How bad would Nebraska have beaten Michigan in 1997?

[Volbound1700]

Then that's bullshit. You said there are 15 Michael Vicks right now, I thought that meant you were saying people that were as fast and as athletic, that's just not true and verified by your list here.

Dual threat QBs, yes, but even still, Nebraska has had 'dual threat' QBs for decades before Vick and Nebraska wasn't the only one. So if you aren't actually comparing them to Vick and just using Vick as a general dual threat definition, then ok, but that is dumb.

Many of them are very comparable to Michael Vick (in fact most of them). Lamar Jackson, Vince Young, Cam Newton, etc.

 

[outofyourmind]

Dual threat QBs, yes, but even still, Nebraska has had 'dual threat' QBs for decades before Vick and Nebraska wasn't the only one.

This guy was pretty good at that.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Many of them are very comparable to Michael Vick (in fact most of them). Lamar Jackson, Vince Young, Cam Newton, etc.

Ok, other than that they extended plays with their legs.... in what way?

Like I said, if you were using 'Vick' as a general term to mean dual threat, fine, whatever.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

This guy was pretty good at that.

Idk, maybe I read his comment wrong initially, but it sounds like to me he thinks dual threat QBs are a new thing (or within the last 20 or so years).... that's just not true.

Dual threat QBs passing has definitely gotten better over the years with the likes of Fields, Wilson, Jackson, Bridgewater, etc... but dual threats have almost always existed.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Omg. The claim you made was telling me what my words mean. That is your claim. Does that help you? Yes, I don't need anyone to acknowledge that they understand, because THAT IS HOW CONVERSATIONS WORK. If you are telling a story to two different people, the first person nods and says nothing and the second person asks a question, WHO DO YOU THINK NEEDS THE CLARIFICATION? You don't clarify things people understand. So again, you are the only one commenting on that specific wording, hence everyone else likely understood.

I am sure it means whatever you want it to ralphie.

YA STATED: "Spare me the schedule bullshit and how VPI (who was in the NC game 2 years prior) is a reason to give Miami shit for it being close."

Then I stated: "What does a Va Tech team from 2 years prior have to do with anything??"

Then you stated: "You are the one to bring them up forgetting they were a top 25 team and Miami held on after an early lead, away. Me bringing up VPI from 2 years prior was to show they weren’t just some flash in the pan, they were a good program and a good team."

To which I responded with: "But that is kind of the point, they were a flash in the pan. Or are you saying an undefeated team is nearly as good as a 4 loss team?"

Then you said: "VPI the program wasn’t a flash in the pan Program. Spare me any more of that argument please."


Tell me, if being ranked is the standard for being a "good" team (and I am not necessarily debating that), and VaTech was ranked..... then why did you feel the need to bring up their flash in the pan National Title run?

Again bro, no one needs to come to my defense, because you don't clarify things that people understand. There is no reason for anyone to come and say 'yeah, I get what you mean' when I never asked if they needed help or clarification.

You are, in fact (at least at the moment), are the ONLY one that doesn't get it. If someone else says they don't get it as well, I will be the first to let you know.

The quote I gave earlier that said BC was on the verge of upsetting Miami prior to the kicked up INT, was from Miami football media themselves btw.

The truly hilarious part in all of this is that you claim 01 Miami to be the GOAT and yet I am able to make arguments to how they are similar to 97 Nebraska in what Miami accomplished. That is probably Nebraskas WORST national title winning team. You think they could compare to 71 or 95 Nebraska

I am not using any of this as a reason to why 97 Nebraska would beat Miami. Idk if they would, I wouldn't be surprised if they did....

01 Miami - #3 offense, #1 defense. Scored 43ppg, allowed 10ppg.

97 Nebraska - #1 offense, #5 defense. Scored 47ppgs, allowed 16ppg.

Both had 2 close road games, one of which was in essence decided by a kicked ball, it's honestly pretty fucking crazy if you ask me.

1. I didn't ignore anything. Again, read the thread. Colorado was talked about, as was UCF, as was Missouri.
2. I never said that Nebraska would beat Miami.

I have explained it too many times. If you can't realize that nor understand from my explanation, then Idk what to tell you. I am not trained in explaining things to children, so Idk how to make you understand.

There is not one fucking person That can logically say what you uttered is 50/50. Jesus fucking Christ dude this isn’t rocket science.

In regards to VPI, so a good program has to make an NC game more then once to Not be a flash in the pan program? What fucking delusion is that. VPI finished ranked in the top 10 6 of 10 years. That is not some flash in the pan program. I brought up their NC appearance to remind you they were a good program that era in case you forgot which it looks more and more like you have.

You had to tag NU and not even he will defend you on that. He just reverts to insults because he can’t answer the question Without agreeing with me on it.

You literally are trying to compare a lucky interception Miami didn’t need to win the game to a lucky kicked bowl reception that Nebraska NEEDED to win. That is not the same thing. I know you know this but are too damn proud to admit it. Both plays were lucky but one team needed it To win.

You stated and I quote, “I doubt Miami wins at all.“ You then want to tell this thread it means 50/50? Come on dude, even you know it doesn’t. Stop acting proud and loyal. Call me a child or whatever all you want, you have your opinion and I have mine. But your statement which you keep denying is absolutely bullshit.

 

[outofyourmind]

1970's

 

[ralphiewvu]

Just off the top of my head without researching, here is my list:

1. Robert Griffin III
2. Tua Togaveula
3. Josh Dobbs
4. Cam Newton
5. DeShawn Watson
6. Jalen Hurd
7. Justin Fields
8. Johnny Manziel
9. Vince Young
10. JaMarcus Russell
11. Russell Wilson
12. Tim Tebow
13. Marcus Mariota
14. Chris Leak
15. Steve Slaton


Granted some where not as fast as Vick but they had the same duel threat potential. It is starting to get where those players are common in CFB teams though.

I think you mean Pat White, Steve Slaton was a running back.

 

[Volbound1700]

Idk, maybe I read his comment wrong initially, but it sounds like to me he thinks dual threat QBs are a new thing (or within the last 20 or so years).... that's just not true.

Dual threat QBs passing has definitely gotten better over the years with the likes of Fields, Wilson, Jackson, Bridgewater, etc... but dual threats have almost always existed.

Not on the level that we have now. Why would records in rushing yards and passing be broken by most of these dual-threat QBs if they didn't have that today.

Back in the 1990s, it was a big deal for a QB to throw for 300 yards and now they thrown for 500 regularly. A QB also rarely got 100 yards passing and rushing. Now they do that regularly.

The key difference that I see week in and week out in most football games the last 10 years ago versus what I saw in the late 90s and early 2000s is the ability of the QBs to avoid pass rushes and make positive plays. Across the game, this is happening far more often.

Nebraska's defense would not hold up (even 1995 Nebraska) in the modern era. As stated, you want to see 1995 Nebraska today, just look at modern-day Wisconsin.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

There is not one fucking person That can logically say what you uttered is 50/50. Jesus fucking Christ dude this isn’t rocket science.

That's my point too, it isn't rocket science and yet you are still the ONLY person struggling with it.

In regards to VPI, so a good program has to make an NC game more then once to Not be a flash in the pan program? What fucking delusion is that. VPI finished ranked in the top 10 6 of 10 years. That is not some flash in the pan program. I brought up their NC appearance to remind you they were a good program that era in case you forgot which it looks more and more like you have.

Can a program that NEVER makes a national title game be considered good?

You had to tag NU and not even he will defend you on that. He just reverts to insults because he can’t answer the question Without agreeing with me on it.

"had" to tag him? Huh? No, I tagged him so that either he could explain it to you or so that you can go argue with him because this is stupid. I don't give a fuck if you approve of how I said something, especially when no one else has mentioned any confusion or anything remotely to what you are saying.

To me, since no one else mentioned any confusion, it tells me that you are the only one that doesn't understand. That sounds like a YOU problem, ralphie.

You literally are trying to compare a lucky interception Miami didn’t need to win the game to a lucky kicked bowl reception that Nebraska NEEDED to win. That is not the same thing. I know you know this but are too damn proud to admit it. Both plays were lucky but one team needed it To win.

The chance was strong that BC was going to score, they marched down the field and got inside the 10 yard line. If it was not for that INT, there is a good chance, Miami loses that game. Even Miami athletics says that.

You stated and I quote, “I doubt Miami wins at all.“ You then want to tell this thread it means 50/50? Come on dude, even you know it doesn’t. Stop acting proud and loyal. Call me a child or whatever all you want, you have your opinion and I have mine. But your statement which you keep denying is absolutely bullshit.

Yes, I doubt that Miami wins at all.... meaning that I can see the other team winning (i.e. Miami not winning). Seriously, what if difficult about this?

Opinions can be wrong, like the one you have about 01 Miami being the GOAT. That one is quite laughable. But you can go right on believing it.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Not on the level that we have now. Why would records in rushing yards and passing be broken by most of these dual-threat QBs if they didn't have that today.

Schemes, tempo, play count...

Back in the 1990s, it was a big deal for a QB to throw for 300 yards and now they thrown for 500 regularly. A QB also rarely got 100 yards passing and rushing. Now they do that regularly.

Lol, not at Nebraska.

The key difference that I see week in and week out in most football games the last 10 years ago versus what I saw in the late 90s and early 2000s is the ability of the QBs to avoid pass rushes and make positive plays. Across the game, this is happening far more often.

Then Idk what to tell you. QBs have been doing that for decades.

Nebraska's defense would not hold up (even 1995 Nebraska) in the modern era. As stated, you want to see 1995 Nebraska today, just look at modern-day Wisconsin.

I said that I want to see 95 Nebraska today? I already have, they all got fat.

Wisconsin replicated what Nebraska did because Barry Alvarez was their coach and now AD, and Barry Alvarez played at Nebraska. And I would actually argue that Wisconsin is a few playmakers away from competing for national titles. If they found another transfer like Russell Wilson and added a few more stand out defensive players like Watt, I could easily see them competing. They got close a few years too. Even with that, Wisconsin doesn't run the same type of offense that 90's Nebraska did. Power football, sure, but that is not all encompassing.

 

[ralphiewvu]

That's my point too, it isn't rocket science and yet you are still the ONLY person struggling with it.

Can a program that NEVER makes a national title game be considered good?

"had" to tag him? Huh? No, I tagged him so that either he could explain it to you or so that you can go argue with him because this is stupid. I don't give a fuck if you approve of how I said something, especially when no one else has mentioned any confusion or anything remotely to what you are saying.

To me, since no one else mentioned any confusion, it tells me that you are the only one that doesn't understand. That sounds like a YOU problem, ralphie.

The chance was strong that BC was going to score, they marched down the field and got inside the 10 yard line. If it was not for that INT, there is a good chance, Miami loses that game. Even Miami athletics says that.



Yes, I doubt that Miami wins at all.... meaning that I can see the other team winning (i.e. Miami not winning). Seriously, what if difficult about this?

Opinions can be wrong, like the one you have about 01 Miami being the GOAT. That one is quite laughable. But you can go right on believing it.

This is all fucking laughable. Since no one says they don’t understand then everyone understands? Your own fucking boy (you had to tag) wouldnt back you up, he had to resort to insults. Again, it’s not rocket science it’s just pure idiocy to argue doubt at all means 50/50.

Yes, a good program doesn’t have to make an NC game. Why is this difficult?

The chance wasn’t strong. Miami didn’t need that interception, Nebraska needed that to win. That is a huge difference.

Yes opinions can be wrong, like stating 01 Miami doubtfully wins at all vs 97 Nebraska. But continue to believe your bullshit and stupid word games which make no logical sense. And this will continue to keep going round and round.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

This is all fucking laughable. Since no one says they don’t understand then everyone understands? Your own fucking boy (you had to tag) wouldnt back you up, he had to resort to insults. Again, it’s not rocket science it’s just pure idiocy to argue doubt at all means 50/50..

"At all" as in "period" as in I doubt Miami could win at all... or I doubt Miami could win period. Meaning that I think Nebraska has a fair shot.

Again, why is this difficult for you?

Yes, a good program doesn’t have to make an NC game. Why is this difficult?

It's not difficult, you keep proving my points and not realizing it. I am sure you won't understand this either. SMH. If a good program doesn't have to make an NC game, then shouldn't Va Tech being ranked be good enough? Why mention their flash in the pan title attempt AT ALL?

The chance wasn’t strong. Miami didn’t need that interception, Nebraska needed that to win. That is a huge difference.

Miami needed it to stop BC from scoring. Shit ralphie, are you being purposefully dense?

Yes opinions can be wrong, like stating 01 Miami doubtfully wins at all vs 97 Nebraska.

Sure, except I have shown via stats and facts how they line up rather well. You on the other hand sit there like a genuine retard stating 'bUt MiAmI hAd MoAr DrAfT pIcKs' while you attempt to wipe away your spittle.

But continue to believe your bullshit and stupid word games which make no logical sense. And this will continue to keep going round and round.

It makes perfect sense. Initially I said that I thought Miami would win, then the more I thought about it and researched things, the more I doubted Miami winning at all, that means I think their opponent has a fair chance at beating them. Seriously, seek some help, reading should not be this difficult ALL THE TIME for you.

 

[NU_WTF?]

Schemes, tempo, play count...

Lol, not at Nebraska.

Then Idk what to tell you. QBs have been doing that for decades.

I said that I want to see 95 Nebraska today? I already have, they all got fat.

Wisconsin replicated what Nebraska did because Barry Alvarez was their coach and now AD, and Barry Alvarez played at Nebraska. And I would actually argue that Wisconsin is a few playmakers away from competing for national titles. If they found another transfer like Russell Wilson and added a few more stand out defensive players like Watt, I could easily see them competing. They got close a few years too. Even with that, Wisconsin doesn't run the same type of offense that 90's Nebraska did. Power football, sure, but that is not all encompassing.

Pretty sure you're arguing with a child with no real knowledge of football history.

 

[NU_WTF?]

"At all" as in "period" as in I doubt Miami could win at all... or I doubt Miami could win period. Meaning that I think Nebraska has a fair shot.

Again, why is this difficult for you?

It's not difficult, you keep proving my points and not realizing it. I am sure you won't understand this either. SMH. If a good program doesn't have to make an NC game, then shouldn't Va Tech being ranked be good enough? Why mention their flash in the pan title attempt AT ALL?

Miami needed it to stop BC from scoring. Shit ralphie, are you being purposefully dense?

Sure, except I have shown via stats and facts how they line up rather well. You on the other hand sit there like a genuine retard stating 'bUt MiAmI hAd MoAr DrAfT pIcKs' while you attempt to wipe away your spittle.

It makes perfect sense. Initially I said that I thought Miami would win, then the more I thought about it and researched things, the more I doubted Miami winning at all, that means I think their opponent has a fair chance at beating them. Seriously, seek some help, reading should not be this difficult ALL THE TIME for you.

Pretty sure you're arguing with an autistic day-drunk woman who has no clue how to comprehend English

 

[ralphiewvu]

"At all" as in "period" as in I doubt Miami could win at all... or I doubt Miami could win period. Meaning that I think Nebraska has a fair shot.

Again, why is this difficult for you?

It's not difficult, you keep proving my points and not realizing it. I am sure you won't understand this either. SMH. If a good program doesn't have to make an NC game, then shouldn't Va Tech being ranked be good enough? Why mention their flash in the pan title attempt AT ALL?

Miami needed it to stop BC from scoring. Shit ralphie, are you being purposefully dense?

Sure, except I have shown via stats and facts how they line up rather well. You on the other hand sit there like a genuine retard stating 'bUt MiAmI hAd MoAr DrAfT pIcKs' while you attempt to wipe away your spittle.

It makes perfect sense. Initially I said that I thought Miami would win, then the more I thought about it and researched things, the more I doubted Miami winning at all, that means I think their opponent has a fair chance at beating them. Seriously, seek some help, reading should not be this difficult ALL THE TIME for you.

Doubt at all is in no way 50/50. you know this but are twisting like A Fucking pretzel because you don’t want to admit it.

I was reminding you they were two years out from an NC appearance. Clearly you had forgotten they were a good program. That’s all, it’s not that hard. Stop being dumb.

Miami didn’t need an that interception. Nebraska needed that kicked reception touchdown. Are you being purposefully stupid?

Neat, they were ranked highly on both offense and defense. Yet NU still had close games vs shit opponents and Miami had close games vs good opponents. You are using your bias in reflection of that.

Again with this word twisting. Look at the fucking post man. No one can logically argue ya meant 50/50. But because you are too fucking proud to admit it, here you are giving some looney example as to what you meant.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Ohh look, bitch boy is back to not answer a simple question but hurl insults. What a shock.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Doubt at all is in no way 50/50. you know this but are twisting like A Fucking pretzel because you don’t want to admit it.

You truly are either an idiot or someone that just loves to argue semantics.

I was reminding you they were two years out from an NC appearance. Clearly you had forgotten they were a good program. That’s all, it’s not that hard. Stop being dumb.

1. Them being 2 years out from a NC run is irrelevant. Congrats, you're retarded in multiple ways in one thread.
2. "Clearly I had forgotten"? Why, because I said Miami had a close game with them? They were an 8-4 squad, nothing to ride home about and clearly NOT as good as a few years ago. Miami struggling to beat them is relevant because GOATS don't struggle.

Miami didn’t need an that interception. Nebraska needed that kicked reception touchdown. Are you being purposefully stupid?

Miami needed the INT to stop BC from scoring. Even Miami atheltics admit as much.

Neat, they were ranked highly on both offense and defense. Yet NU still had close games vs shit opponents and Miami had close games vs good opponents. You are using your bias in reflection of that.

Nebraska also beat more top 10 opponents than Miami. Close games against worse, rival, road teams, but also more top 10 wins. Your dumbass refuses to acknowledge that. If Nebraska is worse than Miami because they struggled with worse teams than Miami struggled with, then by that logic, it would cancel out since Nebraska played more tougher teams than Miami as well. Sure, you will say that Miami played more ranked teams.... but again what does that matter if they aren't higher ranked? Congrats to Miami on beating more lower ranked teams? Is that the angle? Congrats on beating teams that arguably, arbitrarily just made the rankings?

Again with this word twisting. Look at the fucking post man. No one can logically argue ya meant 50/50. But because you are too fucking proud to admit it, here you are giving some looney example as to what you meant.

50/50 means it could go either way, which is what I said. At first I said Miami would win, then I changed that to doubting that Miami would win at all, that means that Miami could lose and Nebraska win.... i.fucking.e. that means it could go either way. Which means it could be 50/50.

I am sure this is WAY over your head.

 

[NU_WTF?]

You truly are either an idiot or someone that just loves to argue semantics.


50/50 means it could go either way, which is what I said. At first I said Miami would win, then I changed that to doubting that Miami would win at all, that means that Miami could lose and Nebraska win.... i.fucking.e. that means it could go either way. Which means it could be 50/50.

I am sure this is WAY over your head.

It doesnt matter what you write, ralphie will find a way to read between lines that arent there and come up with language and meaning you never used to justify the retarded behavior it exhibits

 

[ralphiewvu]

You truly are either an idiot or someone that just loves to argue semantics.

1. Them being 2 years out from a NC run is irrelevant. Congrats, you're retarded in multiple ways in one thread.
2. "Clearly I had forgotten"? Why, because I said Miami had a close game with them? They were an 8-4 squad, nothing to ride home about and clearly NOT as good as a few years ago. Miami struggling to beat them is relevant because GOATS don't struggle.

Miami needed the INT to stop BC from scoring. Even Miami atheltics admit as much.

Nebraska also beat more top 10 opponents than Miami. Close games against worse, rival, road teams, but also more top 10 wins. Your dumbass refuses to acknowledge that. If Nebraska is worse than Miami because they struggled with worse teams than Miami struggled with, then by that logic, it would cancel out since Nebraska played more tougher teams than Miami as well. Sure, you will say that Miami played more ranked teams.... but again what does that matter if they aren't higher ranked? Congrats to Miami on beating more lower ranked teams? Is that the angle? Congrats on beating teams that arguably, arbitrarily just made the rankings?

50/50 means it could go either way, which is what I said. At first I said Miami would win, then I changed that to doubting that Miami would win at all, that means that Miami could lose and Nebraska win.... i.fucking.e. that means it could go either way. Which means it could be 50/50.

I am sure this is WAY over your head.

You are a fucking moron with your word twisting.

1) Its not irrelevant when talking about a program being good you dumbshit.
2) They finished the season ranked. They were a good program. Miami took its foot off the gas when leading by 3 possessions at halftime.

Miami didn’t need the interception. Did it help, absolutely but they didn’t need it. Do I need to explain again what need is?

There is no angle, Miami beat 6 ranked teams and didn’t struggle with a bunch of 5 win teams. Stop ignoring that. Your dumbass goes out of his way to defend Nebraska. 97 Nebraska was a great team but in my opinion they weren’t the level of 01 Miami. (Insert your my opinion is wrong bullshit you so love)

Heres word twisting again, you know you are full of shit but won’t admit it. So continue to question my reading ability and comprehension and I’ll continue to laugh at you for outright lying about what your words meant. No where logically can you say “I doubt (insert team) wins at all” and argue you meant they would have a 50/50 shot.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

You are a fucking moron with your word twisting.

I am sorry I speak above you.

1) Its not irrelevant when talking about a program being good you dumbshit.

It is redundant and yes, it is ultimately irrelevant because it doesn't matter, in the end it was still a 2 point game. You may care, but history does not.

2) They finished the season ranked. They were a good program. Miami took its foot off the gas when leading by 3 possessions at halftime.

Sure they did. And Miami also meticulously allowed them to comeback just for dramas-sake.

Miami didn’t need the interception. Did it help, absolutely but they didn’t need it. Do I need to explain again what need is?

They needed it, because at that moment it was more likely that BC was going to score and win than it was that Miami was going to hold on to the lead. That 'kicked' up int, sealed the game for Miami. Good on em.

There is no angle, Miami beat 6 ranked teams and didn’t struggle with a bunch of 5 win teams.

No angle. So you believe that 1 top ten and 5 lowly ranked teams is better than 2 top ten and 3 lowly ranked teams?

This is another reason why no one takes you seriously.

Stop ignoring that. Your dumbass goes out of his way to defend Nebraska. 97 Nebraska was a great team but in my opinion they weren’t the level of 01 Miami. (Insert your my opinion is wrong bullshit you so love)

That's the thing. 97 Nebraska was not a great team. They were good enough to be champions, but that doesn't make them great, but that is semantics on how I am viewing 'great'. And given that 97 Nebraska and 01 Miami are comparable on many things including stats, I think it is fair and justifiable to say neither were great, both were good.

Heres word twisting again, you know you are full of shit but won’t admit it. So continue to question my reading ability and comprehension and I’ll continue to laugh at you for outright lying about what your words meant. No where logically can you say “I doubt (insert team) wins at all” and argue you meant they would have a 50/50 shot.

I'm not lying though, you just don't like the explanation because you want to be right about my words. I am telling you that you are wrong about them and you can't take that. Again, that is a personal problem for you ralphie.

Again, you don't have to understand, Idc. You're dumb.

95 Nebraska>>71 Nebraska>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>97 Nebraska = 01 Miami

Suck it.