More Michigan Cheating

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
All information is illegal to steal via in person scouting....THAT is my point. That doesn't make the thing they're using it for illegal. If Michigan gained information about formations in the same visits, that doesn't mean formation scouting is illegal.

The question is whether or not sending someone unaffiliated with the University counts as in person scouting.
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LOL
 
Across The Field said:
So nowhere anywhere does it say "use of illegal recording means are completely OK when illegally scouting future opponents". Thank you for clarifying.
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Of course it doesn't. Because it's fricking illegal to scout in person. The rule doesn't need to apply because the thing we're talking about doing it during is illegal.
 
Red_Alert said:
Great..

The "heading" is "Prohibited Field Equipment".

Not..... 'Prohibited Field Equipment at home stadiums"
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Can't wait until he tries to say "Stalions' and his friends were using iPhone 12's, and nowhere in the bylaw does it say anything about using that specific type of iPhone, so no violation."
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You are right -- maybe Georgia is the one team in all of CFB who doesn't try to steal the signs during a game :facepalm:
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If this helps you, from the Athletic:

Georgia coach Kirby Smart said Tuesday that while sign-stealing during games is nothing new, he had never heard about what Michigan is accused of doing: advanced scouting of future opponents to deduce their signals.

“I had never heard of anybody going to the games to watch and film and do all that stuff that that’s going on that people are talking about,” Smart said. “I don’t know anybody that’s ever done it. Or I’ve never been asked to do that as a young coach or known anybody to do that. I’ve never even heard of that.”

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“No I didn’t notice anything or know anything; nobody we talked to warned us or anything like that,” Smart said. “I think everybody we play they say, ‘They steal your signals.’ We play somebody, and they say, ‘They’re great at stealing your signals.’ But what they’re referencing (at Michigan) is different than stealing them. They’re talking about people to come and film on us. But we’ve tried to hide the signals, hold the calls, put signs up, do all that. But there’s nothing I remember about the Michigan game that makes me think that.”

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How much does Georgia do it? Not much, to hear Smart and one of his players tell it. Smart didn’t deny that it happens but indicated it wasn’t helpful, especially when he was trying to call a defense.

“As a signal-caller, when I had to call defenses, it confused me if I had to sit there and wait on somebody to tell me what they thought they got,” Smart said. “I’m trying to think about what the best call for the situation is, and you’re relying on misinformation or something that’s not very reliable.”

Georgia linebacker Jamon Dumas-Johnson was asked how much it would matter to know the offense’s signs.

“It would be huge. But I don’t think we sign steal over here,” Dumas-Johnson said. “Our preparation, our coaches doing their job, I think that’s why we’re very successful defensively the last few years. I think that goes to our preparation, the coaches doing their job. I don’t know about any sign stealing.”
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Of course it doesn't. Because it's fricking illegal to scout in person. The rule doesn't need to apply because the thing we're talking about doing it during is illegal.
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Where exactly are you getting this information? NCAA rules are always very detailed. You are trying to say this one is not because it doesn't need to be in writing?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
All information is illegal to steal via in person scouting....THAT is my point. That doesn't make the thing they're using it for illegal. If Michigan gained information about formations in the same visits, that doesn't mean formation scouting is illegal.

The question is whether or not sending someone unaffiliated with the University counts as in person scouting.
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Nope, you have admitted that you are wrong and we are right. Move along. You've already wasted enough time. Now you admit what we've been saying all along.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
If this helps you, from the Athletic:

Georgia coach Kirby Smart said Tuesday that while sign-stealing during games is nothing new, he had never heard about what Michigan is accused of doing: advanced scouting of future opponents to deduce their signals.

“I had never heard of anybody going to the games to watch and film and do all that stuff that that’s going on that people are talking about,” Smart said. “I don’t know anybody that’s ever done it. Or I’ve never been asked to do that as a young coach or known anybody to do that. I’ve never even heard of that.”

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“No I didn’t notice anything or know anything; nobody we talked to warned us or anything like that,” Smart said. “I think everybody we play they say, ‘They steal your signals.’ We play somebody, and they say, ‘They’re great at stealing your signals.’ But what they’re referencing (at Michigan) is different than stealing them. They’re talking about people to come and film on us. But we’ve tried to hide the signals, hold the calls, put signs up, do all that. But there’s nothing I remember about the Michigan game that makes me think that.”

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How much does Georgia do it? Not much, to hear Smart and one of his players tell it. Smart didn’t deny that it happens but indicated it wasn’t helpful, especially when he was trying to call a defense.

“As a signal-caller, when I had to call defenses, it confused me if I had to sit there and wait on somebody to tell me what they thought they got,” Smart said. “I’m trying to think about what the best call for the situation is, and you’re relying on misinformation or something that’s not very reliable.”

Georgia linebacker Jamon Dumas-Johnson was asked how much it would matter to know the offense’s signs.

“It would be huge. But I don’t think we sign steal over here,” Dumas-Johnson said. “Our preparation, our coaches doing their job, I think that’s why we’re very successful defensively the last few years. I think that goes to our preparation, the coaches doing their job. I don’t know about any sign stealing.”
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That’s exactly what Kirby would say if he were guilty.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
During games, that your team is hosting. The entire thing has to do with the responsibility and legality for the home field team in what they can and cannot do.

If Michigan broke an NCAA rule, it's in person scouting. It isn't double illegal because he used a phone to do it.
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Yes it is and I told you why on the previous page.

That you can't accept it is your problem.

Michigan is also gonna get nailed for using "Prohibited Field Equipment" while illegally doing in-person scouting of a future opponent.
 
If'in ya aint cheatin' ya aint trying hard enuff'!
 
Wild Turkey said:
Georgia head coach Kirby Smart is asked directly about the reports about Michigan stealing signs.

Smart: "There's nothing I remember about the Michigan game that makes me think that [happened]"

Ouch
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See my quotes above.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
We've got him right where we want him now
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You wanted him at back 2 back champion, having kicked your ass even when you stole the signals? That's exactly where you wanted him? If you would have cheated better - maybe scouted TCU so you didn't lose to the team we beat 65-7. Sheesh ... you are double losers - you are cheaters and you suck at cheating.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
During games, that your team is hosting. The entire thing has to do with the responsibility and legality for the home field team in what they can and cannot do.

If Michigan broke an NCAA rule, it's in person scouting. It isn't double illegal because he used a phone to do it.
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Suspended Michigan staffer reportedly bought tickets to non-Big Ten games, too​

Updated Oct. 24, 2023 9:13 p.m. ET
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NCAA rules don't prohibit teams from stealing signs. However, there are rules against using electronic equipment to record an opponent's signals. The NCAA also prohibits teams from scouting future opponents in person, with NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1 stating: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." The rule was put into place in 1994 because not every school had the finances to do it.

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Suspended Michigan staffer reportedly bought tickets to non-Big Ten games, too | FOX Sports

The suspended Michigan football staffer at the center of the alleged sign-stealing scandal reportedly also bought tickets for games outside the Big Ten.
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WhosYourDawggy said:
You have a reading comprehension problem. It is fine to try and steal during a game. That's not what is alleged here. For someone who kept trying to explain to us all day yesterday what the issues are, it's funny you don't seem to get it. No other team has a guy like this guy who had an operation of attending games of future opponents for the purpose of video-taping the sidelines so that they could create signal charts. That's because that's not allowed for a variety of reasons. So, no, we don't have one of those guys who is cheating his ass off.
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If you have read what I wrote OVER AND OVER. I said everyone has a guy whose job on the sidelines is to try and steal signs DURING THE GAME. I said, what this guy did is wrong and IF it is found that Harbaugh knew of it or encouraged it -- he should be fired.

I think the SEC short video sums it up perfectly. It is a joke to think any major program would be aware of a staffer doing such a thing and BLANTANTLY leave a paper trail of ticket purchases with HIS OWN PERSONAL CREDIT CARD, public venmo payments, while not using a hidden high def camera to get video, but instead using a cell phone.

If this was some elaborate scheme put on by Harbaugh and Michigan -- don't you think they would have even slightly tried to hide it? This would be like back in the day -- when teams had bag men paying players, instead of cash, they would send it to them on their public Venmo and write underneath it, "payment to attend University of 'fill in the blank'".

What has come out thus far screams Harbaugh knew nothing about this, as nothing was done to even try to hide it. That being said -- Harbaugh is the one responsible for his staff, so if he hired this moron, he will be punished for it.
 
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