Conference teams that played 10 P5 opponents in 2022...

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Saying Fickell "hit the lottery" is very ignorant. That doesn't just happen by luck, he's just a very good coach. Also SOS in 2021 is irrelevant when it's made up in recruiting and the portal, two things that will be stepped up considerably for Fickell at Wisconsin.

Also michigan recruits so much better than Wisconsin but has had much worse coaching, hence why Wisconsin has been so much better in the CFP era overall. Not a very good comparison.

Without a doubt it is hitting the lottery -- How many kids get to college and grow 3-4 inches, add 50 lbs and go from average/below average speed (4.6 in high school) to elite speed 4.3/4.4) in college? And yes -- you can talk about his counterpart, but it was Gardner who made Cincy's defense what it was. If ANY fan of a college team should realize this -- i'd think it would be an OSU fan. Take a look at OSU's defense the last couple years when they haven't had a CB to lockdown half the field, like they had all the years prior with Ward, Okudah, Lattimore, etc. etc.

And Michigan had a stretch where we had brutal coaching -- you won't hear me argue with that. We also had a few years with Harbaugh where he wanted to go a 5 wide spread it out offense. We don't live in an area where we can fill our team with elite WR's and play that kind of offense. Another team that doesn't is...........Wisconsin. UM went to their strength, which is bringing in OL and RB's, switched back to a more pro style type offense and we've never been better than we have the last two years.

Let me ask you this. You think Wisconsin going to the air raid, that they will be able to get in a track meet with the teams like your own and have a shot in hell? No chance. It makes no sense at all for a team located in state where they can produce great offensive linemen and next to no skill position talent, to switch to an air raid offense.

Personally -- I think it is a huge mistake by Wisconsin and I think it will fail miserably. It reminds of when Michigan brought in Rich Rod. Wisconsin fans are going to lose their mind when they end up playing games that look like a basketball score, because Wisconsin will not have an elite defense with the offense they are trying to use.

 

[osubuckeye89]

IIRC, Herbs and Jimbo didn’t leave UF and FSU in very good shape respectively. Herbs left Day a lot better program. About 180 opposite of what he left UF. (Looks like Patterson left Dykes a program in good shape too.)

It’s probably very good for us that Urban was kind of forced out when he was. Before he got a chance to leave a mess.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

It’s probably very good for us that Urban was kind of forced out when he was. Before he got a chance to leave a mess.

I'm glad Urban was forced out too. I hope Ryan Day is given a nice long extension.

 

[Across The Field]

Mullen did pretty good at UF. It was probably an overreaction to fire him based on results, but the fans definitely wanted him out. Top 10 finishes in 2018 and 2019 and top 15 in 2020.

As far as it relates to Urban, I do think the uncertainty with him didn't help things. They had a bad class after he left in 2010(as it relates to UF at the time) and that was right around when Bama, FSU and Clemson started to take a ton of high level players in Florida. The 2011 and 2012 rosters weren't very good on the offensive side of the ball, although they did have a lot of talent on defense. But, maybe given the HC and DC(Dan Quinn), they focused more on that side, and obviously had an elite DC at the time. Needless to say Muschamp's hires at OC in hindsight were pretty terrible, and that might be why the offense struggled, but the talent was also lacking a little on that side of the ball. I have no doubt with Urban and whoever at OC, they likely perform better though. But even then they lacked what they had on the roster between like 2006-2009.

You're definitely right about the emergence of FSU/Clemson/Bama, that made is extremely tough. Mullen was fine, but he didn't even have a single top 10 win in 2019/2020 and still lost to top teams he faced. They did have a shift from Urban's offensive focus (yet still strong defense) to mainly focusing on defense while not paying attention to offense as much, but again, that's not Urban's fault. If they had gone a few years of subpar play but then came back to being an annual contender maybe there would be a point to be made, but they've yet to truly get back to national prominence. They haven't even made a playoff yet, or win the SEC. That's on the program.

 

[Across The Field]

Without a doubt it is hitting the lottery -- How many kids get to college and grow 3-4 inches, add 50 lbs and go from average/below average speed (4.6 in high school) to elite speed 4.3/4.4) in college? And yes -- you can talk about his counterpart, but it was Gardner who made Cincy's defense what it was. If ANY fan of a college team should realize this -- i'd think it would be an OSU fan. Take a look at OSU's defense the last couple years when they haven't had a CB to lockdown half the field, like they had all the years prior with Ward, Okudah, Lattimore, etc. etc.

And Michigan had a stretch where we had brutal coaching -- you won't hear me argue with that. We also had a few years with Harbaugh where he wanted to go a 5 wide spread it out offense. We don't live in an area where we can fill our team with elite WR's and play that kind of offense. Another team that doesn't is...........Wisconsin. UM went to their strength, which is bringing in OL and RB's, switched back to a more pro style type offense and we've never been better than we have the last two years.

Let me ask you this. You think Wisconsin going to the air raid, that they will be able to get in a track meet with the teams like your own and have a shot in hell? No chance. It makes no sense at all for a team located in state where they can produce great offensive linemen and next to no skill position talent, to switch to an air raid offense.

Personally -- I think it is a huge mistake by Wisconsin and I think it will fail miserably. It reminds of when Michigan brought in Rich Rod. Wisconsin fans are going to lose their mind when they end up playing games that look like a basketball score, because Wisconsin will not have an elite defense with the offense they are trying to use.

You're talking about one kid out of many he put in the NFL during his time at Cincy though. Also it would've been really weird to see Lattimore, Okudah, Ward, etc. lock down the field and then have Damon Arnette win the Thorpe.

I don't think Wisconsin should go to the air raid and never said anything like that. They need to find and develop true playmakers at the QB spot but that isn't the same. My issue with them for the last 15 years is they've had championship level defenses and rushing attacks, but they fell short every time because they didn't have the QB talent outside of one year from Russell Wilson. They have shown they can have those elite defenses, offensive lines, and rushing attacks. If Fickell can find and develop a QB, they're going to be a playoff contender IMO.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

In Fickel we trust. If he can get a CFP team at Cincinnati, he can certainly do it at Wisconsin.

Cincy was the least impressive of the top G5 teams since 2000. They never got that signature win like Utah/Boise State/TCU/UCF.

His record at Wisky will be a lot closer to what his record at OSU was than his record at Cincy

 

[Across The Field]

Cincy was the least impressive of the top G5 teams since 2000. They never got that signature win like Utah/Boise State/TCU/UCF.

His record at Wisky will be a lot closer to what his record at OSU was than his record at Cincy

UCF beat a 10-3 Auburn team. TCU beat #5 Wisconsin by 2. Boise State needed two miraculous trick plays to beat 11-2, #7 Oklahoma. Utah beat #19 Pitt who was only in a BCS game because someone from the Big East had to go.

None of those G5 teams were beating that 2021 Bama team, and neither were the P5 teams that they beat in those bowls. If 2021 Cincy got to face someone like ND or Baylor, there's a good chance they beat either of them, and they were both well inside the top 10.

 

[Kburjr]

UCF beat a 10-3 Auburn team. TCU beat #5 Wisconsin by 2. Boise State needed two miraculous trick plays to beat 11-2, #7 Oklahoma. Utah beat #19 Pitt who was only in a BCS game because someone from the Big East had to go.

None of those G5 teams were beating that 2021 Bama team, and neither were the P5 teams that they beat in those bowls. If 2021 Cincy got to face someone like ND or Baylor, there's a good chance they beat either of them, and they were both well inside the top 10.

I think 2021 Cincinnati did in fact beat Notre Dame.

 

[Across The Field]

I think 2021 Cincinnati did in fact beat Notre Dame.

Shit you're right, by two scores in the regular season. I would say that counts as a signature win.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

UCF beat a 10-3 Auburn team. TCU beat #5 Wisconsin by 2. Boise State needed two miraculous trick plays to beat 11-2, #7 Oklahoma. Utah beat #19 Pitt who was only in a BCS game because someone from the Big East had to go.

None of those G5 teams were beating that 2021 Bama team, and neither were the P5 teams that they beat in those bowls. If 2021 Cincy got to face someone like ND or Baylor, there's a good chance they beat either of them, and they were both well inside the top 10.

I’d say Utah beating Bama in 08 was their signature win. I’d honestly forgot about their undefeated season under Meyer. Their 08 team was legitimately a top 5 team though.

 

[Across The Field]

I’d say Utah beating Bama in 08 was their signature win. I’d honestly forgot about their undefeated season under Meyer. Their 08 team was legitimately a top 5 team though.

I thought that was the year Bama didn't want to be there?

Utah was a legit top 5 team that year, no doubt. Cincinnati beat 11-2 ND in the regular season in 2021, so how is that not a signature win? ND also couldn't say "we didn't want to be there" like Bama fans said in 08.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

I thought that was the year Bama didn't want to be there?

Utah was a legit top 5 team that year, no doubt. Cincinnati beat 11-2 ND in the regular season in 2021, so how is that not a signature win? ND also couldn't say "we didn't want to be there" like Bama fans said in 08.

I think 2013 was the WE didn’t want to be there game with Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl. Bama hadn’t done shit since the early 90’s in 2008 and had a lot to prove.

Nobody loses to Notre Dame anymore. This isn’t 1988.

Maybe I’m a bit jaded towards Cincy because a lot of their fans coming out of the woodwork in 2009 saying they should go to the NCG instead of Texas or Alabama, and then they all disappeared when Tebow hung 51 on em in his last college game. They were flat out obnoxious

 

[Across The Field]

I think 2013 was the WE didn’t want to be there game with Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl. Bama hadn’t done shit since the early 90’s in 2008 and had a lot to prove.

Nobody loses to Notre Dame anymore. This isn’t 1988.

Maybe I’m a bit jaded towards Cincy because a lot of their fans coming out of the woodwork in 2009 saying they should go to the NCG instead of Texas or Alabama, and then they all disappeared when Tebow hung 51 on em in his last college game. They were flat out obnoxious

I remember this season. They all proudly announced that they were the new Ohio football powerhouse. Then I LOL'd at them getting throttled by Florida.

Also, I wouldn't knock ND as a UGA fan. They gave you guys all you could handle in 2017 and 2019 when you were top 5 both of those seasons. Pretty sure you won those two games by a TD combined. They're still a step or two below the top level of elite programs but they've had some solid wins in recent years.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

I remember this season. They all proudly announced that they were the new Ohio football powerhouse. Then I LOL'd at them getting throttled by Florida.

Also, I wouldn't knock ND as a UGA fan. They gave you guys all you could handle in 2017 and 2019 when you were top 5 both of those seasons. Pretty sure you won those two games by a TD combined. They're still a step or two below the top level of elite programs but they've had some solid wins in recent years.

Meh. 2017 was Fromm’s first start and it was on the road. 2019 ND scored some garbage time points to make it close, and UGA had a pitiful offense that season and still beat em. Winning close games isn’t losing. Losing to ND these days is an embarrassing loss for any decent program

 

[osubuckeye89]

UCF beat a 10-3 Auburn team. TCU beat #5 Wisconsin by 2. Boise State needed two miraculous trick plays to beat 11-2, #7 Oklahoma. Utah beat #19 Pitt who was only in a BCS game because someone from the Big East had to go.

None of those G5 teams were beating that 2021 Bama team, and neither were the P5 teams that they beat in those bowls. If 2021 Cincy got to face someone like ND or Baylor, there's a good chance they beat either of them, and they were both well inside the top 10.

That Boise State win over Oklahoma is probably one of the most over romanticized things ever in college football. Oklahoma was a pretty meh 11-2 team and yea they needed some extreme fuckery to eek out a barely win.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I remember this season. They all proudly announced that they were the new Ohio football powerhouse. Then I LOL'd at them getting throttled by Florida.

Also, I wouldn't knock ND as a UGA fan. They gave you guys all you could handle in 2017 and 2019 when you were top 5 both of those seasons. Pretty sure you won those two games by a TD combined. They're still a step or two below the top level of elite programs but they've had some solid wins in recent years.

"OHIOS BCS"

 

[Across The Field]

Meh. 2017 was Fromm’s first start and it was on the road. 2019 ND scored some garbage time points to make it close, and UGA had a pitiful offense that season and still beat em. Winning close games isn’t losing. Losing to ND these days is an embarrassing loss for any decent program

I mean, 2017 ND was led by the powerfully mediocre Brandon Wimbush who would eventually lose his job and transfer, and UGA needed a FG in the final minutes to win. In 2019 ND did score a late TD but that was a 3-point game going into the 4th quarter so it was still close for the majority of the game. I know winning close games isn't losing, but winning by 1 point is as close to losing as it gets.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

I mean, 2017 ND was led by the powerfully mediocre Brandon Wimbush who would eventually lose his job and transfer, and UGA needed a FG in the final minutes to win. In 2019 ND did score a late TD but that was a 3-point game going into the 4th quarter so it was still close for the majority of the game. I know winning close games isn't losing, but winning by 1 point is as close to losing as it gets.

Win by 100, or win by 1, it still counts the same. First real game of the season in 2017 with a true freshman QB making his first start, and there were no championship aspirations at that time. That game kicked off what wound up being a pretty cool season despite how it ended.

We didn’t blow anyone out in 2019. Fromm regressed, we had no receivers and James Colee was an all time terrible OV hire and we still won, and it wasn’t nearly as close as the score would indicate, and that same UGA team also lost at home to a terrible SCar team that year. UGA wasn’t that good, but still beat ND

Nobody loses to ND anymore

 

[osubuckeye89]

Win by 100, or win by 1, it still counts the same. First real game of the season in 2017 with a true freshman QB making his first start, and there were no championship aspirations at that time. That game kicked off what wound up being a pretty cool season despite how it ended.

We didn’t blow anyone out in 2019. Fromm regressed, we had no receivers and James Colee was an all time terrible OV hire and we still won, and it wasn’t nearly as close as the score would indicate, and that same UGA team also lost at home to a terrible SCar team that year. UGA wasn’t that good, but still beat ND

Nobody loses to ND anymore

I can't even remember the last time ND won a "big" game when something was seriously on the line.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

I can't even remember the last time ND won a "big" game when something was seriously on the line.

Probably Clemson in the Covid year, but Lawrence was out that game, and they made DJU look like a decent QB that game too