Don't stick a fork in the ACC yet...

i actually like the UNC talk.. even if it took UVA.. i know that does not increase the payouts but it boosts basketball, baseball in this conference..
I want status quo. But if they expand, take UNC, NCSU, Duke, and UVa. I'd be in heaven. My brother went to UVa, so I'd hold that over him for the rest of my life. Then I'd have 3 SEC stadiums within 20 minutes of my house, one 10 minutes away. I'd be at an SEC game every weekend. But that's me being selfish.
 
I don't see anything that contradicts what I said. You really think he means "teams that we can all beat" when he's talking about competitive rationale?

To me he's clearly saying
1) If you make us more money (financial projections)
2) You make the conference stronger (competitive rationale, here's how it makes us all better)

I really don't see "competitive rationale" as him saying that we need more teams that are beatable. Especially after just referencing adding Texas, OU, A&M, etc.
Like I said, you are seeing what you want to see. By ignoring the 9th game mutiny - and that is what it was - you are not seeing the nuance in his statement. Especailly from the UF President ... he will vote against FSU all day long until and if they get 2/3 then he would vote for it to make it unanimous. You think the ATM president voted for Texas in all votes other than the last one?

And, it doesn't make them all better ... 2/3rds are worse off from a competitive perspective.
 
It's exactly the same argument. Most teams in the SEC are glad to get a bowl game. Add a 9th game and bring in FSU and Clemson and many of those teams stop getting to bowl games. All of them are now 2 more teams down the pecking order with little chance at the CFP. Adding those teams means you get one of them every other year. That's an extra loss per year for most of the teams. Add the 9th game and now they get 2 more losses in most years.

It's not a guaranteed "extra" loss per year because the games are replacing other games. These teams are already playing 8 SEC games. That won't change. Sure some years you might get FSU instead of Vanderbilt. Other years you might get Clemson instead of Georgia.

9 conferences games is a different argument. That's adding conferences and guaranteeing more losses for the conference as a whole.
 
Like I said, you are seeing what you want to see. By ignoring the 9th game mutiny - and that is what it was - you are not seeing the nuance in his statement. Especailly from the UF President ... he will vote against FSU all day long until and if they get 2/3 then he would vote for it to make it unanimous. You think the ATM president voted for Texas in all votes other than the last one?

And, it doesn't make them all better ... 2/3rds are worse off from a competitive perspective.

You may be right about UF not wanting FSU. I'm sure Aggy was the same way with Texas. How did that end? With Texas being unanimously approved by all the SEC members. Why? Because it made them more money. That's the issue. It's always been the issue.

Texas and OU also made 2/3 of the league worse off from a competitive perspective if I were to use your logic. They were still unanimously approved. Again, the real question is whether FSU and Clemson have enough juice to increase the SEC payouts. It's never been about Mississippi State's CFP aspirations.
 
what if you brought UNC and UVA?
Sure, from a competitive standpoint, they would be ideal. Mostly Ls in football, competitive in other sports. Great locations for games, etc. Their fanbase blows for football, but maybe they can learn a few things from their masters.
 
You may be right about UF not wanting FSU. I'm sure Aggy was the same way with Texas. How did that end? With Texas being unanimously approved by all the SEC members. Why? Because it made them more money. That's the issue. It's always been the issue.

Texas and OU also made 2/3 of the league worse off from a competitive perspective if I were to use your logic. They were still unanimously approved. Again, the real question is whether FSU and Clemson have enough juice to increase the SEC payouts. It's never been about Mississippi State's CFP aspirations.
Look, I am done after this. Yes, it has always been about money. But I've already told you - those teams don't bring additive money. Even if they did, unless it was a ton like OU and UT, at some point the money doesn't matter. How can that not make sense to you. At some point the lower 2/3 tiers have to draw a line and say, no. No, we don't want to bring in all good schools so we start going 6-6 instead of 7-5 and 8-4. I don't know how to tell this to you better, but the 9th game mutiny shocked Sankey and everyone else. That wasn't not about money ... it was about not wanting another loss which the 9th game guaranteed as losses are zero sum - one more IC game guarantees 8 more losses and you know who will get those.
 
Genetics blocked me on Twitter because I kept responding ... "this guy is just making this shit up. A lot of us have been saying the same thing on sports boards for years. He has no inside knowledge. No one is telling some random dude on X inside info. Top sports writers, sure. Rando on X, nah." Then he blocked me.

The funny thing is to watch all the Clemson and FSU goobers hanging on his every word. Now, don't get me wrong, both schools could end up in the B1G and he would be "right" - but that would just be an educated guess.
Right, it's funny how his followers ask him questions about what he's hearing through his "contacts" and then he'll respond like he is in the know.
 
Oregon is still AAU. Now the B1G has said that's not a requirement but given the options that's available to the B1G I don't ever see Clemson being an option. And Clemson is a damn good academic school.

I've said this to a few people on the Twitter and believe it. Clemson needs to hope the SEC wants them or they are stuck.

And to cover bases, Nebraska lost AAU for something like their med school wasn't on campus. FSU is inches away from being an AAU member and schools like UNC, UVA and Miami are already members.
Fair enough
 
Oregon is still AAU. Now the B1G has said that's not a requirement but given the options that's available to the B1G I don't ever see Clemson being an option. And Clemson is a damn good academic school.

I've said this to a few people on the Twitter and believe it. Clemson needs to hope the SEC wants them or they are stuck.

And to cover bases, Nebraska lost AAU for something like their med school wasn't on campus. FSU is inches away from being an AAU member and schools like UNC, UVA and Miami are already members.
I read somewhere recently that Nebraska is under a lot of pressure by other B1G schools to regain AAU. If true it means without it, FSU isnt going to be invited. I read the recommendations FSU was given to satisfy the AAU schools and it didn't read like something that was a quick fix. Would take a little time which is why if they get AAU (and it is by invite only, not to some threshold they reach and they're automatically in) it will be a couple years down the road.
 
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The More I think on it Jeff, the more I don't think the ACC implodes. I do think FSU will leave, but who their partner is is anyone's guess.
I don't see implosion either, but it's clear FSU will leave. We're going to see ACC and Big12 be about the same level in power. I don't think there would be enough power players left to either conference to reach SEC and B1G level play, except Clemson if they don't drop down in performance.
 
Fair enough
And honestly I hope you guys don't for selfish reasons. I still harbor hope if a few ACC schools bounce that we can get invited to take a place. (Provided the situation is safe) Honestly though you guys will probably get that SEC invite.
 
Look, I am done after this. Yes, it has always been about money. But I've already told you - those teams don't bring additive money. Even if they did, unless it was a ton like OU and UT, at some point the money doesn't matter. How can that not make sense to you. At some point the lower 2/3 tiers have to draw a line and say, no. No, we don't want to bring in all good schools so we start going 6-6 instead of 7-5 and 8-4. I don't know how to tell this to you better, but the 9th game mutiny shocked Sankey and everyone else. That wasn't not about money ... it was about not wanting another loss which the 9th game guaranteed as losses are zero sum - one more IC game guarantees 8 more losses and you know who will get those.

We are in agreement about the 9th conference game. I think it's smart of the SEC and I think it makes sense to see how the committee handles SOS moving forward. If the committee starts putting 10-2 ACC/Big 12 teams with weak schedules in the CFP over 9-3 or even 8-4 SEC teams that play a schedule like Florida's this year, I think we will see radical changes to the CFP.

We can agree to disagree about the other point. It's likely a moot point anyways because I think it's more likely that those two end up in the Big Ten at this point.
 
I read somewhere recently that Nebraska is under a lot of pressure by other B1G schools to regain AAU. If true it means without it, FSU isnt going to be invited. I read the recommendations FSU was given to satisfy the AAU schools and it didn't read like something that was a quick fix. Would take a little time which is why if they get AAU (and it is by invite only, not to some threshold they reach and they're automatically in) it will be a couple years down the road.
I did not hear this but honestly not surprised. The B1G has always prided themselves on being a conference with all AAU schools. Only ND likely is the one they'd add no problem that isn't in it.
 
I read somewhere recently that Nebraska is under a lot of pressure by other B1G schools to regain AAU. If true it means without it, FSU isnt going to be invited. I read the recommendations FSU was given to satisfy the AAU schools and it didn't read like something that was a quick fix. Would take a little time which is why if they get AAU (and it is by invite only, not to some threshold they reach and they're automatically in) it will be a couple years down the road.
Nebraska only lost their AAU accreditation because the AAU changed the criteria of how your research dollars were spent and didn't count agriculture research into their metrics. In my opinion that is complete BS and Nebraska along with many agricultural schools should absolutely not bow down to that opinion and continue to do the significant, vital and groundbreaking research into agriculture.

The people that made this decision should be banned from eating any food that they didn't grow or raise themselves because this was a slap in the American Farmer's face.
 
Nebraska only lost their AAU accreditation because the AAU changed the criteria of how your research dollars were spent and didn't count agriculture research into their metrics. In my opinion that is complete BS and Nebraska along with many agricultural schools should absolutely not bow down to that opinion and continue to do the significant, vital and groundbreaking research into agriculture.

The people that made this decision should be banned from eating any food that they didn't grow or raise themselves because this was a slap in the American Farmer's face.
for Nebraska it came down to a vote..it's arch enemy UT, actually voted for them to keep it.. it's new lords (BiG schools) voted against them keeping it lol
 
I read somewhere recently that Nebraska is under a lot of pressure by other B1G schools to regain AAU. If true it means without it, FSU isnt going to be invited. I read the recommendations FSU was given to satisfy the AAU schools and it didn't read like something that was a quick fix. Would take a little time which is why if they get AAU (and it is by invite only, not to some threshold they reach and they're automatically in) it will be a couple years down the road.
FWIW, UGA will be AAU in the not far off future. The only thing holding us back was the medical school angle that knocked Nebraska out. UGA just announced the opening of a medical school in Athens.
 
I don't see implosion either, but it's clear FSU will leave. We're going to see ACC and Big12 be about the same level in power. I don't think there would be enough power players left to either conference to reach SEC and B1G level play, except Clemson if they don't drop down in performance.
If they can afford it, Clemson would be smart to stay in the ACC and be the football king. Get in the CFP every year. I could really see Clemson getting into the B1G or SEC and then suddenly dropping back to pre-Dabo levels.
 
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