If judges are involved, is it really a sport?

Peter Gozintite said:
I will give Cletus the benefit of the doubt with regards to there being a certain level of skill to maneuver the vehicle and track. But it is a rich mans hobby at best. You dont have to be a world class athlete to compete at a high level in racing. I have never seen a car driver compete in any other sport.
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Jimmie Johnson did triathlons.
 
Schmoopy1000 said:
my bad I was going towards the athlete thing.
to be fair though most involved in whatever their sport is dont do another sport.
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Especially when they are involved in expensive hobbies and/or athletic activities. :wink:
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
There's other forms of auto racing other than NASCAR, and even in NASCAR, 1/5 of the schedule is road courses, and there's a lot more that goes into oval racing than anyone realizes, which is why so many that come from a road racing background struggle in NASCAR. But the drivers have extreme reaction time and hand-eye coordination in a high pressure spot in 130+ degree temperatures inside the cab with g-forces more than space shuttle astronauts experience. Modern drivers are all in peak physical condition, hell, Mark Martin is over 60 and still rocking 8 pack abs.

But, you made up your mind and you're not interested in learning, I get it.
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What sport so other athletes play at 60, or 50? None, that how many.
 
Peter Gozintite said:
What sport so other athletes play at 60, or 50? None, that how many.
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Mark Martin has been retired for like 10 years, and was part time for years before hanging it up for good. He's just the one that started rigorous fitness training as part of his racing prep, and it's now the standard.

But, I'm not arguing auto racing is a sport, just arguing the claim that auto racing drivers "have zero athletic ability"

I'm on the fence on the sport department. I mean, you can be the best in the world and if your tire blows through no fault of your own, you lost the race and crashing hard most of the time, so there's a lot of things out of the driver's control(mechanical failures, aggression of other drivers, tires, pit crews, etc), but I'm just saying it's a lot more physically demanding than most realize.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Mark Martin has been retired for like 10 years, and was part time for years before hanging it up for good. He's just the one that started rigorous fitness training as part of his racing prep, and it's now the standard.

But, I'm not arguing auto racing is a sport, just arguing the claim that auto racing drivers "have zero athletic ability"

I'm on the fence on the sport department. I mean, you can be the best in the world and if your tire blows through no fault of your own, you lost the race and crashing hard most of the time, so there's a lot of things out of the driver's control(mechanical failures, aggression of other drivers, tires, pit crews, etc), but I'm just saying it's a lot more physically demanding than most realize.
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Power lifting is physically demanding too.

Sorry, just piling on.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Just seems like a lot of bias and subjectivity. I’m not saying the participants aren’t athletes, but I have a hard time calling them sports. To me a sport needs a sure fire way to determine a winner. Score more points than your opponent, get across the line first, etc

Even boxing and MMA should go until knockout or tap out
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There are definitely biases with judged events. The bigger names get the benefit of the doubt. I also remember the really dumb way they used to score boxing matches. If the fighter landed a punch at least 2 of the 3 judges had to push a button to score the point within like a second. It led to laughably bad results like Floyd Mayweather losing to some Bulgarian tomato can in 1996.
 
jjc2009 said:
There are definitely biases with judged events. The bigger names get the benefit of the doubt. I also remember the really dumb way they used to score boxing matches. If the fighter landed a punch at least 2 of the 3 judges had to push a button to score the point within like a second. It led to laughably bad results like Floyd Mayweather losing to some Bulgarian tomato can in 1996.
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yeah Boxing has the most flawed scoring of all sports.
If you are making the sport money. What we will call the A side. You will get all close rounds even if you lost them.
Boxing judges are some of the worst in all of sports. I dont have an answer to fix it, but it definitely needs help.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
There's other forms of auto racing other than NASCAR, and even in NASCAR, 1/5 of the schedule is road courses, and there's a lot more that goes into oval racing than anyone realizes, which is why so many that come from a road racing background struggle in NASCAR. But the drivers have extreme reaction time and hand-eye coordination in a high pressure spot in 130+ degree temperatures inside the cab with g-forces more than space shuttle astronauts experience. Modern drivers are all in peak physical condition, hell, Mark Martin is over 60 and still rocking 8 pack abs.

But, you made up your mind and you're not interested in learning, I get it.
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So... like a South Korean gamer?
 
Not a sport if there are judges?

Don Denkinger 1985
Dez Bryant catch 2014
Laettner basket good at 0.00 1992

I see a whole lot of judging going on in these instances and all of them wrong.
 
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