LOL ... Hugh Freeze just found out that Smart got to the natty in year 2

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They went into Happy Valley last year and beat a top 10 PSU team by 2 TDs. Also throttled a top 10 MSU team in 2021 by 49.

MI beat that team 41-17 they were not that good. MSU was a 7 loss team.

 

[ellupo]

That's what I have tried to say to @Across The Field. The top teams have the talent and physicality -- those are the teams who OSU have struggled against. Nothing Holtz said was wrong, it just came off badly because he is a former ND coach and that was who OSU was going to be playing.

Hands down -- OSU has had the best offense in college football the last two years. Look at what Wilson has done with the Jets in the NFL. Look what Olave has done with Saints in the NFL. Look what Stroud has looked like for the Texans. Add in all the OL that are now in the NFL, add in Marvin Harrison Jr, etc.

I'm a die hard UM fan and I readily admit, OSU has had WAAAAY more talent than UM and continue to have more talent than UM. UM was simply more physical and tougher than OSU the last couple years. There will be times where being more physical and tougher isn't enough, as talent trumps all. Next year we will see that, I believe. Michigan could be tougher and more physical, but I think OSU puts an ass beating on UM next year. We'd need a superstar QB to enter the portal, because if McCarthy leaves, we are bare.

MI has that Buckeye trained Oline coach and he is great. I think that is the big difference. It shows when tOSU needs 1 yard and the coach calls a sweep. He got lucky vs. ND.

 

[Across The Field]

MI beat that team 41-17 they were not that good. MSU was a 7 loss team.

They threw in a garbage time TD with a minute left otherwise we would've won by 20. Winning by 20 on the road and winning by 24 at home aren't huge differences.

And no, MSU was an 11-2 team that year and beat michigan.

 

[Across The Field]

i don't put much into teams stats right now, like facing top 20 QB's or what a player has averaged per carry, as the OOC slate is usually just scrimmages for these teams against vastly overmatched teams.

The defensive backfield looks improved for OSU but I honestly can't speak too much, as I've missed quite a bit of football as my kid has had baseball on saturday's. Hell -- I didn't even make it thru the ND/OSU game, so I didn't get to see much of the 2nd half.

The only thing I was interested in seeing with the ND game is how ND ran the ball -- that will be the key to Michigan/OSU game. Seeing ND run the ball like they did on OSU makes me think OSU will use the same defensive strategy as last year and bring the house. I like that UM got to see it last year.

I'm confident this year in the UM/OSU game with it being at home and with all the starters we returned. I'm DREADING 2024 in Columbus. I think UM get absolutely hammered and OSU will take out alot of frustrations on us. Michigan loses like 18 starters at the end of this year. I can see OSU not only beating UM, but keeping the foot on the gas when they are up big.

I guess we'll have to wait and see, but giving up 5.2 YPC to a team like ND that was averaging over 6 YPC coming into the game isn't a big deal to me. I was far more concerned with how we'd handle Hartman and they were definitely up to the test. I'd also argue one of the reasons we were so successful defensively is that we kept everything in front of us against ND, which was the polar opposite of what we did last year against michigan.

If our defense continues to improve, I don't expect to see any kind of blowout in AA this year. I'd still pick you to win right this second, but again, we'll see what happens.

 

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They threw in a garbage time TD with a minute left otherwise we would've won by 20. Winning by 20 on the road and winning by 24 at home aren't huge differences.

And no, MSU was an 11-2 team that year and beat michigan.

Garbage time is still game time.

You are right I looked at 22. In 21 MSU also lost to PSU and had one good player. He was the entire team.

None of that changes the Buckeyes looking soft upfront. They have for years. Day knew it when he went for the sweep on 4th vs. ND.

 

[Across The Field]

Garbage time is still game time.

You are right I looked at 22. In 21 MSU also lost to PSU and had one good player. He was the entire team.

None of that changes the Buckeyes looking soft upfront. They have for years. Day knew it when he went for the sweep on 4th vs. ND.

I mean, if you wanna play the "they beat so and so worse than we did" game, how do you explain MSU beating michigan in 2021 but getting destroyed by us by 49? Or how about last year against an incredibly physical Iowa defense when we beat them by 44 and michigan beat them by 13? There are plenty of other examples. The transitive property is for idiots.

"Day knew it" - So did he forget it when we scored on the final play of the game?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

MI has that Buckeye trained Oline coach and he is great. I think that is the big difference. It shows when tOSU needs 1 yard and the coach calls a sweep. He got lucky vs. ND.

Sherrone Moore is from Ohio State? I didn't know that. That guy is a stud. Not sure how they let that guy go. He is one of the biggest reasons for UM's turnaround. He is a great coach and a great recruiter.

 

[Across The Field]

Sherrone Moore is from Ohio State? I didn't know that. That guy is a stud. Not sure how they let that guy go. He is one of the biggest reasons for UM's turnaround. He is a great coach and a great recruiter.

I think Harbaugh came out recently and said to keep an eye out in the next few years. He'll get promoted quick and find a HC position. I'd be cool with that

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I guess we'll have to wait and see, but giving up 5.2 YPC to a team like ND that was averaging over 6 YPC coming into the game isn't a big deal to me. I was far more concerned with how we'd handle Hartman and they were definitely up to the test. I'd also argue one of the reasons we were so successful defensively is that we kept everything in front of us against ND, which was the polar opposite of what we did last year against michigan.

If our defense continues to improve, I don't expect to see any kind of blowout in AA this year. I'd still pick you to win right this second, but again, we'll see what happens.

Here is why I don't put much into what ND had done prior to the OSU game. They played Navy, Tennessee State and Central Michigan. It is the same reason I don't put much into what Michigan has done thus far, as we've played nobody.

The giving up 5.2 ypc though is an indicator, as ND is a team who like to line up and run, like Michigan does and they are a legit top 20 team. If OSU had completely shut down ND's run game -- I'd have been really worried about Michigan's chances.

And I agree with keeping everything in front of you -- UM uses the exact same style defense, which is why it was a shock Rutgers hit a 69 yard pass on us. That just doesn't happen often against the style of defense we play.

The keep it in front style of defense is a defense UM loves to play against -- that is how they run the offense. They run the ball, they run the ball, they use play action, they throw to TE's, then once in a while take a deep shot down field. Only time you see UM take a lot of shots downfield is when a defense does what OSU did last year and bring pressure almost every play. Teams stack the box almost every game -- that's the norm, but OSU literally sent their LB's into the running gaps, which left the field wide open behind them and led to the big plays.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I think Harbaugh came out recently and said to keep an eye out in the next few years. He'll get promoted quick and find a HC position. I'd be cool with that

Sherrone Moore will definitely get a head coach job soon. The guy he just mentioned about being a future head coach is Grant Newsome. He was a big time OL for Michigan a little bit ago and he completely destroyed his knee in a game, to the point he almost died and almost lost his leg from the surgeries. He medically retired after that injury.

UM gave him a graduate assistant job and he has been on the staff the last few years.

 

[Across The Field]

Here is why I don't put much into what ND had done prior to the OSU game. They played Navy, Tennessee State and Central Michigan. It is the same reason I don't put much into what Michigan has done thus far, as we've played nobody.

The giving up 5.2 ypc though is an indicator, as ND is a team who like to line up and run, like Michigan does and they are a legit top 20 team. If OSU had completely shut down ND's run game -- I'd have been really worried about Michigan's chances.

And I agree with keeping everything in front of you -- UM uses the exact same style defense, which is why it was a shock Rutgers hit a 69 yard pass on us. That just doesn't happen often against the style of defense we play.

The keep it in front style of defense is a defense UM loves to play against -- that is how they run the offense. They run the ball, they run the ball, they use play action, they throw to TE's, then once in a while take a deep shot down field. Only time you see UM take a lot of shots downfield is when a defense does what OSU did last year and bring pressure almost every play. Teams stack the box almost every game -- that's the norm, but OSU literally sent their LB's into the running gaps, which left the field wide open behind them and led to the big plays.

They also played NC State. I know they're not elite but they only have a loss to ND to this point.

If ND having the level of success running the ball against us is a positive for you, I'm not sure things are going to go as well against us as you think. Remember, they managed 14 points, and their passing offense is head and shoulders above michigan. From what I've seen so far, I think it's apples and oranges to compare our defense this year to last year. Last year's defense would've gotten shredded through the air the last two games playing those offenses. We have a good barometer coming up next weekend against Maryland. Taulia had one of his best games against us last year, and he's playing pretty well again this year.

Maybe I'm wrong and michigan will beat us 55-21 this year, but I'd bet on it being significantly closer than that.

 

[Across The Field]

Sherrone Moore will definitely get a head coach job soon. The guy he just mentioned about being a future head coach is Grant Newsome. He was a big time OL for Michigan a little bit ago and he completely destroyed his knee in a game, to the point he almost died and almost lost his leg from the surgeries. He medically retired after that injury.

UM gave him a graduate assistant job and he has been on the staff the last few years.

That's the guy, my bad. I remember now seeing it and thinking he said Gavin Newsome was going to be a HC soon and being confused for a second.

Also holy fuck, I didn't know that about his leg. That's horrifying.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

They threw in a garbage time TD with a minute left otherwise we would've won by 20. Winning by 20 on the road and winning by 24 at home aren't huge differences.

And no, MSU was an 11-2 team that year and beat michigan.

Throw the records out the window in the Michigan/Michigan State game. Ohio State is BY FAR our biggest rival, but Michigan/Michigan State is personal and Michigan is BY FAR Michigan State's biggest rival. So they throw the kitchen sink at Michigan.

Nothing surprises me in the games with Michigan State.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

They also played NC State. I know they're not elite but they only have a loss to ND to this point.

If ND having the level of success running the ball against us is a positive for you, I'm not sure things are going to go as well against us as you think. Remember, they managed 14 points, and their passing offense is head and shoulders above michigan. From what I've seen so far, I think it's apples and oranges to compare our defense this year to last year. Last year's defense would've gotten shredded through the air the last two games playing those offenses. We have a good barometer coming up next weekend against Maryland. Taulia had one of his best games against us last year, and he's playing pretty well again this year.

Maybe I'm wrong and michigan will beat us 55-21 this year, but I'd bet on it being significantly closer than that.

I don't think the UM/OSU game will be a blowout. I think it will be a tough, hard fought game. I only give UM the advantage because it is at UM and UM returns the overwhelming majority of starters from the year before. If OSU could put big pressure on UM with their front 4 and didn't need to bring the LB's to try and stop the run -- I'd pick OSU.

Michigan doesn't use an offense where they will run up the score on people. Heck -- I'm undefeated on the year betting against Michigan, because the spreads have been so huge. Michigan is a team who will pound the ball, methodical drives and wear teams down. They are also a team who takes the foot off the gas if they get up and start getting players experience, as noted from their score differential this year -- they are +117 points in the 1st 3 quarters and -3 in the 4th quarter as a team.

That's why I don't put much into OOC games. Some teams want to run up the score and stats for their starters. Other teams value getting players experience playing in a game.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

That's the guy, my bad. I remember now seeing it and thinking he said Gavin Newsome was going to be a HC soon and being confused for a second.

Also holy fuck, I didn't know that about his leg. That's horrifying.

Yeah -- someone hit him with a chop block and it completely dislocated his knee cap and he suffered a catastrophic injury, where his leg was dying. They were minutes away from amputating the leg.

Michigan LT Grant Newsome nearly lost his leg and his life, now he's focused on football

Newsome spoke with reporters in Italy on Tuesday, the first time since his season-ending injury in October.

www.mlive.com

 

[Across The Field]

I don't think the UM/OSU game will be a blowout. I think it will be a tough, hard fought game. I only give UM the advantage because it is at UM and UM returns the overwhelming majority of starters from the year before. If OSU could put big pressure on UM with their front 4 and didn't need to bring the LB's to try and stop the run -- I'd pick OSU.

Michigan doesn't use an offense where they will run up the score on people. Heck -- I'm undefeated on the year betting against Michigan, because the spreads have been so huge. Michigan is a team who will pound the ball, methodical drives and wear teams down. They are also a team who takes the foot off the gas if they get up and start getting players experience, as noted from their score differential this year -- they are +117 points in the 1st 3 quarters and -3 in the 4th quarter as a team.

That's why I don't put much into OOC games. Some teams want to run up the score and stats for their starters. Other teams value getting players experience playing in a game.

This is going to be the key to the game IMO. Our sack numbers aren't gaudy, but our pass defense efficiency is among the nation's best because not only are our DBs are much better this year, but OSU also leads the nation in QB pressure rate generated. That'd lead you to think the sack numbers should increase, and if they can keep this up, they're definitely going to be a legit NC contender this year. Compared to last year when they were giving up big pass and run plays all year long, they've done a great job limiting them so far.

We'll see if this is still the case by late November. Barring something unforeseen, I think this year's game should be much closer than the last two years.

 

[Across The Field]

Yeah -- someone hit him with a chop block and it completely dislocated his knee cap and he suffered a catastrophic injury, where his leg was dying. They were minutes away from amputating the leg.

Michigan LT Grant Newsome nearly lost his leg and his life, now he's focused on football

Newsome spoke with reporters in Italy on Tuesday, the first time since his season-ending injury in October.

www.mlive.com

My god, that is fucking gruesome. 6 surgeries in a little over a month, glad he can still walk.

 

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I mean, if you wanna play the "they beat so and so worse than we did" game, how do you explain MSU beating michigan in 2021 but getting destroyed by us by 49? Or how about last year against an incredibly physical Iowa defense when we beat them by 44 and michigan beat them by 13? There are plenty of other examples. The transitive property is for idiots.

"Day knew it" - So did he forget it when we scored on the final play of the game?

One good player. MI has manhandled the Buckeyes the last 2 seasons because they are soft up front.

They cant get 1 yard. They couldnt last year. Anyone with their head not up BigNuts arse can see that.

Day prayed and got lucky they only had 10.

 

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Sherrone Moore is from Ohio State? I didn't know that. That guy is a stud. Not sure how they let that guy go. He is one of the biggest reasons for UM's turnaround. He is a great coach and a great recruiter.

Big Ed the man behind that Oline play.

Ed Warinner - Football Coach - University of Michigan Athletics

Ed Warinner is now in his third season as Michigan's Donald C. Graham Football Offensive Line Coach in 2020. Warinner has demonstrated himself to be one of t...

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Big Ed the man behind that Oline play.

Ed Warinner - Football Coach - University of Michigan Athletics

Ed Warinner is now in his third season as Michigan's Donald C. Graham Football Offensive Line Coach in 2020. Warinner has demonstrated himself to be one of t...

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He hasn't been at Michigan in 3 years. Sherrone Moore has been the OL coach the last couple years. I thought maybe Moore came from OSU.