Meatchicken is fucked..... gonna lose to purdue now

[osubuckeye89]

Our running came can survive without Corum, but it's still a huge bummer. The dropoff between Corum and Gash/Stokes is pretty apparent. There were a couple Stokes runs against OSU where he could have busted a huge run and either got tripped up or missed his cutback. Hard not to look at those and think "if only that was Corum instead." Hopefully we can refrain from having to use Edwards too much against Purdue and get him fully healthy for the playoffs.

Edwards is so key now, Michigan is pretty screwed if he were to become unavailable. They need him to be healthyish.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Better DB play and that scheme may have not looked so ridiculous.

Crazy to think about. If I said before that game I could look into the future and Ohio State was going to have 196 yards passing and 126 yards rushing while holding Michigan to 1 rushing yard in the first half you might not have turned on the game

Without a doubt, I wouldn't have turned the game on. Then again -- never in a million years did I think OSU would be going to cover 0 blitzes and putting 8-9 guys in the box, while having their LB's essentially shooting the A and B gaps almost every down.

It is crazy to think that with all those big time recruits OSU has on the DL, they felt they couldn't hold their own against UM's OL, so they had to go to such an extreme defensive game plan.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Edwards is so key now, Michigan is pretty screwed if he were to become unavailable. They need him to be healthyish.

He is healthy -- he just has a broken thumb. He has a cast on his right hand. That's the biggest issue -- ball security on his runs. It is also why UM didn't throw the ball at all to Edwards, because of his thumb.

He has had that since the Nebraska game, so hopefully it is something that will heal with the extra time before the CFP.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

McCarthy was still only 12/24. He made a handful of throws to wide open WRs that most D1 QBs make as well. That was the difference. Some people want to pretend he played some out of his mind game and is now on track for a Heisman in 2023 though. Ill give him credit for not fucking up, but im not gonna praise him for making easy throws that 90% of D1 QBs make easily as well.

You have to make the reads too. Another thing that does nothing to help McCarthy is -- UM's WR's are not very good and get very little separation. OSU was the first game where you saw UM WR's open like that downfield.

If you swapped UM's WRs with OSU's WRs -- It'd look completely different for McCarthy. Harrison and Egbuka are always open. Harrison has zero drops on the year. UM simply doesn't have that at the WR position.

 

[fishinabarrel]

You have to make the reads too. Another thing that does nothing to help McCarthy is -- UM's WR's are not very good and get very little separation. OSU was the first game where you saw UM WR's open like that downfield.

If you swapped UM's WRs with OSU's WRs -- It'd look completely different for McCarthy. Harrison and Egbuka are always open. Harrison has zero drops on the year. UM simply doesn't have that at the WR position.

Actually Harrison has one drop and it was a really big one against Michigan, but he does catch pretty much anything and Michigan doubled him all game.

Yes, Ohio States receivers are much better but McCarthy doesn't have near the accuracy Stroud does.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I don't think you can blame McCarthy's lack of development as a passer all on the WRs

He overthrows a lot.

He has a really strong arm but it's not that accurate down the field. And yea yea yada yada "he was the most accurate QB at one point" sure but most of those throws were dumpoffs to TEs and RBS

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Actually Harrison has one drop and it was a really big one against Michigan, but he does catch pretty much anything and Michigan doubled him all game.

Yes, Ohio States receivers are much better but McCarthy doesn't have near the accuracy Stroud does.

Harrison was the only player in CFB to have 1,000 yards receiving and 0 drops. He isn't just OSU's best WR, he is the best WR in college, which is crazy to say, as Ngjiba-Smith is his teammate.

When a QB is throwing to a WR corp consisting of Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson, Ngjiba-Smith, Marvin Harrison Jr, Emeka Egbuka, Julian Fleming, etc. over the last two years -- They are going to make any QB look good in college. They are throwing to wide open WR all the time.

There is a reason when OSU QB's go to the NFL -- they struggle. They are no longer throwing to wide open guys and have to fit the ball in tight/tighter windows. It is a big reason why, as a Lions fan, who really need a QB and will have a top 3 pick as we have the Rams 1st round pick next year -- I'm hoping Bryce Young is who we get. Stroud is a bigger QB and more prototypical for the NFL, but I just don't trust OSU QB's. Haskins looked like a can't miss guy with his accuracy and passing numbers. He was not good in the NFL once he had to deal with making NFL throws.

 

[fishinabarrel]

Without a doubt, I wouldn't have turned the game on. Then again -- never in a million years did I think OSU would be going to cover 0 blitzes and putting 8-9 guys in the box, while having their LB's essentially shooting the A and B gaps almost every down.

It is crazy to think that with all those big time recruits OSU has on the DL, they felt they couldn't hold their own against UM's OL, so they had to go to such an extreme defensive game plan.

Last year, it was the fronts fault. This year it was not. You can cite the coverage all you want but it's not like our DBs and LBs were racking up tackles in run support. Eichenberg and Chambers has 9 tackles between the two of them. The line played admirably this year. The fault lies in the defensive backs.

Two of the big plays they were not in cover 0 and just got lost. The opening TD drive in the 3rd quarter, and the the second Cornelius Johnson touchdown. Ransom let a TD who ran into another receiver recover his footing and run right past him on the first and Cam Martinez (who was deep safety help) decided to chase after the 5 yard out pattern that Denzel Burke had blanketed already and let Johnson run right past him in the slot.

First Johnson touchdown Cam Brown was right there to make the tackle short of the first down and just whiffed. Ohio State was in an all out blitz to get to McCarthy on 3rd and 9 and there was no one left was brown missed that bad. The blitz did it's job though. A blitzes job is either to sack a QB or force him to throw early before the sticks. Cam Brown has got to make that tackle, or at least make contact with more than the dudes towel so he can't just run free to the endzone.

 

[fishinabarrel]

Harrison was the only player in CFB to have 1,000 yards receiving and 0 drops. He isn't just OSU's best WR, he is the best WR in college, which is crazy to say, as Ngjiba-Smith is his teammate.

When a QB is throwing to a WR corp consisting of Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson, Ngjiba-Smith, Marvin Harrison Jr, Emeka Egbuka, Julian Fleming, etc. over the last two years -- They are going to make any QB look good in college. They are throwing to wide open WR all the time.

There is a reason when OSU QB's go to the NFL -- they struggle. They are no longer throwing to wide open guys and have to fit the ball in tight/tighter windows. It is a big reason why, as a Lions fan, who really need a QB and will have a top 3 pick as we have the Rams 1st round pick next year -- I'm hoping Bryce Young is who we get. Stroud is a bigger QB and more prototypical for the NFL, but I just don't trust OSU QB's. Haskins looked like a can't miss guy with his accuracy and passing numbers. He was not good in the NFL once he had to deal with making NFL throws.

He has very good wide receivers but some of the throws Stroud makes are insane. He puts the ball where only his receiver has a chance. Then, even on the wide open ones he almost always hits the receivers in stride. There is a reason Ohio State receivers get so many YAC

It is crazy to think though, that in five years, Ohio State may be responsible for producing half of the top ten receivers in the league. It could very easily not happen, but I could also see JSN, Marvin Harrison, Olave, Wilson, and Thomas all being considered top 10

 

[Tomhusker]

Michigan will beat Perdoo by 27+.

Bookmarket

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I don't think you can blame McCarthy's lack of development as a passer all on the WRs

He overthrows a lot.

He has a really strong arm but it's not that accurate down the field. And yea yea yada yada "he was the most accurate QB at one point" sure but most of those throws were dumpoffs to TEs and RBS

I'm not saying he is anything. I just know he takes care of the ball, is fast and elusive in the pocket and throws well on the run. UM simply doesn't have the WR corp that OSU has where you are pushing the ball down the field all the time.

He has missed on a couple deep throws this year, but also should have completed a 4 or 5 that WR's dropped. Andrel Anthony is our best deep threat -- he is just BRUTAL at tracking the ball. It is a talent for a WR to track a deep ball -- UM simply doesn't have a guy who excels at that or a guy who excels at 50/50 balls. That's why the OSU game was a shock to see with the downfield passing. I don't think we threw a ball all year to a TE over 40 yards downfield, let alone throw that pass to a true freshman TE.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

He has very good wide receivers but some of the throws Stroud makes are insane. He puts the ball where only his receiver has a chance. Then, even on the wide open ones he almost always hits the receivers in stride. There is a reason Ohio State receivers get so many YAC

It is crazy to think though, that in five years, Ohio State may be responsible for producing half of the top ten receivers in the league. It could very easily not happen, but I could also see JSN, Marvin Harrison, Olave, Wilson, and Thomas all being considered top 10

I'm SO jealous of OSU's WR room. I'd love to have just one of those type of WR's on UM. It'd make our run game even more effective. We just simply don't. Xavier Worthy would have been the guy, but the admins wouldn't let him enroll early because of a HS credit. Texas immediately admitted him early though.

Olave and Wilson are already tearing it up in the NFL. Before them Michael Thomas was one of the best WR's. Ngjiba is going to be a stud in the NFL and Harrison Jr looks like a lock to be top 5 pick in the draft. That is some crazy talent in one team's WR room. And what is funny -- Jameson Williams is another one who was at OSU, but didn't see the field so he went to Bama. They are raving about him at the Lions camp right now.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I'm not saying he is anything. I just know he takes care of the ball, is fast and elusive in the pocket and throws well on the run. UM simply doesn't have the WR corp that OSU has where you are pushing the ball down the field all the time.

He has missed on a couple deep throws this year, but also should have completed a 4 or 5 that WR's dropped. Andrel Anthony is our best deep threat -- he is just BRUTAL at tracking the ball. It is a talent for a WR to track a deep ball -- UM simply doesn't have a guy who excels at that or a guy who excels at 50/50 balls. That's why the OSU game was a shock to see with the downfield passing. I don't think we threw a ball all year to a TE over 40 yards downfield, let alone throw that pass to a true freshman TE.

His lack of turnovers IMO are due to safe passing game plans that don't put him in position to have a chance to make many turnovers. Nothing wrong with that though.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I'm not saying he is anything. I just know he takes care of the ball, is fast and elusive in the pocket and throws well on the run. UM simply doesn't have the WR corp that OSU has where you are pushing the ball down the field all the time.

He has missed on a couple deep throws this year, but also should have completed a 4 or 5 that WR's dropped. Andrel Anthony is our best deep threat -- he is just BRUTAL at tracking the ball. It is a talent for a WR to track a deep ball -- UM simply doesn't have a guy who excels at that or a guy who excels at 50/50 balls. That's why the OSU game was a shock to see with the downfield passing. I don't think we threw a ball all year to a TE over 40 yards downfield, let alone throw that pass to a true freshman TE.

I mean your coaches probably saw that nobody was covering the TE and decided it would be a good time to throw down the field to one.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Cam Martinez (who was deep safety help) decided to chase after the 5 yard out pattern that Denzel Burke had blanketed already and let Johnson run right past him in the slot.

Cam Martinez didn't bite on a different route -- he bit on Cornelius Johnson route. CJ faked like he was running a flag route and as soon as Martinez turned his hips, CJ broke inside on a post, with no safety help, so he had 3/4's of the field all to himself.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I mean your coaches probably saw that nobody was covering the TE and decided it would be a good time to throw down the field to one.

We just don't have TE's running routes 40+ yards downfield. That's what I meant.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I still think our DC should be fired for continuing to run those same coverages even though it was clear our DBs couldnt handle it in that game.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

His lack of turnovers IMO are due to safe passing game plans that don't put him in position to have a chance to make many turnovers. Nothing wrong with that though.

Michigan would LOVE to wing the ball downfield -- it would only help out running game if we had the personnel to do that successfully. If we had a few of those OSU Wr's -- I guarantee we'd throw it downfield WAY more than we did this year.

Unfortunately -- UM's WR corp is essentially a bunch of guys who are possession type WR's. Andrel Anthony was supposed to that deep threat this year. That hasn't panned out. Cornelius Johnson was someone who could have made that leap -- OSU is really the first game all year we saw him get separation like that.

We have a couple true freshman that i hope and pray take a step forward.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I still think our DC should be fired for continuing to run those same coverages even though it was clear our DBs couldnt handle it in that game.

I actually feel bad for Cameron Martinez. He is a michigan kid. He is going to take alot of shit for that play. Not a good weekend for his family. OSU lost to Michigan and his cousin is the QB at his former HS and they got hammered in the state championship game.

 

[fishinabarrel]

Cam Martinez didn't bite on a different route -- he bit on Cornelius Johnson route. CJ faked like he was running a flag route and as soon as Martinez turned his hips, CJ broke inside on a post, with no safety help, so he had 3/4's of the field all to himself.

Ok so he just got burnt. Point still stands we were not in cover 0 on that play. There were three DBs 10 yards off the line of scrimmage to start the play