More Michigan Cheating

Red_Alert said:
LOL

Let the mental gymnastics continue.

Are you on Michigan's payroll now? If so, there's a certain pesky rule to prevent teams from paying their staff to do it.
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I’m no more an institutional staff member than the people stallions asked to attend games.
 
Voltaire said:
What question would you like me to answer. I will give you a short and honest answer.

Do you expect me to make a case against Michigan? What do you have proving Michigan's guilt without hearsay or conveniently circumstantial?
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The question in this sequence: are you really comparing you as a Michigan fan wearing a Hawaii shirt and sunglasses at night to an employed Michigan analyst wearing recording glasses opposing a future Michigan opponent in a game not involving Michigan??

I expect you not to go full retard and float the idea this was all false. You have yet to give me a plausible explanation of what stallions was doing on that cmu sideline with recording glasses.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I’m no more an institutional staff member than the people stallions asked to attend games.
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Stalions attended at least one game himself. He was on Michigan's payroll as a staffer. Michigan went so far as to put him in a Central Michigan staffer costume as to maximize him blending in and going unnoticed.

He was also using Michigan payroll monies to pay for others to attend Michigan's future opponent's games for the sole purpose of videoing Michigan opponents sideline signals and subsequent plays to provide back to Stalions/Michigan.

You know.... The signals Michigan couldn't get by watching future opponents tv broadcasts. Getting those signals was probably good for at least a couple stops or a couple scores in games.
If there wasn't a benefit to attending a future opponent's games for the sole purpose of videoing their sideline signals, they likely wouldn't have schemed to break the rules. There wouldn't have been a rule.

3, 2, 1....

"tHeY wErE jUsT ThErE fOr A HoT DoG aNd A CoKe. iF tHeY ViDeOeD aLL Of TeH SiDeLiNe SiGnAlS iT WaSn'T iNtEnTiOnAL" - maze&blew
 
Red_Alert said:
Stalions attended at least one game himself. He was on Michigan's payroll as a staffer. Michigan went so far as to put him in a Central Michigan staffer costume as to maximize him blending in and going unnoticed.

He was also using Michigan payroll monies to pay for others to attend Michigan's future opponent's games for the sole purpose of videoing Michigan opponents sideline signals and subsequent plays to provide back to Stalions/Michigan.

You know.... The signals Michigan couldn't get by watching future opponents tv broadcasts. Getting those signals was probably good for at least a couple stops or a couple scores in games.
If there wasn't a benefit to attending a future opponent's games for the sole purpose of videoing their sideline signals, they likely wouldn't have schemed to break the rules. There wouldn't have been a rule.

3, 2, 1....

"tHeY wErE jUsT ThErE fOr A HoT DoG aNd A CoKe. iF tHeY ViDeOeD aLL Of TeH SiDeLiNe SiGnAlS iT WaSn'T iNtEnTiOnAL" - maze&blew
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Right. Stallions committed a few minor violations himself.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Right. Stallions committed a few minor violations himself.
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Except Stalions was on Michigan's football payroll and they were benefitting from his direct rule "violations".

LOL @ "minor" violations.

Shouldn't you have said "super" minor violations? That's maze&blew mental gymnastics 101.
 
Red_Alert said:
Except Stalions was on Michigan's football payroll and they were benefitting from his direct rule "violations".

LOL @ "minor" violations.

Shouldn't you have said "super" minor violations? That's maze&blew mental gymnastics 101.
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Show me any prior incident where in person scouting was treated as a major violation.
 
ralphiewvu said:
The question in this sequence: are you really comparing you as a Michigan fan wearing a Hawaii shirt and sunglasses at night to an employed Michigan analyst wearing recording glasses opposing a future Michigan opponent in a game not involving Michigan??

I expect you not to go full retard and float the idea this was all false. You have yet to give me a plausible explanation of what stallions was doing on that cmu sideline with recording glasses.
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No I am not comparing me to anyone … I am too old to worry about how I compare to anyone. I do not know Stallions, nor do I know that he was at a CMU game (I’ll take your word on that), or what he was doing there. If I was going to spy on another team and their signals, it would not be with a pair of recording glasses. I could do that in the stands were I would be one of thousands of smartphones with video enhancements. Recording glasses is kind of creepy (or cringe) in a perverted kind of way.

The sideline seems to be one of the worst places to do in-person scouting. With the portal, why would any team allow a person from another team to be on there sideline interacting with their players.

So basically, I have no logical, or plausible answer for you, and you appear to be an answer as well. He must be cheating!!! Why would CMU allow this?
 
Voltaire said:
No I am not comparing me to anyone … I am too old to worry about how I compare to anyone. I do not know Stallions, nor do I know that he was at a CMU game (I’ll take your word on that), or what he was doing there. If I was going to spy on another team and their signals, it would not be with a pair of recording glasses. I could do that in the stands were I would be one of thousands of smartphones with video enhancements. Recording glasses is kind of creepy (or cringe) in a perverted kind of way.
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Ohh Jesus Christ Volt, you are the one that brought up wearing another teams apparel is no big deal. I merely asked if you would be doing that while being employed as a coach at another school and you wouldn’t answer.

If I’m recording signs, thee opposing sideline (where Stallions quite literally was) is the best place to get a clear view. You and maize want to act like the Sparta army is in front of you when in actuality there’s more than likely no one. Wearing those sunglasses makes no sense unless it’s for recording.
Voltaire said:
The sideline seems to be one of the worst places to do in-person scouting. With the portal, why would any team allow a person from another team to be on there sideline interacting with their players.
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Again the opposing sideline is the best place to record signs, what the fuck are you talking about?
Voltaire said:
So basically, I have no logical, or plausible answer for you, and you appear to be an answer as well. He must be cheating!!! Why would CMU allow this?
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My answer of why an analyst for Michigan is on the sideline of a non Michigan game with recording sunglasses is plausible. You don’t have an answer because literally nothing else makes sense.

Your last question is 100% fair and I’m not going to defend that, someone from CMU should answer for allowing this. No chance no one there knew.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Ohh Jesus Christ Volt, you are the one that brought up wearing another teams apparel is no big deal. I merely asked if you would be doing that while being employed as a coach at another school and you wouldn’t answer.

If I’m recording signs, thee opposing sideline (where Stallions quite literally was) is the best place to get a clear view. You and maize want to act like the Sparta army is in front of you when in actuality there’s more than likely no one. Wearing those sunglasses makes no sense unless it’s for recording.

Again the opposing sideline is the best place to record signs, what the fuck are you talking about?

My answer of why an analyst for Michigan is on the sideline of a non Michigan game with recording sunglasses is plausible. You don’t have an answer because literally nothing else makes sense.

Your last question is 100% fair and I’m not going to defend that, someone from CMU should answer for allowing this. No chance no one there knew.
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You didn't really understand what I was saying ... you appear to be following a narrative you thinks makes you intelligent. I'll make it real simple.

- Many better vantage points then the sideline
- Glasses with cameras are very poor technology
- I never claim Michigan was innocent or guilty
- You have the burden of proof
- Why do you have a beef with Michigan? ohio state is natural, something you would understand. Nebraska is still upset about 1997 (28 years later, I understand why).
- If I was on a jury adjudicating this case, the worst scenario for Michigan would be a Hung Jury :rofl:
 
Voltaire said:
You didn't really understand what I was saying ... you appear to be following a narrative you thinks makes you intelligent. I'll make it real simple.

- Many better vantage points then the sideline
- Glasses with cameras are very poor technology
- I never claim Michigan was innocent or guilty
- You have the burden of proof
- Why do you have a beef with Michigan? ohio state is natural, something you would understand. Nebraska is still upset about 1997 (28 years later, I understand why).
- If I was on a jury adjudicating this case, the worst scenario for Michigan would be a Hung Jury :rofl:
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I understand perfectly the deflecting you want use to float the idea this never happened. It continues to make you look even dumber than you truly are.

-There is no better vantage point for recording signs than being on the opposing sideline.
-Why were glasses with cameras needed here?
-You floated an option where this is all false.
-You still have not given me a plausible explanation for what Stallions was doing there if not cheating. And considering you floated the idea it’s all false, it’s your burden to prove.
- I have a beef with Michigan fans twisting and turning this at every turn. As someone else has stated, just own the cheating, more people would respect you. But you idiots continue to find excuses.
- That’s the only way this thing is hung, if the jury had a Michigan fan on it. Because to everyone else this is plain as day.

And I'm not following any narrative, I'm using common sense and a plausible explanation for the video that was out. Something you seem to be void of here.
 
Red_Alert said:
How 'bout you stop with the mental gymnastics and show me where there was a "prior incident" where the rule was violated.
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Enjoy your L

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Big 12 reprimands Baylor coach who was on Oklahoma sideline

IRVING, Texas (AP) The Big 12 Conference issued a public reprimand Thursday against the Baylor assistant coach who was on the sideline during an Oklahoma home
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Suspended half a game. By my count, that means Stallions should be suspended for 4 full games. But since he resigned, a four game show cause should suffice.
 
Red_Alert said:
LOL

Those are not near the same things.
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in what way do they violate the rule differently? If anything that was worse because it was an actual member of the coaching staff.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
in what way do they violate the rule differently? If anything that was worse because it was an actual member of the coaching staff.
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I'd say unless that Baylor coach concocted a multi-year cheating operation costing tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars that resulted in multiple level 1 violations implicating other coaches on the staff, it's not quite the same.
 
Across The Field said:
I'd say unless that Baylor coach concocted a multi-year cheating operation costing tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars that resulted in multiple level 1 violations implicating other coaches on the staff, it's not quite the same.
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Sounds like an easy case to convict Michigan. Just ask Adam Schiff to turn over all the evidence in plain sight. I’m sure we can tie Trump to this whole thing.
 
Across The Field said:
I'd say unless that Baylor coach concocted a multi-year cheating operation costing tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars that resulted in multiple level 1 violations implicating other coaches on the staff, it's not quite the same.
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Sounds like they only found 8 instances where they could prove Stallions in person scouted a team. Again, it is not illegal for a 3rd party. 0 evidence implicating anyone on the coaching staff of this minor violation "scheme".

I keep saying it and it doesn't seem to be sinking in, there is a reason through all of these leaks there isn't a single leak that indicates the actual violations here (in person scouting) resulted in major violations. All major violations were related to repeat offender status, or not cooperating with the NCAA.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sounds like they only found 8 instances where they could prove Stallions in person scouted a team. Again, it is not illegal for a 3rd party. 0 evidence implicating anyone on the coaching staff of this minor violation "scheme".

I keep saying it and it doesn't seem to be sinking in, there is a reason through all of these leaks there isn't a single leak that indicates the actual violations here (in person scouting) resulted in major violations. All major violations were related to repeat offender status, or not cooperating with the NCAA.
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Considering how much is at stake potentially, if these violations were just "minor", why would michigan not cooperate so the investigation could just conclude and they could put it all behind them? I mean, for minor violations, the NCAA rarely if ever actually passes along major penalties, perhaps a couple scholarship reductions? Seems odd.
 
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