More Michigan Cheating

Red_Alert said:
LOL :facepalm:


No. Failure to Monitor the damn football program. You're completely backwards, but that doesn't surprise me because you don't have independent thought. You're biased.
Your material is straight off of MGOBlue type sites defending Michigan. You're a gullible sucker.

You'd have half a case (at best) if the Michigan Compliance Department had 'self reported' the illegal scouting scheme. However, they didn't.

1) The NCAA got outside word of the illegal scouting scheme.
2) The NCAA went to the Big 10 front offices and said "Look out. It looks like Michigan is using an illegal scouting scheme".
3) The Big 10 sent notification to Michigan's Big 10 opponents "Look out. It looks like Michigan is using an illegal scouting scheme."
4) The NCAA opened an investigation into Michigan's illegal scouting scheme.

Call what Michigan's Compliance Department did 'intentional' or 'unintentional', but the initial violation was "Failure To Monitor" by the Michigan Compliance Department. They've admitted to such. It is a Level II violation.

Worst case scenario here is "Lack Of Institutional Control". That has not been eliminated is a Level 1 violation.
You don't expect Michigan's lawyers to admit to "Lack of Institutional Control" do you?
They're hoping to plea bargain down to "Failure to Monitor" (The initial violation) because the penalties will be lesser.
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Rotator Cuff Surgery here, so I can't type in acceptable rate, but you guys are just making shit up. Let's see what the investigation brings up. I will be fully healed and 20 years older when that happens.
 
Maize has had some doozies in this thread but I think my favorite excuse is Volts. Because the ruling has happened in a timely enough fashion for him, Michigan didnt do Nuffin.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Maize has had some doozies in this thread but I think my favorite excuse is Volts. Because the ruling has happened in a timely enough fashion for him, Michigan didnt do Nuffin.
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Show me where I said Michigan was innocent. I said I don't know, and neither do you. If your gonna talk about me, be a man and tag me.
 
Voltaire said:
Show me where I said Michigan was innocent. I said I don't know, and neither do you. If your gonna talk about me, be a man and tag me.
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Derrrr, I never said Michigan's innocent

Voltaire said:
This whole case is like the Russian Collusion Delusion. Rumors, Lies and Non-Investigating Reporting. With ohio state playing the role of Hillary Clinton.
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Man enough for you? bitch
 
ralphiewvu said:
Derrrr, I never said Michigan's innocent



Man enough for you? bitch
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They don't even deny that they did something, the strategy is just to claim that what they did isn't cheating and that "everyone does it"

Even though everyone definitely does not do what Stallions and co were doing.

My favorite was the claims that the Coaches "didnt even know" who Stallions was. Lmao!
 
osubuckeye89 said:
They don't even deny that they did something, the strategy is just to claim that what they did isn't cheating and that "everyone does it"

Even though everyone definitely does not do what Stallions and co were doing.

My favorite was the claims that the Coaches "didnt even know" who Stallions was. Lmao!
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Remember back when maze&blew was on here regurgitating from MGoBlue that Michigan's hot shot lawyers were gonna sue the pants off the Big 10 and NCAA?
They folded like cheap lawn chairs in a matter of a couple weeks.
Now they've gone so far as admitting Michigan had "Failed to Monitor" which is a Level II violation.
That's likely a hope of a plea bargaing down from facing a "Lack of Institutional Control" which is a Level I violation.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
They don't even deny that they did something, the strategy is just to claim that what they did isn't cheating and that "everyone does it"

Even though everyone definitely does not do what Stallions and co were doing.

My favorite was the claims that the Coaches "didnt even know" who Stallions was. Lmao!
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What drew me back was @Voltaire (didnt want to not tag you) suggesting this was like Russian Collusion and this never happened. It’s like dude, we saw with our own eyes this happening. SMH
 
ralphiewvu said:
What drew me back was @Voltaire (didnt want to not tag you) suggesting this was like Russian Collusion and this never happened.
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I'm noy saying Michigan didn't cheat, I'm say that any evidence would have come out.
ralphiewvu said:
It’s like dude, we saw with our own eyes this happening. SMH
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Then you should testify. On here doesn't count. Go to the NCAA .... you're wasting time here.
 
Red_Alert said:
"TeH PuRpOsE oF TeH 'MiCHiGaN CoMpLiAnCe DePaRtMeNt' iS To MoNiToR TeH SkY" - maze&blew
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That’s not a primary violation. You can’t have a failure to monitor without another violation. By literal definition it isn’t the reason teams get in trouble, it’s something hard by the NCAA to add additional punishment to other violations. This isn’t rocket science for anyone but you.

And it’s Harbaugh, not the compliance department, that’s been given the failure to monitor (his staff) charge by the ncaa. That isn’t being directed at the institution, which is a different thing - lack of institutional control.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
This one was by Toledo in Rossford. Our other tourney must have been somewhat close to Columbus, as 5 teams were from Columbus in the tourney. That was in Tiffin. Looked like an Industrial/Farming type of town.
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I'm familiar with Rossford, I went to college with a couple of guys from there. Tiffin is closer to Toledo than Columbus, it's just east of Findlay. I played baseball there when I was younger. Pain in the ass of a town if I remember, lot of one-way streets to deal with.
 
Voltaire said:
I'm noy saying Michigan didn't cheat, I'm say that any evidence would have come out.
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You suggesting this is like Russian Collusion is exactly you saying Michigan didn’t cheat lololol
Voltaire said:
Then you should testify. On here doesn't count. Go to the NCAA .... you're wasting time here.
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I won’t argue I’m wasting my time in this thread
 
ralphiewvu said:
You suggesting this is like Russian Collusion is exactly you saying Michigan didn’t cheat lololol

I won’t argue I’m wasting my time in this thread
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Really? I’m saying you have as much evidence as Adam Schiff. I don’t know what the NCAA has. They have not shared with you or me. You appear to have MDS … leave the debate up to ohio state or Nebraska.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
That’s not a primary violation. You can’t have a failure to monitor without another violation. By literal definition it isn’t the reason teams get in trouble, it’s something hard by the NCAA to add additional punishment to other violations. This isn’t rocket science for anyone but you.

And it’s Harbaugh, not the compliance department, that’s been given the failure to monitor (his staff) charge by the ncaa. That isn’t being directed at the institution, which is a different thing - lack of institutional control.
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LOL. Do you have two brain cells to rub together? You keep implying that since Harbaugh and Stalions left, that the University Michigan is now in the clear.

The "another violation" you claim doesn't exist (i.e. The root cause) is a staffer Illegal Scouting of Future Opponents using electronic means, due to the compliance department failing to adequately monitor the football program.

"A university compliance department's failure to monitor and enforce compliance standards can lead to violations and potential penalties, particularly within athletic programs where the NCAA holds institutions accountable for their actions.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • Institutional Responsibility:
    Universities have a responsibility to monitor     and control their athletics programs, including student-athletes, coaches, and staff, to ensure compliance with NCAA rules and regulations.
  • Failure to Monitor:
    If a university fails to adequately monitor and enforce compliance, it can lead to violations, which can result in sanctions from the NCAA.

  • NCAA Enforcement:
    The NCAA Committee on Infractions (COI) can cite and sanction a university for failing to monitor its compliance with NCAA rules.
  • Personal Responsibility:
    Coaches and staff members can also be held personally responsible for failing to adequately monitor and exercise appropriate control over rules compliance.    "
 
Red_Alert said:
LOL. Do you have two brain cells to rub together? You keep implying that since Harbaugh and Stalions left, that the University Michigan is now in the clear.

The "another violation" you claim doesn't exist (i.e. The root cause) is a staffer Illegal Scouting of Future Opponents using electronic means, due to the compliance department failing to adequately monitor the football program.

"A university compliance department's failure to monitor and enforce compliance standards can lead to violations and potential penalties, particularly within athletic programs where the NCAA holds institutions accountable for their actions.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • Institutional Responsibility:
    Universities have a responsibility to monitor     and control their athletics programs, including student-athletes, coaches, and staff, to ensure compliance with NCAA rules and regulations.
  • Failure to Monitor:
    If a university fails to adequately monitor and enforce compliance, it can lead to violations, which can result in sanctions from the NCAA.
  • NCAA Enforcement:
    The NCAA Committee on Infractions (COI) can cite and sanction a university for failing to monitor its compliance with NCAA rules.
  • Personal Responsibility:
    Coaches and staff members can also be held personally responsible for failing to adequately monitor and exercise appropriate control over rules compliance.    "
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Red_Alert: Judge, I'd like to protest my ticket
Judge: I see here you were pulled over for excessive speed
Red_Alert: No, my primary offense was failure to provide proof of insurance
Judge: :facepalm:

You can't prove a university failed to enforce compliance unless the University is accused of a violation you mush brain. In this case, Stallions was accused of scouting future opponents. That is the primary violation, resulting in the NCAA accusing Harbaugh of failure to monitor his staff. A blanket rule they often apply when there might not be enough evidence to charge him directly for a rule violation - or knowledge of the underlying violation.

Stop being stupid.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Red_Alert: Judge, I'd like to protest my ticket
Judge: I see here you were pulled over for excessive speed
Red_Alert: No, my primary offense was failure to provide proof of insurance
Judge: :facepalm:

You can't prove a university failed to enforce compliance unless the University is accused of a violation you mush brain. In this case, Stallions was accused of scouting future opponents. That is the primary violation, resulting in the NCAA accusing Harbaugh of failure to monitor his staff. A blanket rule they often apply when there might not be enough evidence to charge him directly for a rule violation - or knowledge of the underlying violation.

Stop being stupid.
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LOL

You're blinded by homerism and therefore have zero comprehension of the issue. :lalala:

For your example to make any sense, the officer would have ignored my doing 110 mph in a 50 mph zone, failed a field sobriety test, but the officer let me go. The result was me getting into a massive wreck a few miles down the road. The officer is the 'compliance department'. He/she should never have let me drive off.

This is really simple and let's try this again.....

Who was responsible for Harbaugh and Stalions being in 'compliance' with NCAA by-rules?
 
Red_Alert said:
LOL

You're blinded by homerism and therefore have zero comprehension of the issue. :lalala:

For your example to make any sense, the officer would have ignored my doing 110 mph in a 50 mph zone, failed a field sobriety test, but the officer let me go. The result was me getting into a massive wreck a few miles down the road. The officer is the 'compliance department'. He/she should never have let me drive off.

This is really simple and let's try this again.....

Who was responsible for Harbaugh and Stalions being in 'compliance' with NCAA by-rules?
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Says the person who seemingly can't understand this simple issue.

Harbaugh isn't charged with any NCAA violation if Stallions doesn't go out on his own to commit other infections. Those infractions are the primary violation -- the one michigan is accused of being "Cheaters" over. Michigan isn't accused of cheating because Harbaugh is accused of failure to monitor.
 
In reply to the NCAA, Michigan's lawyers admitted that there was a "Failure to Monitor" the football program. That's their exact words, not mine.
The Michigan Compliance Department's responsibility is to..... wait for it..... ensure the football program is operating in "Compliance".
Hence them being called the "Compliance Department". LOL

"bUt HaRbAuGh aNd sTaLiOns aRe GoNe so MiChIgAn'S oFF TeH HooK" - maze&blew
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Says the person who seemingly can't understand this simple issue.

Harbaugh isn't charged with any NCAA violation if Stallions doesn't go out on his own to commit other infections. Those infractions are the primary violation -- the one michigan is accused of being "Cheaters" over. Michigan isn't accused of cheating because Harbaugh is accused of failure to monitor.
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One more time for the back of the class.....

Who was responsible for Harbaugh and Stalions being in 'compliance' with NCAA by-rules? :boink:
 
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