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I really hope it's Venables instead of Fickell
Lincoln Riley is a dumbass
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Exactly.
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I definitely think you meant very well in this post and some of the PMs so thank you. I am definitely divisive on here and I apologize for some of the posts (especially the ones that I attacked people on).
Perhaps it is a unique part of me that I often challenge the consensus on points. Interesting enough, if you put me in a class with a professor and students that is very liberal, I will get more conservative. You put me in a class with a professor and students that are very conservative, I will get more liberal. I have always worked the opposite of the trend because I just see holes in people's discussions. This can be very divisive.
I definitely see some stuff differently than people on this board. I am perhaps closer in thought to you guys than I my arguments lead on and I am definitely reading and considering many of your points. I should have stopped after my 6-7 post and just let you guys have the argument. I am definitely not trying to troll but I definitely see how it is coming off this way.
Another flaw of mine was jumping to conclusion in the original post without reading the full contract details which changed my perspective. It is very unusual to see someone leave one Blue-Chip program that is winning to another Blue-Chip program that has been struggling but with the details of the contract, it sounds like it was one hell of a deal. Someone else, very early in this thread, made the point of it being a matter of tastes as well. People prefer different things as well. Heck this is why dating is so hard
.I find the Chip Kelley move to be even more crazy but I am sure there was some logic to it as well.
Ultimately Lincoln to USC could be great for CFB as we really need USC and Southern California invested in the sport again.
Oklahoma is kind of facing what Tennessee experienced in 2009 with a coach leaving suddenly and taking recruits. However, Oklahoma should weather it far better for a multitude of reasons:
1. They got a better administration and Bob Stoops to jump in and help out. I imagine they don't mess it up and get a Dooley type hire (I hate to say that as I never hated Dooley as a person but he wasn't ready to coach Tennessee)
2. Kiffin left very close to signing day. At least Lincoln is giving them a couple of months to shore up and possibly turnaround some of the losses of recruits
3. Oklahoma is not facing the prospect of having an Alabama and Georgia in their backyard tacking all of their potential recruits. Oklahoma has a far better recruiting situation to mitigate the losses than Tennessee had in 2009
However, Oklahoma needs to do something quickly.
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2. Early signing day is in a couple weeks, not a couple months. Most of the big fish will be gone by then.
3. There are plenty of schools in "Oklahoma's backyard" when you consider that most of the players are not coming from the state of Oklahoma.
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hell the TX recruiting was also starting to really take a hit.. He had that pipeline into CA going for sure though..
Another big reason to go.. Easier to get the pipeline you are depending on to show up in LA then Norman. Don't have to worry about the homesick kids as much
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Interesting interview.
Colin mostly fanboyed over him. He danced around the SEC thing a little bit and I didn't think he was going to ask, but he did eventually ask if the move to the SEC weighed into his decision. He said No, that it was simply about the challenge that USC presents, what he believes USC can be and that USC is going all in on the football program ("About fucking time" - Every USC fan). He said that he thinks the SEC move will be great for OU.
He also said that he believes in building the o-line first. That alone sold me, I've been bitching about our o-line since year 1 with Kiffin. lol
I think the stuff about USC is true and the main reason...but I wasn't convinced that the SEC move wasn't at least part of it. He definitely said all of the right things though.
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I think most guys that are decommitting will just wait to see who is named coach. They don’t have to sign in the early period so they have plenty of time to check out the landscape. When this is over OU won’t lose as much as we think.
I’m betting there is a cultural problem because you have guys hitting the transfer portal and some moaning and groaning. Everyone is happy when you win but drop a few and you start to learn things. The next guy might have to clean some stuff up.
One good thing about Malzahn is he ran a good culture and probably too good because a lot of talent walked while he was there. It’s a tough balance.
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My guess is that Smart will decide to share the bump in an effort to keep his assistants. When you have a coaching carousel like this one, top assistants end up taking down the line jobs. For example, our DC Dan Lanning might be a good fit for Cincinnati as he has midwest roots, it's more attractive being in the B12, and he is getting talked about more and more. He is too young and inexperienced to get one of the big boy jobs, but the schools from which the coaches fill the big boy jobs then have to have corches. Should Smart win the natty this year, I can see Smart taking a bump to 9 or 10 mil, but increasing the assistants pool for the rest of the 4 or 5 million. Start paying OCs and DCs 2.5 million a year or more, they might stay a while and wait on the ideal fit.
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Bro... it's simple as this.. He was scared of Texas.. he knows what's coming..
#HookEM
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Yeah, folks forget that as important as the head coach is, the assistants are just as, if not more important. I'm hoping that USC "going all in" means they are also increasing what assistants are paid. Doesn't do a lot of good to spend all of that money on an HC just to make him an expensive scapegoat because you cheaped out on the assistants.
As much as I loved the Pete Carroll era, it was as much about his assistants as it was him.
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Yeah, the only thing that bothers me is their bullshit lying. Him saying that this all came together on Sunday morning is total bullshit. Have the honor to at least tell the truth. "I loved it here. I think we accomplished great things. USC made a fantastic offer, one that is really hard to turn down. My family discussed it and we feel it would be a good move for my family. To the players, thanks. I know it is hard that I recruited you to OU. It's a great place to play football and I wish you luck in the future. OU will find a great coach. Fortunately, players now have the same rights as coaches, and if opportunity here changes for you, you will have the same opportunity that I had to go to where it's best for you. I genuinely hope that is here in Norman, but you have the right to do what's best for you. Good luck to all."
Now, that last part is kind of dicey, I get it. And you probably shouldn't say it. But, it's true. As Tenn found out last year, and new reality of the transfer portal is that if you lose a popular player's coach, you've set your program back a few years. That may be why schools are trying to keep coaches that really don't seem to be all that good. But, a coach like Riley needs to make sure everyone knows that all the players he recruited have the same rights that he has right now. Sucks for the fans, but it is the right thing for the players.
Ok
I know all Coaches stretch the truth, but one thing you will come to realize is that Lincoln Riley doesn't ever answer a question.
He always gives you what you want to hear 100% of the time, then goes and does whatever he wants without even pausing.
Always have that in the back of your mind.
I think the SEC move is just shit fools in the media and know-nothings like us on message boards like to talk about.
The reality is if you're the head corch of a blue blood program competing for national titles, you believe you can beat anyone anywhere anytime and are more than willing to seize the opportunity to prove yourself right. Ego alone would make going to the SEC appealing, not something to run away from.
Loosely connected, but it sounds like Riley felt his opinion on things was starting to matter less and less if he wasn't involved in the SEC move and is having issues with boosters and NIL.
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Gonna say you guys lead the way with Gus' contract that locked you in on him for many years. 7 years at $7 million may seem like chump change at the time, but most people where going WTF when you did that. Because we always loved beating Gus, we thought it was great. But that was the first of the really large buyouts.
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Don't think that OU can take the moral high ground on "shady and secretive" things, if you know what I mean. It's just the way those things happen.
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Are you suggesting there is a Burnt Orange Beast coming?
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Once again, he is full of shit but I understand no one is going to admit that he is taking the easy way out. Face it, OU and Clemson had the easiest path to the CFP every year. As we move to 12, those two programs would have been in the CFP every year or they should be fired. The advantage of the SEC is that you know that if you have 3 losses or less, with 12 teams you have a really good shot at getting in. I can't see a CFP 12 in the future that doesn't have 4 of Bama, UGA, OU, LSU, UF, TAMU. That's 5 programs who have a really good chance to get in because the recruit well and have a shit ton of money who will likely get in every year, or at least very often, without needing to win the conference. UGA would have been in a CFP 12 every year except Smart's first year.
Going to the PAC lets him do exactly what he did in the B12. Beat one team - Oregon most likely - each year and you are in the CFP. That isn't the same as playing in the SEC, especially when they go to a 9 game schedule. Also, the money in the PAC won't be SEC/B1G money, but it will be similar to the old B12.
Also, as we discussed yesterday, the LOS is important ... but it needs to be both sides of the ball.