Insights To Nick Saban Retiring

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Not every school. Only the ones that can afford them. You claim it levels the playing field. Top schools like the majors that have big names, will have major collectives. Smaller schools will only have enough to maybe land one, maybe two mid tier players, or one top name player, if they are going to spend on players in positions of need that they desperately need. You might see a top flight receiver go to a group of 5 team, but he will be nestled among normal group of 5 talent. He will look like a standout, but when his team doesnt win like he wants, he will shop his wares to team B in a power 5. Now this kid comes in, where he was once a star among space dust, and he is nestled in a galaxy of stars and his star doesnt shine as brightly. At some point, these kids will see this for what it is, and not sign with the smaller schools, because yet again, the rich get richer and the scraps are left for the middle and lower class. What you are describing when you claim it will level the field is sort of a trickle down theory of economics. Its not going to trickle down, and all boats wont rise, only the more sound boats will rise, the rest will still be bailing water as they always have

First think -- CFB will NEVER have a level player, as in, ever. It will always be the have and the have nots. What NIL has done is spread out the elite recruits, as it isn't feasible to pay a fortune for all of them. So they spread out, like Dante Moore going to UCLA, Nico going to Tennessee, Raiola going to Nebraska, Mauigoa going to Miami, McClain to Colorado. These 5 stars kid wouldn't have sniffed those schools prior to NIL and the Portal.

The rich will continue to be rich, they just won't be as rich as they were in the past. The 2nd tier teams will be able to sign some guys they wouldn't have had a shot to sign prior to NIL. They will also be able to go on runs where they compete with the rich. I'm a die hard Michigan fan, I don't consider Michigan in the top tier for the select few elite teams, like Bama and Georgia. But the portal has allowed UM to compete with them, as they could fill holes on their team and we won a national title this past year.

I really want to believe Saban was 'worried about the development' of the kids, but it kind of contradicts his actions when he argued against coaches being able to help out in football camps, because the camps were in the south.

Reality is -- CFB is unbelievably skewed in favor of a select few schools. The coaches at those schools don't want anything to change, because it gives them an ENORMOUS advantage. It is why those coaches bounced from school to school to get to one of the select few schools. The playing field in CFB will never be level, but NIL and the portal has closed the gap ever so slightly.

 

[Thiefery]

Not every school. Only the ones that can afford them. You claim it levels the playing field. Top schools like the majors that have big names, will have major collectives. Smaller schools will only have enough to maybe land one, maybe two mid tier players, or one top name player, if they are going to spend on players in positions of need that they desperately need. You might see a top flight receiver go to a group of 5 team, but he will be nestled among normal group of 5 talent. He will look like a standout, but when his team doesnt win like he wants, he will shop his wares to team B in a power 5. Now this kid comes in, where he was once a star among space dust, and he is nestled in a galaxy of stars and his star doesnt shine as brightly. At some point, these kids will see this for what it is, and not sign with the smaller schools, because yet again, the rich get richer and the scraps are left for the middle and lower class. What you are describing when you claim it will level the field is sort of a trickle down theory of economics. Its not going to trickle down, and all boats wont rise, only the more sound boats will rise, the rest will still be bailing water as they always have.

it has leveled the playing field man.. When was the last time TN was able to get a 5 star QB prior to getting the kid from CA? Or Ole Miss getting a 5 star DT in the portal?? U can even point to Mizzu who got their 5 star DE in state to stay home thanks to NIL, prior to that he would have for sure gone elsewhere.

U even got G5 programs like Boise being able to get 2 former 5 star players (one a QB and the other a WR)

 

[Thiefery]

First think -- CFB will NEVER have a level player, as in, ever. It will always be the have and the have nots. What NIL has done is spread out the elite recruits, as it isn't feasible to pay a fortune for all of them. So they spread out, like Dante Moore going to UCLA, Nico going to Tennessee, Raiola going to Nebraska, Mauigoa going to Miami, McClain to Colorado. These 5 stars kid wouldn't have sniffed those schools prior to NIL and the Portal.

The rich will continue to be rich, they just won't be as rich as they were in the past. The 2nd tier teams will be able to sign some guys they wouldn't have had a shot to sign prior to NIL. They will also be able to go on runs where they compete with the rich. I'm a die hard Michigan fan, I don't consider Michigan in the top tier for the select few elite teams, like Bama and Georgia. But the portal has allowed UM to compete with them, as they could fill holes on their team and we won a national title this past year.

I really want to believe Saban was 'worried about the development' of the kids, but it kind of contradicts his actions when he argued against coaches being able to help out in football camps, because the camps were in the south.

Reality is -- CFB is unbelievably skewed in favor of a select few schools. The coaches at those schools don't want anything to change, because it gives them an ENORMOUS advantage. It is why those coaches bounced from school to school to get to one of the select few schools. The playing field in CFB will never be level, but NIL and the portal has closed the gap ever so slightly.

I think the only schools that really wasn't affected was tosu and uga.. I don't think tosu was as dirty as some of the other schools but they still did well recruiting.. and now with NIL, I know they got things figured out now and they flexed with the signing of Downs who was all but signed and delivered to UGA. Speaking of UGA, they too have a large fanbase and array of boosters too.. they will be fine navigating this new era of NIL.

I think this new wave will help schools like Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame more than ever... people can point to recruiting rankings of the past.. I love showing that not all classes are created equal.. Texas until the new NIL/Transfer Portal era hadn't signed a #1 QB since VY.. I think GG was #3 or so in 2009.. Mack's last great class on paper was his #2 overall in 2012.. after that Chucks highest class was #9 with like 30 players.. no actual 5 stars along the OL or DL. Same thing with Tom's classes that were ranked high as well.. most of the numbers came from the secondary and WR positions. You look now and UT is finally getting that talent on all positions.

Michigan and ND both have large fanbases and have wealthy AD depts.. they too will figure it out. They will be allowed to whiff more than some other schools who are having trouble keeping up

 

[BandwagonBo2]

First think -- CFB will NEVER have a level player, as in, ever. It will always be the have and the have nots. What NIL has done is spread out the elite recruits, as it isn't feasible to pay a fortune for all of them. So they spread out, like Dante Moore going to UCLA, Nico going to Tennessee, Raiola going to Nebraska, Mauigoa going to Miami, McClain to Colorado. These 5 stars kid wouldn't have sniffed those schools prior to NIL and the Portal.

The rich will continue to be rich, they just won't be as rich as they were in the past. The 2nd tier teams will be able to sign some guys they wouldn't have had a shot to sign prior to NIL. They will also be able to go on runs where they compete with the rich. I'm a die hard Michigan fan, I don't consider Michigan in the top tier for the select few elite teams, like Bama and Georgia. But the portal has allowed UM to compete with them, as they could fill holes on their team and we won a national title this past year.

I really want to believe Saban was 'worried about the development' of the kids, but it kind of contradicts his actions when he argued against coaches being able to help out in football camps, because the camps were in the south.

Reality is -- CFB is unbelievably skewed in favor of a select few schools. The coaches at those schools don't want anything to change, because it gives them an ENORMOUS advantage. It is why those coaches bounced from school to school to get to one of the select few schools. The playing field in CFB will never be level, but NIL and the portal has closed the gap ever so slightly.

Your only problem with all you said will be this. When all those players become disgruntled because they are either not getting playing time, or incapable of winning a title, they will bolt for greener pastures again. Will they choose correctly, or go for the money again. Money does not buy titles, it buys malcontent players. One thing might be a good wait and see. Will Tosu win it all this coming year? They spent a ton of money in the off season for some very good talent. Will it put them over the top, or not.

 

[BandwagonBo2]

it has leveled the playing field man.. When was the last time TN was able to get a 5 star QB prior to getting the kid from CA? Or Ole Miss getting a 5 star DT in the portal?? U can even point to Mizzu who got their 5 star DE in state to stay home thanks to NIL, prior to that he would have for sure gone elsewhere.

U even got G5 programs like Boise being able to get 2 former 5 star players (one a QB and the other a WR)

How long will they stay? This is the point. Getting them is easy, keeping them is not. When you arent winning at the level these players are wanting, expecting, and used to winning, they will pack up for a more stable team that has and can win at a high level. The Bama's of the world, the Georgia's of the world, hell, even the Texas's of the world, will always be able to win at a top level, NIL or not. And these are the teams that could pick up a portal player who has tremendous upside and only wants to win, because he knows NIL money will come his way when he signs with a new team. Getting a player looking for money is easy, keeping them is not. Field is not level, its a false positive you are seeing. Time is a great way of sniffing things like this out.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Blasphemy -- @Across The Field will tell you OAM didn't buy any recruits. They simply couldn't wait to live in the arm pit of America. That's why they transferred to OAM.

I apologize for OAM actions this offseason. Michigan broke them, so they've went all in this year buying ever player they could, as Michigan loses 17 starters. OAM hasn't beaten Michigan on the football field since November of 2019, so they are doing all they can to try and get a win this year. It may be their only shot for a while, unless they finally wise up and bring in a real coach.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Your only problem with all you said will be this. When all those players become disgruntled because they are either not getting playing time, or incapable of winning a title, they will bolt for greener pastures again. Will they choose correctly, or go for the money again. Money does not buy titles, it buys malcontent players. One thing might be a good wait and see. Will Tosu win it all this coming year? They spent a ton of money in the off season for some very good talent. Will it put them over the top, or not.

The whole winning a title thing in college isn't as big of a deal to many of these kids as fans make it out to be. Many of these top recruits come from nothing, so if their choice is money or a title -- they are going for the money. It is no different in the NFL. The guys in FA are going to the teams who give them the most money -- only a select few will take less to go somewhere or stay somewhere that gives them a better chance to win a title.

And you can say money buys 'malcontent players', but it also buys talented players -- if you have the right coach to merge the talent and competitive side of those players -- it can work. It is definitely much tougher to do now with money being part of the equation.

 

[Jon Deaux]

Whew, y'all some long winded motherfuckers today.
Dead Sunday, huh?

 

[Jon Deaux]

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

1. The Big Boys have all the money they need. UGA, Bama, tOSU ... they can raise the money they need. They have the luxury of allocating differently than schools more desperate to win.

2. The next team to win a NC based on NIL and/or the transfer portal will be the first.

3. NIL has flattened HS recruiting a little ... more really good players went to schools they wouldn't have gone to. BUT, the same teams as in the past were the ones getting more blue chips ... Bama and UGA, five 5* each. tOSU and Texas got four 5* each. UGA had 24 5*/4*, Bama 22, tOSU, and Texas 18 each.

4. To win consistently, you have to HS recruit consistently. Look at the past 4 classes to see if a team has a shot. One good year normally isn't going to get it done.

5. Everything above is based on the coach. He is also in charge of the culture. A great coach is vital. Smart is obviously a great one, and Sark is doing a great job at UT. Day has a few years to get to the top. We won't know about Deboer for a few more years - he's a good coach, but can he do that in the SEC, and can he recruit well enough? Top 10s won't do it when Bama is used to having the No. 1 class almost all the time.

6. To win at the highest level consistently, you have to (1) recruit HS players very well every year, (2) spend NIL on the retention of the players you want to keep, looking for culture and longevity, (3) use the transfer portal and the corresponding NIL to fill in the gaps left after 1 and 2, (4) have a great coach who knows how to hire great assistants, all of whom are responsible for 1-3 above, and setting up the culture, and (5) they need to know how to find undervalued talent (UGA has a ton of them the past 5 years) and then develop them and the blue chips.

7. The teams with the most of the above will win consistently. Notice that just NIL or heavily relying on the transfer portal is insufficient to win consistently.

 

[Wild Turkey]

it has leveled the playing field man.. When was the last time TN was able to get a 5 star QB prior to getting the kid from CA? Or Ole Miss getting a 5 star DT in the portal?? U can even point to Mizzu who got their 5 star DE in state to stay home thanks to NIL, prior to that he would have for sure gone elsewhere.

U even got G5 programs like Boise being able to get 2 former 5 star players (one a QB and the other a WR)

Dude TN not getting players in the past has nothing to do NIL or the portal. They shot themselves in the foot with coaching hires for over a decade that couldn't recruit.

Get a decent coach in there and get the backing of the boosters and things get better.

Now Ole Miss getting a 5* DT in the portal that has to do with NIL but we are long way off from it being a level playing field because money can talk but facilities and opportunity have a piece of the action too.

Boise is grabbing players that couldn't cut it at the P5 level or they wouldn't be going to Boise. Now it's definitely changed recruiting because I saw where Prime Time hasn't made one in-house visit since being hired at Colorado. No idea WTF he is doing except throwing money at them to get them to visit.

 

[Deep Creek]

Now it's definitely changed recruiting because I saw where Prime Time hasn't made one in-house visit since being hired at Colorado. No idea WTF he is doing except throwing money at them to get them to visit.

They want to be one of the 15 clowns that crawl out of the Volkswagen at the circus.

 

[Thiefery]

Dude TN not getting players in the past has nothing to do NIL or the portal. They shot themselves in the foot with coaching hires for over a decade that couldn't recruit.

Get a decent coach in there and get the backing of the boosters and things get better.

Now Ole Miss getting a 5* DT in the portal that has to do with NIL but we are long way off from it being a level playing field because money can talk but facilities and opportunity have a piece of the action too.

Boise is grabbing players that couldn't cut it at the P5 level or they wouldn't be going to Boise. Now it's definitely changed recruiting because I saw where Prime Time hasn't made one in-house visit since being hired at Colorado. No idea WTF he is doing except throwing money at them to get them to visit.

they got a good coach and had a good season 2 years ago.. but if you think they got Nico cause of that....



it wasn't... his NIL opportunity was the deciding factor

 

[Wild Turkey]

they got a good coach and had a good season 2 years ago.. but if you think they got Nico cause of that....



it wasn't... his NIL opportunity was the deciding factor

Over the years Tennessee has gotten QBs that are comparable to Texas.

Fact.

 

[Thiefery]

Over the years Tennessee has gotten QBs that are comparable to Texas.

Fact.

yeah.. which was cool back in the 2000s.. but wonder what happened in the 2010s? I can tell you what's different now.. UT isn't losing to any uncle money in the Valero gas parking lot