Lincoln Riley is a dumbass

[trojanfan12]

lol.. SC is just the better job period. Kids automatically want to go there more than Norman.. his teams in SC will be more talented than the ones he's had at ou. This wasn't about conference affiliation, this was about the better job period. SC is better than ou.. just look at the facilities alone

I mostly agree with this. However, word is that he was against moving to the SEC. If true, that would tell me that conference played a role to at least some degree.

It may have just been a matter of "More money, easier to recruit top talent because it's a great location, opportunity to get credit for restoring a historic program and as a bonus, I don't have to deal with the SEC", rather than the "he's terrified of the SEC" narrative that some are trying to put out there, but it was still a consideration.

 

[Volbound1700]

I mostly agree with this. However, word is that he was against moving to the SEC. If true, that would tell me that conference played a role to at least some degree.

It may have just been a matter of "More money, easier to recruit top talent because it's a great location, opportunity to get credit for restoring a historic program and as a bonus, I don't have to deal with the SEC", rather than the "he's terrified of the SEC" narrative that some are trying to put out there, but it was still a consideration.

Dude, the Pac12 has been pretty irrelevant for some time. USC doesn't fill their stadiums.

It will take him time to win at USC versus Oklahoma.

The Notre Dame game is HUGE and Oregon would be HUGE if it was on the schedule because they are really the only Nationally Televised games on USC's schedule that the country (and recruits) would watch. Well maybe Utah, UCLA, or Washington if they are having good seasons.

As stated, USC has to travel East to even get attention because West Coast people (by a majority) just don't give a crap about college sports.

 

[Volbound1700]

In reality, I am probably think there is more to the story because someone just doesn't leave a powerful blueblood program that they are doing well at to go to another one unless they are not getting along with their Athletic Director or there is something in their private life. It was notable that he was also fishing for the LSU job as well and that wouldn't have made much sense for a move.

 

[RubinRock]

Disagree. If USC didn't maintain high expectation, there would have been no reason to fire Helton. He was winning 8-11 games per season and had USC in the hunt for the PAC title every year.

But his teams had a habit of shitting the bed against top competition. That is why he was fired...he wasn't living up to expectation.

I agree with you. I even said they have high expectations. I said they don't have unrealistic expectations like much of the SEC. Atleast for now. I think its realistic for USC to be competing nearly every year for the PAC title and winning as well.

 

[Volbound1700]

I agree with you. I even said they have high expectations. I said they don't have unrealistic expectations like much of the SEC. Atleast for now. I think its realistic for USC to be competing nearly every year for the PAC title and winning as well.

Not really... Dan Mullin got in trouble for losing to Missouri, South Carolina, and Kentucky. You are NOT telling me that some of the teams in the Pac12 South are that much different talent-wise from those 3 teams listed.

If USC loses to Arizona State, UCLA, and Utah for example, they won't win their division and I guarantee you USC would be looking to move onto another coach.

 

[trojanfan12]

Dude, the Pac12 has been pretty irrelevant for some time. USC doesn't fill their stadiums.

What was USC's stadium like during the Pete Carroll era? If USC is winning to USC standards, the stadium fills up. If they aren't winning, there are a lot of other options to spend your money on than watching a team lose. It's like you think everything is stuck as is and teams never improve.

It will take him time to win at USC versus Oklahoma.

I doubt it. Clay Helton had USC in the hunt for the PAC title almost every season he was there just on talent. As I've said...USC's problem is never talent. It literally took Pete Carroll half a season to get USC get USC rolling. If Riley really is a good coach, USC should be competing for the PAC title at a minimum next season.

The Notre Dame game is HUGE and Oregon would be HUGE if it was on the schedule because they are really the only Nationally Televised games on USC's schedule that the country (and recruits) would watch. Well maybe Utah, UCLA, or Washington if they are having good seasons.

Tell me you know nothing about tv scheduling without telling me you know nothing about tv scheduling. lol

As stated, USC has to travel East to even get attention because West Coast people (by a majority) just don't give a crap about college sports.

lol

And what does Tennessee have to do? You're in the SEC and no one gives a shit about Tennessee. Looks to me like someone is still bitter about Lane Kiffin.

 

[trojanfan12]

If USC loses to Arizona State, UCLA, and Utah for example, they won't win their division and I guarantee you USC would be looking to move onto another coach.

lol

You: No one on the West Coast gives a shit about football or whether or not USC wins.

Also you: If USC loses 3 games, they'll be looking to move on to another coach.

You need to pick a lane.

 

[Thiefery]

In reality, I am probably think there is more to the story because someone just doesn't leave a powerful blueblood program that they are doing well at to go to another one unless they are not getting along with their Athletic Director or there is something in their private life. It was notable that he was also fishing for the LSU job as well and that wouldn't have made much sense for a move.

There's been talk that Riley is closer to Tom Herman personality wise than Stoops/Mack. ou board mentioned that Riley didn't like how the NIL deals worked in oklahoma, basically giving the power to Boosters who paid for a certain recruit.. thus wanting input in personnel decisions. but again, this is all speculation..

 

[Thiefery]

lol

You: No one on the West Coast gives a shit about football or whether or not USC wins.\

Also you: If USC loses 3 games, they'll be looking to move on to another coach.

You need to pick a lane.

I think SC would line up for some 9-3 seasons.. Hell Jimbo has yet to win 10 games in a season and already has gotten an extension

 

[Volbound1700]

What was USC's stadium like during the Pete Carroll era? If USC is winning to USC standards, the stadium fills up. If they aren't winning, there are a lot of other options to spend your money on than watching a team lose. It's like you think everything is stuck as is and teams never improve.



I doubt it. Clay Helton had USC in the hunt for the PAC title almost every season he was there just on talent. As I've said...USC's problem is never talent. It literally took Pete Carroll half a season to get USC get USC rolling. If Riley really is a good coach, USC should be competing for the PAC title at a minimum next season.


Tell me you know nothing about tv scheduling without telling me you know nothing about tv scheduling. lol



lol

And what does Tennessee have to do? You're in the SEC and no one gives a shit about Tennessee. Looks to me like someone is still bitter about Lane Kiffin.

We get about as much TV attention as USC (even if half of it is negative) and we fill our stadium despite having 7-5 and 6-6 type seasons so I would say from a fanbase and profitability standpoint, we are better than USC.

Want proof? Here you go: The highest-grossing football programs in college football are...

That is from 2020 so a little dated but I doubt it has changed much. When Tennessee was winning (Fulmer era), we were in the top 5 in revenue generating programs and were #2 in players to the NFL behind only Miami. It just takes the right coach and I agree with you on that aspect.

However, I think you are under selling how weak College Football is on the West Coast. No one gives a shit. Just looking off that list, there are 8 SEC programs (including OU and Texas) ahead of USC in revenue generation. This is despite the fact that some of these programs have struggled just like USC.

 

[Volbound1700]

lol

You: No one on the West Coast gives a shit about football or whether or not USC wins.

Also you: If USC loses 3 games, they'll be looking to move on to another coach.

You need to pick a lane.

These two are pretty much related. College is a career decision and you want to play in games that are televised and get recruiters.

USC is in a unique position to do that and I NEVER said they were not. I just said it would be harder to do it there versus Oklahoma at this moment.

If it makes you feel better, I think Riley to LSU would have been a dumb move as well.

 

[Volbound1700]

I think SC would line up for some 9-3 seasons.. Hell Jimbo has yet to win 10 games in a season and already has gotten an extension

Jimbo won 10 games in 2020.

 

[Thiefery]

Jimbo won 10 games in 2020.

you might want to go and check that again..

 

[williewilliejuan]

We get about as much TV attention as USC (even if half of it is negative) and we fill our stadium despite having 7-5 and 6-6 type seasons so I would say from a fanbase and profitability standpoint, we are better than USC.

Want proof? Here you go: The highest-grossing football programs in college football are...

That is from 2020 so a little dated but I doubt it has changed much. When Tennessee was winning (Fulmer era), we were in the top 5 in revenue generating programs and were #2 in players to the NFL behind only Miami. It just takes the right coach and I agree with you on that aspect.

However, I think you are under selling how weak College Football is on the West Coast. No one gives a shit. Just looking off that list, there are 8 SEC programs (including OU and Texas) ahead of USC in revenue generation. This is despite the fact that some of these programs have struggled just like USC.

I think you’re missing the variety of other options in a city like Los Angeles versus Knoxville.

 

[Volbound1700]

you might want to go and check that again..

Ah, they were 9-1 because the Ole Miss game got cancelled.

They still finished in top 10 and had the equivalent of a 10 win season.

 

[RubinRock]

Not really... Dan Mullin got in trouble for losing to Missouri, South Carolina, and Kentucky. You are NOT telling me that some of the teams in the Pac12 South are that much different talent-wise from those 3 teams listed.

If USC loses to Arizona State, UCLA, and Utah for example, they won't win their division and I guarantee you USC would be looking to move onto another coach.

He went 5-7 in 2018. Lost to Stanford, Texas, Utah, Arizona St, California, UCLA, and Notre Dame. This was after winning the PAC in 2017 and going to the Cotton Bowl. USC did not move onto another coach. He was not fired mid season for it. He was on the hot seat at the time. I'm not saying these are the same exact situations. But Helton was given some time.

 

[Inquisitor]

Well the next thing you know, OU's going you know where...
The kinfolk said, "Lincoln move away from there!"
California is the place you oughtta be
So he loaded up the truck and moved to USC...
Trojans, that is, swimming pools, movie stars...

 

[Volbound1700]

I think you’re missing the variety of other options in a city like Los Angeles versus Knoxville.

I can see your point and as someone pointed out in this thread, different strokes for different folks. Some people like Urban life and some do not. It is just a matter of tastes.

From a business sense (just looking at $$$), I don't think it was the best of moves. He had it made at Oklahoma. There is a reason companies (with the exception of tech companies) are fleeing California. (I do know that Tech Companies have some tax benefits that keeps them a float so in some ways, California's government isn't that dumb in that they are driving out Manufacturing but keeping the Tech jobs).

Issue with California is just overcrowding. Southern California is one of the most beautiful areas of our country (or was) and people flocked to it. The scenery has been paved over with development and it is not what it once was. Nashville is a hotbed for immigrants from Southern California and this is the reoccurring theme.

My thought is that there was friction between Riley and Oklahoma's Administration. That is why this move probably made sense and was the best move for him. It also explains why he was interesting in LSU as well.

 

[trojanfan12]

I think SC would line up for some 9-3 seasons.. Hell Jimbo has yet to win 10 games in a season and already has gotten an extension

If USC was only interested in 9-3 seasons, there was no reason to fire Helton. USC is looking fot 10-12 win seasons and contending for the cfp.

People act like Helton had losing seasons at USC. He had one losing season. In his complete seasons (not including interim) he went 10-3, 11-3, 5-7. 8-5 and 5-1.

Clay Helton was making just under $5 million per year at USC. I doubt USC is looking to pay someone 3 times that amount for essentially the same results. They are paying that kind of money for Pete Carroll results, not Clay Helton results.

 

[outofyourmind]

This is a good move for Riley
It's a good move for USC
And it's a good move for Oklahoma.

Not sure what everyone is upset about.