More Michigan Cheating

fishinabarrel said:
I just realized now MnB is in this thread like Old-timer was in that legendary ranking discussion thread.

Everyone: Michigan being investigated for sign stealing
(You posted in the wrong thread, Old-timer)

MnB : but sign stealing is legal!
(This is the discussion thread!)

Everyone: well, yeah but the way the info was gathered makes it illegal
(Well yea, but the mod moved your post over here)

MnB: no, sign stealing is legal!
(But this is the discussion thread)

Everyone: you used someone at games Michigan wasn't involved in to gather info for the signs
(So, originally your post was in the rankings thread. Which isn't allowed. A mod then moved it over to this discussion thread)

MnB: doesn't matter. Sign stealing is legal!
(My comment is in the discussion thread!)

Rinse. Repeat.
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Pick a fucking thread and be done with it!
 
Michigan found their golden sign stealing recruit

 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
One More Time.........

If, as you say, Michigan sent people to future games -- Don't you think they would have tried in the least bit to cover it up? Use common sense, something the analyst on Michigan obviously didnt have.
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They did.

They didn't use their own athletic dept budget where accounting would have caught it.
 
fishinabarrel said:
No cross country? Deals off
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I didn't even know cross country was a college sport. I thought that was something they made up in high school for kids who couldn't play a real sport.

I will throw in cross country men's and women's.
 
fishinabarrel said:
I just realized now MnB is in this thread like Old-timer was in that legendary ranking discussion thread.

Everyone: Michigan being investigated for sign stealing
(You posted in the wrong thread, Old-timer)

MnB : but sign stealing is legal!
(This is the discussion thread!)

Everyone: well, yeah but the way the info was gathered makes it illegal
(Well yea, but the mod moved your post over here)

MnB: no, sign stealing is legal!
(But this is the discussion thread)

Everyone: you used someone at games Michigan wasn't involved in to gather info for the signs
(So, originally your post was in the rankings thread. Which isn't allowed. A mod then moved it over to this discussion thread)

MnB: doesn't matter. Sign stealing is legal!
(My comment is in the discussion thread!)

Rinse. Repeat.
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Sign stealing is legal. In person scouting is illegal.

There's a discussion to be had here but there's too much trolling on both sides to actually have it. Michigan didn't commit an NCAA infraction relating to sign stealing, it's being framed that way for clicks and it absolutely is not that. If Michigan committed an NCAA violation it's in their use of in-person scouts. Now, the NCAA rules are vague at best. Which leads to the discussion part. Is it a violation of the NCAA rule to have a staff member buy tickets to give to other unaffiliated people to go to games and film them. THAT is the question in all of this. THAT is the potential violation. It certainly violates the ethics of the rule but there is, at best, ambiguity in if it actually is a violation and what are the ramifications of 1. making it a violation and 2. what would the punishments be.

This has, and will never have, anything to do with sign stealing. The "WHAT" being gathered at the game is absolutely irrelevant here. Because, in reality, what was being gathered was probably more than just information about signs.
 
EVERYONE is jumping on the Michigan bandwagon!!!!!!!!!
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sign stealing is legal. In person scouting is illegal.

There's a discussion to be had here but there's too much trolling on both sides to actually have it. Michigan didn't commit an NCAA infraction relating to sign stealing, it's being framed that way for clicks and it absolutely is not that. If Michigan committed an NCAA violation it's in their use of in-person scouts. Now, the NCAA rules are vague at best. Which leads to the discussion part. Is it a violation of the NCAA rule to have a staff member buy tickets to give to other unaffiliated people to go to games and film them. THAT is the question in all of this. THAT is the potential violation. It certainly violates the ethics of the rule but there is, at best, ambiguity in if it actually is a violation and what are the ramifications of 1. making it a violation and 2. what would the punishments be.

This has, and will never have, anything to do with sign stealing. The "WHAT" being gathered at the game is absolutely irrelevant here. Because, in reality, what was being gathered was probably more than just information about signs.
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Dude it is very clearly outlined, there is no vagueness.
 
Red_Alert said:
They did.

They didn't use their own athletic dept budget where accounting would have caught it.
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Yes. They used a personal credit card of the staff member. Sent public Venmo's for all to see. And with 1000's of pin hole size spy camera's they could have used to video tape said signs. They used the fried and true cell phone. Yet you think this order came from the top.

Good lord. If Harbaugh knew about this and is that inept in coming up with a sign stealing scheme -- Harbaugh deserves to be fired.
 
Across The Field said:
Dude it is very clearly outlined, there is no vagueness.
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There absolute is. And we discussed this yesterday. The assumption that a section applies to anyone would make it illegal for you and I to film anything at a CFB game. It would make it illegal for any "insiders" to go to games. And I think we can both agree that the section does not apply in that sense. The sub-sections very clearly mention what university affiliated staff, and the very easy assumption to argue is that the main section is then dealing with what those same staff can't do.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
The “sign stealing is legal so it shouldn’t matter how it’s done” argument is equal to arguing that drunk driving should be ok because driving is legal.
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But that isn't the argument. Sign stealing is irrelevant. Sign stealing is legal.

In person scouting by coaches is illegal, irrelevant of what information is being gathered.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sign stealing is legal. In person scouting is illegal.

There's a discussion to be had here but there's too much trolling on both sides to actually have it. Michigan didn't commit an NCAA infraction relating to sign stealing, it's being framed that way for clicks and it absolutely is not that. If Michigan committed an NCAA violation it's in their use of in-person scouts. Now, the NCAA rules are vague at best. Which leads to the discussion part. Is it a violation of the NCAA rule to have a staff member buy tickets to give to other unaffiliated people to go to games and film them. THAT is the question in all of this. THAT is the potential violation. It certainly violates the ethics of the rule but there is, at best, ambiguity in if it actually is a violation and what are the ramifications of 1. making it a violation and 2. what would the punishments be.

This has, and will never have, anything to do with sign stealing. The "WHAT" being gathered at the game is absolutely irrelevant here. Because, in reality, what was being gathered was probably more than just information about signs.
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It is related to sign stealing. Just a kissing cousin but still related.
 
ellupo said:
It is related to sign stealing. Just a kissing cousin but still related.
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Which is irrelevant in this case. And actually something we do not know. It's very likely, if true, Michigan was gathering information about everything; signs included.
 
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