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No one has had unrestricted free agency.

Outright paying of players is what they are suggesting.
Please explain to me how there was restricted free agency in the NFL prior to 1994 and how MLB doesn't have unrestricted free agency. Are there contracts? Yes. Does that mean there isn't a chance to get out of a contract and test the market? No
 
Please explain to me how there was restricted free agency in the NFL prior to 1994 and how MLB doesn't have unrestricted free agency. Are there contracts? Yes. Does that mean there isn't a chance to get out of a contract and test the market? No
In the NFL or MLB if you were playing for the Cowboys or Yankees and under contract then you couldn't just say I don't want to play here anymore and negotiate with another team. The teams had/have rights to you while under contract and you could negotiate your way out of a contract but a team could refuse that offer. You could still leave but you couldn't play for another team as long as that contract stayed in place.

It worked that way with the draft for example Bo Jackson was drafted by the TB in 1985 and he did not want to play there so he signed with KC to play baseball. He waited a year and his name when back into the draft, and the Raiders took him in the 7th hoping they could sign him and it worked, however the Raiders could not have signed him before they drafted him because TB owned the rights so they would have had to trade with them.

Those are restrictions by definition. Contracts require certain actions and if those are not met then you are in breach and there are consequences so to argue otherwise is a waste of time.
 
In the NFL or MLB if you were playing for the Cowboys or Yankees and under contract then you couldn't just say I don't want to play here anymore and negotiate with another team. The teams had/have rights to you while under contract and you could negotiate your way out of a contract but a team could refuse that offer. You could still leave but you couldn't play for another team as long as that contract stayed in place.
That's not free agency, that's playing without a contract.
It worked that way with the draft for example Bo Jackson was drafted by the TB in 1985 and he did not want to play there so he signed with KC to play baseball. He waited a year and his name when back into the draft, and the Raiders took him in the 7th hoping they could sign him and it worked, however the Raiders could not have signed him before they drafted him because TB owned the rights so they would have had to trade with them.
That isn't free agency either. By entering the draft Bo had agreed to the draft rules. He told TB that he wouldn't sign with them because of the crap they put him through to sabotage his baseball career. TB drafted him anyways which means he was under a de facto contract with that team for the year preventing him from going where he wanted. However the moment the 1987 draft kicked off he was no longer under that contract which is how the Raiders got him. Everyone thought Bo wouldn't come back to football but he was worth a 7th round gamble, that paid off once the baseball season and strike was over.
Those are restrictions by definition. Contracts require certain actions and if those are not met then you are in breach and there are consequences so to argue otherwise is a waste of time.
Yes, you are right about contracts. But you are missing what free agency is. Free Agency isn't "you can do whatever you want at any time". It's "both parties abide by the contract and when the contract is up you can do what you want".
 
That's not free agency, that's playing without a contract.

That isn't free agency either. By entering the draft Bo had agreed to the draft rules. He told TB that he wouldn't sign with them because of the crap they put him through to sabotage his baseball career. TB drafted him anyways which means he was under a de facto contract with that team for the year preventing him from going where he wanted. However the moment the 1987 draft kicked off he was no longer under that contract which is how the Raiders got him. Everyone thought Bo wouldn't come back to football but he was worth a 7th round gamble, that paid off once the baseball season and strike was over.

Yes, you are right about contracts. But you are missing what free agency is. Free Agency isn't "you can do whatever you want at any time". It's "both parties abide by the contract and when the contract is up you can do what you want".
I’m not interested in a semantics discussion. So let’s agree that transferring needs to be restricted more than it is now or it will continue to be an issue regarding highest bidder.

I don’t really care what we call it but what is hurting CFB and CBB more than anything are guys putting themselves on an auction block and selling themselves as a commodity.

On the flip side schools need to have more accountability to the players as well and someone like Sanders can’t come in a shove 80% of a team on the street as that isn’t right either.

Medical care needs to be in the equation also.
 
I’m not interested in a semantics discussion. So let’s agree that transferring needs to be restricted more than it is now or it will continue to be an issue regarding highest bidder.

I don’t really care what we call it but what is hurting CFB and CBB more than anything are guys putting themselves on an auction block and selling themselves as a commodity.

On the flip side schools need to have more accountability to the players as well and someone like Sanders can’t come in a shove 80% of a team on the street as that isn’t right either.

Medical care needs to be in the equation also.
I agree that there needs to be contracts for collegiate athletes, which we don't have now. NIL was a step in the right direction but rules will need to keep being adjusted so the system gets better.
 
I agree that there needs to be contracts for collegiate athletes, which we don't have now. NIL was a step in the right direction but rules will need to keep being adjusted so the system gets better.
If the NCAA is recommending paying the players that is a good sign progress is being made. They wouldn’t have release that statement without the P5 commissioners giving input.
 
If the NCAA is recommending paying the players that is a good sign progress is being made. They wouldn’t have release that statement without the P5 commissioners giving input.
eh, I'll believe it when I see it. Far too many times I've seen this type of "we are investigating this idea" releases just to buy themselves more time. And 10 years from now we will still be discussing this because NCAA has no interest in changing their cash cow system until forced to do so. NIL forced them to take steps but look how long and how many lawsuits that took to happen.
 
In the NFL or MLB if you were playing for the Cowboys or Yankees and under contract then you couldn't just say I don't want to play here anymore and negotiate with another team. The teams had/have rights to you while under contract and you could negotiate your way out of a contract but a team could refuse that offer. You could still leave but you couldn't play for another team as long as that contract stayed in place.

It worked that way with the draft for example Bo Jackson was drafted by the TB in 1985 and he did not want to play there so he signed with KC to play baseball. He waited a year and his name when back into the draft, and the Raiders took him in the 7th hoping they could sign him and it worked, however the Raiders could not have signed him before they drafted him because TB owned the rights so they would have had to trade with them.

Those are restrictions by definition. Contracts require certain actions and if those are not met then you are in breach and there are consequences so to argue otherwise is a waste of time.
The CBA will take care if this. An "agreement" means both sides give some. The players will have to give up unfettered freedom to move, but teams will have to agree to keep them even if they don't pan out. It will cut both ways. I do agree it's the NIL + transfer that hurts. That said, we just got the one transfer rule and that will likely do what is needed at some level.
 
If you solve the unrestricted free agency then NIL will fix itself.

Basically these guys need to be paid and put under contract with certain conditions where they can transfer for example:

1. Coach gets fired
2. Family medical issue
3. School agrees to transfer
4. Transfer to lower division

Players could make as much as they want outside for NIL but actual business decisions will be made on that front and not this bastardization of school collectives just flat out negotiating with each player.

A 5 star at our local high school is going to Tennessee next year and when asked why he will flat out tell you they offered him the most money.

We are kidding ourselves by not just making these kids employees with contracts.
Hmmmm. If only someone had been saying this for decades. I seem to recall NO ONE ELSE having this stance. Hmmm
 
The CBA will take care if this. An "agreement" means both sides give some. The players will have to give up unfettered freedom to move, but teams will have to agree to keep them even if they don't pan out. It will cut both ways. I do agree it's the NIL + transfer that hurts. That said, we just got the one transfer rule and that will likely do what is needed at some level.
I addressed both sides in post #64 (I agree both sides should adhere to a contract) and added that the schools also owe some type of medical care responsibility for the players as well. I'm not saying they owe the players medical coverage for life or anything close to that but reasonable policies do need to be put into place so that players don't have to worry about injuries incurred while playing after they graduate.
 
I addressed both sides in post #64 (I agree both sides should adhere to a contract) and added that the schools also owe some type of medical care responsibility for the players as well. I'm not saying they owe the players medical coverage for life or anything close to that but reasonable policies do need to be put into place so that players don't have to worry about injuries incurred while playing after they graduate.
The healthcare has always been an easy issue. It’s easy to calculate the cost, they have enough money, offering 10 years or something like that of healthcare would be easy. It’s kind of amazing they’ve not done that before. Then again, the TV money has just gotten ridiculous in the last couple years.
 
Multi-year contracts would kill the portal abusers.
It’ll be interesting to see how they do that, as a player gets there and finds out that they recruited over, or they’re not getting any playing time they’re gonna wanna leave. The problem is they can’t have it both ways where you have the unfettered capability to leave, but also want to get paid as if you have an obligation.

People smarter than us will come up with a solution for that. Honestly, I think the one time transfer won’t be bad. We can look later after the transfer portal closes, but my guess is it still a very small percentage of players to go into the portal that teams really care about. For example we’re gonna lose 10 to 15 but I can’t imagine we will really care about more than one or two.
 
The healthcare has always been an easy issue. It’s easy to calculate the cost, they have enough money, offering 10 years or something like that of healthcare would be easy. It’s kind of amazing they’ve not done that before. Then again, the TV money has just gotten ridiculous in the last couple years.
The schools have a good deal they can put on the table:
- Education
- Board
- Cash
- Medical
- Freedom to make any outside NIL deal they want

What they don't need to do is offer profit sharing as that is a ridiculous ask on behalf of the players and why I think you almost have to make them employees because then you can put them under contract, withhold taxes (which honestly would be best for them because at some point a lot of these kids are going to get in trouble not filing correctly), give them medical and under certain conditions can still transfer.

Its a no-brainer to me.
 
Here, the point of writing ‘profit sharing’ is that the players of Kmart money comes from the profits of the sport in SOME capacity, not that it is a strict “percentage of profit scheme.” That’s made clear in the text.
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It’ll be interesting to see how they do that, as a player gets there and finds out that they recruited over, or they’re not getting any playing time they’re gonna wanna leave. The problem is they can’t have it both ways where you have the unfettered capability to leave, but also want to get paid as if you have an obligation.

People smarter than us will come up with a solution for that. Honestly, I think the one time transfer won’t be bad. We can look later after the transfer portal closes, but my guess is it still a very small percentage of players to go into the portal that teams really care about. For example we’re gonna lose 10 to 15 but I can’t imagine we will really care about more than one or two.

That's life. You make a decision and it doesn't work out. Be careful who you sign with.

1 time transfer max imo.
 
That's life. You make a decision and it doesn't work out. Be careful who you sign with.

1 time transfer max imo.
Sure, I agree. I suppose that the team and player could agree to have them transfer. For example, UGA will lose 10-15, and so far of the 7 that are in, we wouldn't want to keep any of them from going. We would have to keep Vandergriif, but can't guarantee PT. And Nyland Green was a former 5 star, but he's been passed by other 5* and 4*. Often the team wants them to leave ... so I guess they could agree, but you couldn't let the team push them out if they don't want to go. That's where it gets nuanced.
 
Sure, I agree. I suppose that the team and player could agree to have them transfer. For example, UGA will lose 10-15, and so far of the 7 that are in, we wouldn't want to keep any of them from going. We would have to keep Vandergriif, but can't guarantee PT. And Nyland Green was a former 5 star, but he's been passed by other 5* and 4*. Often the team wants them to leave ... so I guess they could agree, but you couldn't let the team push them out if they don't want to go. That's where it gets nuanced.

I'm fine with this situation with a team releasing them but I could also see where a player would try to force out?

slippery slope there. would have to be some kind of conduct clause or something.
 
End of the day qbs being hired guns gets a little ridiculous. The idea was to give them a share not create single year free agency.

Someone like Cam Ward moving from Immaculate Word is totally understandable...and even moving from Wazzu to OSU or whoever given the situation is also understandable

Dillon Gabriel leaving Oklahoma is not.
 
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