Lincoln Riley is a dumbass

[Thiefery]

LSU has a dramatically harder path to a division/conference/national title. Especially once OU and Texas are in the SEC. They're going to end up feasting on each other and killing title hopes of probably a lot of really good teams. At USC you get good and you're the king of that conference right now.

All I know is that Saban-Les_Ogre.. all won Championships there.. at this trajectory, they could bring in BOB and he'll get one too

 

[TigerBait1971]

bring in BOB

 

[RubinRock]

Orgeron was let go for off the field issues.

That's definitely part of the issue. And probably part of why Riley didn't end up there. But if Orgeron had been winning the last two years, do you still think he would have been shown the door yet? If the off field issues were something that the administration truly hated that much to let him go no matter what, I really doubt they would have let him finish out the season.

 

[Volbound1700]

All you've done here is perpetuate the unrealistic expectations that get coaches fired. Yes 6-6 is a bad year for both LSU and Florida. LSU also just won a Natty two years ago. That typically buys some time. Florida just made it to the SEC championship last year. That typically buys some time. In the SEC, it doesn't apparently. And now you are going to add two more programs to the conference that have similar, if not even higher expectations. Someone has to lose the games, and the more good programs you add to the conference, it obviously becomes much more difficult to not have a down year. Oklahoma is about to go from winning he conference every single year to trying to win one every 3-5 years. The fan base is going to turn on that real quick. He could easily be on the hot seat in just a few years, even if he is putting up great teams.

And you keep bringing up this cost of living shit. So what? If the reports are true, he's going to be making nearly $15 mil. Even if taxes take out a large chunk of it, you're going to live a great life regardless of where you live if you are taking in $10 mil a year. And I would much rather live in southern cal than the baton rouge-new orleans area.

And I don't care about a rabid fanbase. A rabid fanbase makes the game and fan experience a lot more fun. But, I'll keep bringing it back up, it also brings unrealistic expectations. Sure if you can win consistently like Saban, its amazing. But if not, goodbye. It doesn't matter if you reach the pinnacle. If you can't maintain it, which is nearly impossible, its going to be a rough going.

Ugh, USC fired their coach TWO GAMES INTO THE SEASON. That isn't much better.

USC is just as bad/unrealistic as Florida and LSU.

 

[PnkPanther]

People that base where they want to live based heavily on politics, are strange people.

so much this!

 

[trojanfan12]

This is nothing against USC as they seem like a decent school and are a historic power.

However, from a business sense, this was very stupid.

A young coach taking over at a historic program that has virtually unlimited access to Hollywood (and it's marketing opportunities) and may be the best positioned program in the country to take advantage of NIL is a bad business decision? lol

 

[Volbound1700]

so much this!

More like standard of living. My $ 450k house would be easily over $ 1 Million in LA.

I worked for Nissan back when they moved from LA to Nashville. All of the California people were so pissed about it but once they came over, none of them wanted to go back.

Some of you talk on here like California is what it was in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, or 1990s. It isn't (at least Southern California). It is an overcrowded mess where you spend more time stuff in traffic in your car than on a beach and you have to make a huge salary to even live in a decent house.

It is an overcrowded, overregulated mess unless you get far out of the city into the desert.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

There were like 5k fans in attendance for USC’s homecoming, and these fans are largely the same fans that inhabit Dodger Stadium. It’s gross all the way around

 

[RubinRock]

Ugh, USC fired their coach TWO GAMES INTO THE SEASON. That isn't much better.

USC is just as bad/unrealistic as Florida and LSU.

Clay Helton was there for 6 years tho in a shitty conference. And had only won the conference once, although he did make it to the championship games a few times. They still have high expectations, but not at the same level right. But at Florida, he would have been fired in 2018 after going 5-7 when his team had just made it to the Cotton Bowl the previous year. Not to mention, the recruiting was starting to slip.

Now if he is able to right the ship there, maybe the expectations begin to rise again and reach that unrealistic level. But right now, its not unrealistic to expect USC to be competing for conference championships nearly each year in a down PAC. There's really only one other consistent competitor, and Oregon is in the other division.

 

[trojanfan12]

Exactly.

Lincoln isn't losing any money by going to California. You can argue against the merits of him going, but financial reasons certainly aren't amongst them.

That taxes thing cracks me up.

Yes, the taxes are high. But that doesn't really effect people making that kind of income. Especially if they have a decent accountant who knows how/where to stash money.

Every year...there's some top coaches or some top athletes that everyone says isn't coming to a California school/team because of "taxes"....yet somehow it never seems to stop anyone.

 

[fordman84]

He’s making plenty of money. Anyone with the option to live in Manhattan Beach over Norman and chooses Norman needs to get his head examined.

I agree other than the fact that Riley walks on water in Norman, or did. He could have had a job for life with zero stress.

Well, he did until OU went to the SEC. Now that he has to face teams with a pulse he sees the writing on the wall.

 

[Thiefery]

I agree other than the fact that Riley walks on water in Norman, or did. He could have had a job for life with zero stress.

Well, he did until OU went to the SEC. Now that he has to face teams with a pulse he sees the writing on the wall.

you mean they wouldn't be settling for 8-4 seasons? Or wait 4 years and zero 10 win seasons before deciding to give him an extension? SEC move wasn't the major thing here, SC offered him the better job overall, and he took it.. look where the majority of his bluechip players were committed from.. CA, it's the better fit for him.

Don't feed into the SEC narrative that he was scared, that's the shit ou fans are spewing since they got spurned for a school out West, that they cannot fathom being a better destination.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I agree other than the fact that Riley walks on water in Norman, or did. He could have had a job for life with zero stress.

Well, he did until OU went to the SEC. Now that he has to face teams with a pulse he sees the writing on the wall.

Riley isn't stupid and he knows that winning in the SEC is a totally different ballgame than the Big 12. Oklahoma has had some really good teams and they have beaten some good SEC teams in Bowl games but almost every single time the SEC teams have been beaten to death and playing backups at key positions. In the SEC you can't just have a good starting 22, you have to have at least 15 backups across the board that would start at other programs. Texas and Oklahoma just have zero clue how much depth it takes and how important the trenches are. There is one guy that knows exactly how tough it will be and that is Riley.

He just dominated a two big game a year league for 6 years, to dodge a 5 big game a year league to go to another two big games a year league. It makes his life so much easier and pimps his coaching resume. By the end of his career, he might be the winningest coach to never win a natty.

 

[Thiefery]

Riley isn't stupid and he knows that winning in the SEC is a totally different ballgame than the Big 12. Oklahoma has had some really good teams and they have beaten some good SEC teams in Bowl games but almost every single time the SEC teams have been beaten to death and playing backups at key positions. In the SEC you can't just have a good starting 22, you have to have at least 15 backups across the board that would start at other programs. Texas and Oklahoma just have zero clue how much depth it takes and how important the trenches are. There is one guy that knows exactly how tough it will be and that is Riley.

He just dominated a two big game a year league for 6 years, to dodge a 5 big game a year league to go to another two big games a year league. It makes his life so much easier and pimps his coaching resume. By the end of his career, he might be the winningest coach to never win a natty.

lol.. SC is just the better job period. Kids automatically want to go there more than Norman.. his teams in SC will be more talented than the ones he's had at ou. This wasn't about conference affiliation, this was about the better job period. SC is better than ou.. just look at the facilities alone

 

[PnkPanther]

More like standard of living. My $ 450k house would be easily over $ 1 Million in LA.

I worked for Nissan back when they moved from LA to Nashville. All of the California people were so pissed about it but once they came over, none of them wanted to go back.

Some of you talk on here like California is what it was in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, or 1990s. It isn't (at least Southern California). It is an overcrowded mess where you spend more time stuff in traffic in your car than on a beach and you have to make a huge salary to even live in a decent house.

It is an overcrowded, overregulated mess unless you get far out of the city into the desert.

I'm sure Lincoln will survive.

And this may shock you, but not everyone views the world same way you do.

Different strokes for different folks

Unless you want to live in soulless god awful suburbs, that's just crazy

 

[trojanfan12]

He had the #1 recruiting class coming into Oklahoma. Compare that to USC who has the # 37 recruiting class. Unless he can conjure up some Pete Carroll type magic, USC is BY FAR a harder to place to win than Oklahoma right now.

lol

You realize that USC fired their coach, right? That effects recruiting because players want to know who they will be playing for. Despite all of the negativity around him, Helton only had 1 bad recruiting year. USC's problem hasn't been a lack of talent, it's been a lack of coaching. USC has the talent right now to compete for at least the PAC-12 title next season.

Additionally, I would expect that some of the California recruits that have de-committed from Oklahoma will sign with USC. Apparently, Malachi Nelson has already contacted Riley about USC.

The big inter-conference game against Notre Dame will also be harder since Brian Kelley has Notre Dame consistently contending as a top 15 team. I will say the Pac12 South is bad but will these games get enough attention to draw television views, recruits, and get the media behind you to help you make a playoff game?

lol

Did you really type this? Seems you lack understanding re: how recruiting and coaching work. Where was ND when Kelly took over?

 

[trojanfan12]

I'd move to SoCal if only for the women. No millions needed, but would be appreciated, just the women.

The only thing that would give me reservation if I was Riley or USC is what happened with Kiffin there. He was a big get too, coming out of a big conference and a big name program and within 3 years was fired. You'd have to think they're bringing in Riley not with the expectation of competing for conference championships but to compete for natties and that's a big ask.

The issue was Kiffin was that he wasn't ready to be a head coach (wasn't mature enough and he ended up losing the team). After going to The Nick Saban Coaching Rehabilitation Program, he now knows how to be a head coach.

I was actually hoping that USC would make a run at him in this search.

When USC has the right coaches, natties aren't as big of an ask.

 

[Tharvot]

Do i need to read this whole thread or has the OP not begun blaming muslims for this yet?

 

[huskers1217]

 

[trojanfan12]

Clay Helton was there for 6 years tho in a shitty conference. And had only won the conference once, although he did make it to the championship games a few times. They still have high expectations, but not at the same level right.

Disagree. If USC didn't maintain high expectation, there would have been no reason to fire Helton. He was winning 8-11 games per season and had USC in the hunt for the PAC title every year.

But his teams had a habit of shitting the bed against top competition. That is why he was fired...he wasn't living up to expectation.