiting poorly guarantees you won't.

 

[ericd7633]

We've seen far, far too many examples of "talented" teams in regards to recruiting stars who are pathetic on the field. Without at least a pretty good coach and staff, those players are nothing. This isn't just in the SEC, either. Look at michigan the first 5-6 years under Harbaugh, or Texas basically since Mack Brown left, or most of the Clay Helton teams at USC, or many years of Notre Dame. These teams would be routinely bringing in top 10-15 ranked recruiting classes (many of them even better than that), yet they'd dramatically underperform on the field because the coaching was garbage. LSU might have that taken care of with Brian Kelly (though he was inconsistent at ND and clearly has holes), but UF? Who knows.

This comes back to my theory on ceiling. Teams like Florida and Auburn have a national title ceiling when they are rolling. Auburn has played in two title games and won another, since Saban has been at Bama. LSU has played in two titles and won another, since Saban has been at Bama. Sure LSU and Auburn have been inconsistent, but it says something that they could even do that while having to deal with the best 15 year dynasty in modern college football. And that doesn't even include the other teams in that western division that recruit top 25-30 on an annual basis. Somebody has to finish last even though they have top 25-30 talent. There is no Rutgers or Indiana or Maryland.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

We've seen far, far too many examples of "talented" teams in regards to recruiting stars who are pathetic on the field. Without at least a pretty good coach and staff, those players are nothing. This isn't just in the SEC, either. Look at michigan the first 5-6 years under Harbaugh, or Texas basically since Mack Brown left, or most of the Clay Helton teams at USC, or many years of Notre Dame. These teams would be routinely bringing in top 10-15 ranked recruiting classes (many of them even better than that), yet they'd dramatically underperform on the field because the coaching was garbage. LSU might have that taken care of with Brian Kelly (though he was inconsistent at ND and clearly has holes), but UF? Who knows.

Florida is scary because they are always a good coaching hire away from being a real problem. LSU can make terrible hires and still find a way to win a natty it seems

 

[Across The Field]

Of course, but show me the team that won a title with the #58 recruiting class. Recruiting well doesn't guarantee you a title, recruiting poorly guarantees you won't.

58th, of course not, but that's getting into mostly G5 territory. I'd take a group of 25-30th ranked class guys with excellent coaches over a team of top 5 class recruits with shit coaching any day.

 

[osubuckeye89]

We've seen far, far too many examples of "talented" teams in regards to recruiting stars who are pathetic on the field. Without at least a pretty good coach and staff, those players are nothing. This isn't just in the SEC, either. Look at michigan the first 5-6 years under Harbaugh, or Texas basically since Mack Brown left, or most of the Clay Helton teams at USC, or many years of Notre Dame. These teams would be routinely bringing in top 10-15 ranked recruiting classes (many of them even better than that), yet they'd dramatically underperform on the field because the coaching was garbage. LSU might have that taken care of with Brian Kelly (though he was inconsistent at ND and clearly has holes), but UF? Who knows.

Texas A&M is probably the most glaring example of this. The talking heads seem to pimp them every year, yet they are much much more likely to finish with 4 or more losses than be a legit title contender.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

58th, of course not, but that's getting into mostly G5 territory. I'd take a group of 25-30th ranked class guys with excellent coaches over a team of top 5 class recruits with shit coaching any day.

Anyone would. That’s essentially Michigan State from 2010-2015 vs Texas since Mack Brown mailed it in.

But to win it all, you’re gonna have to be able to recruit at a high level and have a great coaching staff. If you can’t develop, you’re just wasting talent.

You can get a team like a 2010 Auburn to go all the way with a relatively low blue chip ratio, but it’s gonna take a generational QB to pull that off

 

[osubuckeye89]

Anyone would. That’s essentially Michigan State from 2010-2015 vs Texas since Mack Brown mailed it in.

But to win it all, you’re gonna have to be able to recruit at a high level and have a great coaching staff. If you can’t develop, you’re just wasting talent.

You can get a team like a 2010 Auburn to go all the way with a relatively low blue chip ratio, but it’s gonna take a generational QB to pull that off

MSU those few years, TCU last year. It's possible for these teams to get "in the running" but its very hard for them to actually win it all.

 

[Across The Field]

This comes back to my theory on ceiling. Teams like Florida and Auburn have a national title ceiling when they are rolling. Auburn has played in two title games and won another, since Saban has been at Bama. LSU has played in two titles and won another, since Saban has been at Bama. Sure LSU and Auburn have been inconsistent, but it says something that they could even do that while having to deal with the best 15 year dynasty in modern college football. And that doesn't even include the other teams in that western division that recruit top 25-30 on an annual basis. Somebody has to finish last even though they have top 25-30 talent. There is no Rutgers or Indiana or Maryland.

They only have a national title ceiling because at one time they each had really good coaching staffs (or in LSU's case, got extremely lucky for one season that they had Joe Brady). That said, without Urban Meyer, Florida is going on 3 decades without a title and is most likely a mediocre team this century outside of a few 10-3 type years. LSU largely has been mediocre-above average for the past 15 years aside from the Burrow year and 2013. Thing is, with the recruiting advantages these schools have, not to mention the complete and total lack of interest the NCAA has in actually investigating anything that happens there, they should never have mediocrity. The reality is, though, they only have a national title ceiling when they have elite coaching, which goes for every team.

 

[Across The Field]

Florida is scary because they are always a good coaching hire away from being a real problem. LSU can make terrible hires and still find a way to win a natty it seems

Florida is dormant right now and I don't see that changing. Something just isn't right at that program. LSU loves making terrible hires, but unless Joe Brady comes back I don't take them as a serious title contender. Brian Kelly simply isn't that guy.

 

[osubuckeye89]

They only have a national title ceiling because at one time they each had really good coaching staffs (or in LSU's case, got extremely lucky for one season that they had Joe Brady). That said, without Urban Meyer, Florida is going on 3 decades without a title and is most likely a mediocre team this century outside of a few 10-3 type years. LSU largely has been mediocre-above average for the past 15 years aside from the Burrow year and 2013. Thing is, with the recruiting advantages these schools have, not to mention the complete and total lack of interest the NCAA has in actually investigating anything that happens there, they should never have mediocrity. The reality is, though, they only have a national title ceiling when they have elite coaching, which goes for every team.

LSU just had the perfect storm working for them. If they woulda had a competent head coach they may have easily ended up the greatest team of all time with the offensive talent they had.

 

[Across The Field]

Anyone would. That’s essentially Michigan State from 2010-2015 vs Texas since Mack Brown mailed it in.

But to win it all, you’re gonna have to be able to recruit at a high level and have a great coaching staff. If you can’t develop, you’re just wasting talent.

You can get a team like a 2010 Auburn to go all the way with a relatively low blue chip ratio, but it’s gonna take a generational QB to pull that off

This is why I could see teams like Wisconsin, Utah, or North Carolina legitimately winning a title in the next decade. They all have great coaches and cultures, and with the portal being a thing now, they could absolutely catch lightning in a bottle and pull it off with one magical year.

 

[Across The Field]

LSU just had the perfect storm working for them. If they woulda had a competent head coach they may have easily ended up the greatest team of all time with the offensive talent they had.

The offense was unbelievably good but that defense was definitely not. I would've loved a chance to play them with a healthy Fields/Dobbins that year.

 

[duckboy33]

I don't blame the SEC honestly. Unless ESPN is going to pay them more for the extra conference game, keep scheduling FCS state.

 

[osubuckeye89]

They only have a national title ceiling because at one time they each had really good coaching staffs (or in LSU's case, got extremely lucky for one season that they had Joe Brady). That said, without Urban Meyer, Florida is going on 3 decades without a title and is most likely a mediocre team this century outside of a few 10-3 type years. LSU largely has been mediocre-above average for the past 15 years aside from the Burrow year and 2013. Thing is, with the recruiting advantages these schools have, not to mention the complete and total lack of interest the NCAA has in actually investigating anything that happens there, they should never have mediocrity. The reality is, though, they only have a national title ceiling when they have elite coaching, which goes for every team.

To go back to this, Florida has largely been a mess since Urban left.

I think people forget that Florida was in no way a historic blue blood before Steve Spurrier got there in 1990, they were mostly a middling average-below average program. They reverted back to being incredibly average under Ron Zook before Urban came in. Now they've once again reverted back to average (and downright bad at times)

It's possible that Florida having 2 generational coaches almost back to back in the 90s/2000s blinds us from what their actual long term sustainability is.