ESPN "Red Wedding" today ...

"ESPN launched on September 7, 1979, and is 80 percent owned by ABC, Inc., an indirect subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company. Hearst holds a 20 percent interest."


Straight outta the ESPN pressroom.
 
April 30, 1984ABC completes acquisition of ESPN from Getty. Later, 20% is sold to Nabisco and later to Hearst.


February 9, 1996The Walt Disney Company completes acquisition of Capital Cities/ABC, Inc. (which owns ESPN).
 
it would be dumb as shit for the revenue earned on "ESPN on ABC" to be listed on a separate P&L than revenue earned on just regular ESPN.
 
it would be dumb as shit for the revenue earned on "ESPN on ABC" to be listed on a separate P&L than revenue earned on just regular ESPN.

So Minute Maid and Fanta divisions don't report P&L to parent Coca Cola's accountants separately? Interdasting.

"ABC itself maintains the copyright over many of the ESPN-branded broadcasts, if they are not contractually assigned to the applicable league or organizer, suggesting that ESPN has merely "loaned" usage of its brand name, staff and infrastructure to ABC, rather than having acquired ABC Sports outright."

You can be sure that all of these assets report P&L to parent ESPN's accountants separately, who then report them separately and as a whole to ABC and Hearst accountants, who then report them separately and as a whole to parent Disney's accountants.

ESPN Assets​

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Threads like this can get way off over time. My last post on it:

It started with @Mofo saying: I think that network is just a sinking ship and it's shedding salary in a <probably doomed> attempt to stave off bankruptcy.

I responded: They aren't even close to bankruptcy. Where did you come up with that idea? They have $4 billion in revenues and as part of Disney, they are reported to be profitable. They are obviously in (1) a business that is undergoing a massive change in the way it interfaces with its customer, and (2) have to deal with Disney and all that entails.

Let's break that down:

1. The idea that letting 20 highly paid employees is an attempt to "stave off bankruptcy" is ridiculous. They might have saved $100 million at most. They just signed an $85 million contract with one talent - McAfee. There are tons of reasons that they let these people go, but staving off bankruptcy is not on the list.

We really don't need to go further ... this is obvious on its face, and any additional posts about it were all about goalpost moving.

2. I pointed out the $4 billion in revenue because it is rare for $4 billion companies to suddenly go bankrupt. Equally ridiculous that shedding $100 million for a company with $4 billion in revenues to be read that way. I own and run a multi-million dollar business. The idea that I don't understand the difference between revenue and profit is absurd. I distinguised revenue and profit in my original post on the subject and did so in several follow-up posts.

3. I clearly stated here in my first post, and many times thereafter, "as part of Disney, they are reported to be profitable." I don't work for ESPN. I am not an accountant for ESPN. I don't do corporate analysis about ESPN. But, I can google, and I read a couple of articles that indicated that ESPN was profitable. If you don't agree, I don't care. If you want to do the research that shows me they aren't, go for it. While you are there, find me a single article about ESPN "staving off bankruptcy" because, at the end of the day, that's what this discussion was about.

In 2022 they were split out into its own division - they split Disney into Parks, Entertainment, and ESPN. That will get more visibility into exactly how ESPN performs. In an investor call, their CEO said:

ESPN is a differentiator for this company," CEO Bob Iger said.

"It's the best sports brand in television. It's one of the best sports brands in sports. It continues to create real value for us. It is going through some, obviously, challenging times because of what's happened in linear programming."

"But the brand of ESPN is very healthy, and the programming of ESPN is very healthy. We just have to figure out how to monetize it in a disrupting and a continuing -- or disrupting world. That's it. But we're not engaged in any conversations right now or considering a spin-off of ESPN." Link below.


Does that sound like a company that is about to go bankrupt?

As Iger points out, and I did in my original post, they are obviously going through a major shift in their business - linear to streaming. There are going to be ups and downs, there will be good decisions and bad. People will be let go (like they just did) and they will hire new talent (hiring McAfee to be more attractive to young viewers). None of those things on their own indicate bankruptcy.

Sounds like boilerplate speak from the CEO and someone who doesn't know revenues aren't the same as profit.
 
yeah you are talking about the RSOs that Fox had.... which went up in flames.. Bally's, FSSWs, etc.. That doesn't effect ESPN IIRC. Their deals with MLB, NBA, NHL are for national games or a few extra games on ESPN plus.. They are not into the business of running the local cable affiliates.
Yeah Bally killed themselves, but the writing is still on the wall that these channel subscriptions on cable aren't going up. ESPN+ isn't able to command the same price as ESPN channel on cable. ESPN is certainly trying to set up a standalone streaming service or else they are going to be stuck trying to get streamers to carry them. It's part of why they are spinning off into their own reporting structure.
 
it would be dumb as shit for the revenue earned on "ESPN on ABC" to be listed on a separate P&L than revenue earned on just regular ESPN.
I'd say it would be dumb as shit to split ESPN and non-ESPN revenue from ABC. Instead you would lump ABC under Disney entertainment and streaming, and all the ESPN stuff under ESPN Digital or whatever they are calling that.
 
Yeah Bally killed themselves, but the writing is still on the wall that these channel subscriptions on cable aren't going up. ESPN+ isn't able to command the same price as ESPN channel on cable. ESPN is certainly trying to set up a standalone streaming service or else they are going to be stuck trying to get streamers to carry them. It's part of why they are spinning off into their own reporting structure.

My understanding is ESPN+ is the one hurting the bottom line.

You can be sure ABC and Disney are gonna want to see those P&L's separately.
 
My understanding is ESPN+ is the one hurting the bottom line.

You can be sure ABC and Disney are gonna want to see those P&L's separately.
espn plus isn't hurting..it's disney plus that's hurting... the shows are popular but they are expensive..the whole Marvel thing is.

ESPN/ESPN plus are the real moneymakers..
 
espn plus isn't hurting..it's disney plus that's hurting... the shows are popular but they are expensive..the whole Marvel thing is.

ESPN/ESPN plus are the real moneymakers..
As I have pointed out numerous times in this thread. It's like they don't even read citations that are given to them. ESPN is going through a tough time as they navigate out of the linear model where they were given free money from cable subscribers who didn't watch sports. But there is no question they are doing just fine.

I think what will happen is that they will continue to lose the $10 per month from the people who bought basic cable and didn't want ESPN. But, people like us here will end up paying more than $10 per month for ESPN+ because we want live sports. Candidly, I'd pay a lot for ESPN+ only and then get rid of YouTube TV that I only use for live sports.
 
espn plus isn't hurting..it's disney plus that's hurting... the shows are popular but they are expensive..the whole Marvel thing is.

ESPN/ESPN plus are the real moneymakers..

Yeah, you're right. It was Disney+ that I read about bleeding cash.


ESPN+ is bundled on my HULU and I watched them for the first time last month for NCAA Regional Baseball Tourney games. This is the first year I remember having access to every tournament Regional game.

I have Disney+ bundled on HULU as well, but I've never clicked on it.
 
Yeah, you're right. It was Disney+ that I read about bleeding cash.


ESPN+ is bundled on my HULU and I watched them for the first time last month for NCAA Regional Baseball Tourney games. This is the first year I remember having access to every tournament Regional game.

I have Disney+ bundled on HULU as well, but I've never clicked on it.
yeah so I was paying for ESPN plus when it first was offered at $4.99 a month.. then i was grandfathered into it for an additional year when it went up to $7 a month for new subs..

Originally got it because they were putting a lot of boxing Cards on it.. and they still do
 
As I have pointed out numerous times in this thread. It's like they don't even read citations that are given to them. ESPN is going through a tough time as they navigate out of the linear model where they were given free money from cable subscribers who didn't watch sports. But there is no question they are doing just fine.

I think what will happen is that they will continue to lose the $10 per month from the people who bought basic cable and didn't want ESPN. But, people like us here will end up paying more than $10 per month for ESPN+ because we want live sports. Candidly, I'd pay a lot for ESPN+ only and then get rid of YouTube TV that I only use for live sports.
I heard that ESPN is looking into making it a one stop shop..you can still access them on Cable or Satellite and even the Youtube/HuluTV/Sling bundles..but for the cordcutters, they can just pay for ESPN outright to stream on their devices.. it will be live and also have an OnDemand library.
 
Threads like this can get way off over time. My last post on it:

It started with @Mofo saying: I think that network is just a sinking ship and it's shedding salary in a <probably doomed> attempt to stave off bankruptcy.

I responded: They aren't even close to bankruptcy. Where did you come up with that idea? They have $4 billion in revenues and as part of Disney, they are reported to be profitable. They are obviously in (1) a business that is undergoing a massive change in the way it interfaces with its customer, and (2) have to deal with Disney and all that entails.

Let's break that down:

1. The idea that letting 20 highly paid employees is an attempt to "stave off bankruptcy" is ridiculous. They might have saved $100 million at most. They just signed an $85 million contract with one talent - McAfee. There are tons of reasons that they let these people go, but staving off bankruptcy is not on the list.

We really don't need to go further ... this is obvious on its face, and any additional posts about it were all about goalpost moving.

2. I pointed out the $4 billion in revenue because it is rare for $4 billion companies to suddenly go bankrupt. Equally ridiculous that shedding $100 million for a company with $4 billion in revenues to be read that way. I own and run a multi-million dollar business. The idea that I don't understand the difference between revenue and profit is absurd. I distinguised revenue and profit in my original post on the subject and did so in several follow-up posts.

3. I clearly stated here in my first post, and many times thereafter, "as part of Disney, they are reported to be profitable." I don't work for ESPN. I am not an accountant for ESPN. I don't do corporate analysis about ESPN. But, I can google, and I read a couple of articles that indicated that ESPN was profitable. If you don't agree, I don't care. If you want to do the research that shows me they aren't, go for it. While you are there, find me a single article about ESPN "staving off bankruptcy" because, at the end of the day, that's what this discussion was about.

In 2022 they were split out into its own division - they split Disney into Parks, Entertainment, and ESPN. That will get more visibility into exactly how ESPN performs. In an investor call, their CEO said:

ESPN is a differentiator for this company," CEO Bob Iger said.

"It's the best sports brand in television. It's one of the best sports brands in sports. It continues to create real value for us. It is going through some, obviously, challenging times because of what's happened in linear programming."

"But the brand of ESPN is very healthy, and the programming of ESPN is very healthy. We just have to figure out how to monetize it in a disrupting and a continuing -- or disrupting world. That's it. But we're not engaged in any conversations right now or considering a spin-off of ESPN." Link below.


Does that sound like a company that is about to go bankrupt?

As Iger points out, and I did in my original post, they are obviously going through a major shift in their business - linear to streaming. There are going to be ups and downs, there will be good decisions and bad. People will be let go (like they just did) and they will hire new talent (hiring McAfee to be more attractive to young viewers). None of those things on their own indicate bankruptcy.

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I heard that ESPN is looking into making it a one stop shop..you can still access them on Cable or Satellite and even the Youtube/HuluTV/Sling bundles..but for the cordcutters, they can just pay for ESPN outright to stream on their devices.. it will be live and also have an OnDemand library.
They aren't dumb ... you'll be able to get it all sorts of way, whichever way makes the most sense. How to offer that is the tricky part they don't suddenly cannibalize their revenue from one source or the other.
 
As I have pointed out numerous times in this thread. It's like they don't even read citations that are given to them. ESPN is going through a tough time as they navigate out of the linear model where they were given free money from cable subscribers who didn't watch sports. But there is no question they are doing just fine.

I think what will happen is that they will continue to lose the $10 per month from the people who bought basic cable and didn't want ESPN. But, people like us here will end up paying more than $10 per month for ESPN+ because we want live sports. Candidly, I'd pay a lot for ESPN+ only and then get rid of YouTube TV that I only use for live sports.
It sickens me I get a Comcast Bill for $200+ a month but still need ESPN+ to watch certain Mountaineer games. It’s going to be like that with Peacock too now for LFC games.

But you are right, I’ll still pay it for the live sports.
 
It sickens me I get a Comcast Bill for $200+ a month but still need ESPN+ to watch certain Mountaineer games. It’s going to be like that with Peacock too now for LFC games.

But you are right, I’ll still pay it for the live sports.
i pay close to $300 for my internet/cable through Xfinity.. and I still pay for the Hulu package/netflix/prime too

i really miss verizon fios that i had in VA.. i was paying$220 and got all their premium channels including LHN.. I have to pay extra for Epix (now MGM plus), Showtime.. Starz and HBO are still included in the package I get..however not Cinemax lol
 
i pay close to $300 for my internet/cable through Xfinity.. and I still pay for the Hulu package/netflix/prime too

i really miss verizon fios that i had in VA.. i was paying$220 and got all their premium channels including LHN.. I have to pay extra for Epix (now MGM plus), Showtime.. Starz and HBO are still included in the package I get..however not Cinemax lol
I pay $212 and change for Xfinity and Wi-Fi.

Then add ESPN+, Netflix, Prime, Apple TV and Peacock (Now)

Its a racket a shit but I won’t stop it.
 
It sickens me I get a Comcast Bill for $200+ a month but still need ESPN+ to watch certain Mountaineer games. It’s going to be like that with Peacock too now for LFC games.

But you are right, I’ll still pay it for the live sports.
I havent paid for cable/satellite TV for over 10 years. stream everything.
 
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