More Michigan Cheating

[Across The Field]

The game they posted video of -- Ohio State already said they had all new signs. And use common sense -- you think dozens of players jumping up and down could even hear a discussion between the coaches standing next to each other over the crowd noise?!?! Or are you insinuating that THE ENTIRE TEAM knew all the signals and they all called it out at the same time?!?!

One -- there isn't a dozen players jumping up and down. The players are pointing up.

Two -- What that means is nothing more than a guess on my part, but I'd assume it is either a defensive play call or they believe it will be a pass. As I said -- that is nothing more than an assumption on my part, just like the assumptions everyone is making from the clip.

Again -- this stuff is going on all the time on the sidelines the entire game. The play calls are coming in at the last second on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. On the clip you are talking about -- you literally see OSU come to the line, then look to the sideline for the play call. Guess what the defense will do once the offense changes formations?!?! They send a play call in from the sideline too.

I swear -- some of the comments from people on this site makes me wonder if they have ever seen a football field before other than on TV. If you go to a game anytime soon -- even a high school game -- watch the sidelines. You will see much of the same.

An unnamed OSU source said they "changed things up", which can mean one of many different things. Nobody from OSU has been quoted saying "we had all new signs". However do you really think that in that short of a time they took their entire array of signs, threw it all away, and devised a brand new, completely different set of brand new, unused signs? If that's true, it would definitely explain how the game went. Dudes probably didn't know what half the signs were because they had to memorize all new ones on the fly since michigan sent a cheater to illegally steal them.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Exactly, this is way too coordinated for it to be just some guy acting on his own. They really want us to believe that he just handed the coaches this stuff and they took it and used it without asking any questions. Lol.

What the hell was coordinated about it? The guy was using his personal credit card, while paying people with his public venmo account. That is coordinated to you?!?!?!

 

[Wild Turkey]

Seriously is it too early to throw out the lack of institutional control?

It seems like the entire organization was involved in sanctioned illegal activity.

 

[Across The Field]

OF COURSE every program tries to steal signs. You literally have head coaches coming out and saying exactly that.

Saying everyone is talking about this now because no one does this, would be like Alabama getting caught paying a player before NIL. EVERYONE would be talking about it, even the schools who do the exact same thing. Or are you going to say, prior to NIL, no players received money from schools now?

This is being talked about because it is a high profile program and it is the current scandal. It has nothing to do with it being unique. It happens at every level, in many different sports. Same thing happens in baseball too (See Houston Astros)

Apples to oranges there pal. You had improper benefits scandals happening left and right for decades. Never, not one single time, can I think of another team - elite, mid-major, FCS, anything - that had an employee buying dozens of tickets to games of future opponents, illegally recording everything they did on their sideline, then relaying the information they illegally obtained to the coaching staff to use against those teams when they faced them.

Trying to steal signs? Sure. However, no, nobody else is doing what michigan did.

 

[Wild Turkey]

What the hell was coordinated about it? The guy was using his personal credit card, while paying people with his public venmo account. That is coordinated to you?!?!?!

They made a fucking chart and were dumb enough to get photographed with it. Betting sites are pulling your lines off the boards. This ain't a simple rouge super fan problem.

Besides, get your damn picks in or you're fired.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

This is being talked about because it is a high profile program and it is the current scandal

Yeah, and also because the high profile program is cheating, sucked ass before cheating and miraculously started kicking ass once they started cheating.

4,351 days since UoM legitimately beat tOSU.

 

[Across The Field]

Seriously is it too early to throw out the lack of institutional control?

It seems like the entire organization was involved in sanctioned illegal activity.

That's been thrown around a few different times, and if it turns out michigan's coaching staff was in fact in on it, that's a very real possibility.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

An unnamed OSU source said they "changed things up", which can mean one of many different things. Nobody from OSU has been quoted saying "we had all new signs". However do you really think that in that short of a time they took their entire array of signs, threw it all away, and devised a brand new, completely different set of brand new, unused signs? If that's true, it would definitely explain how the game went. Dudes probably didn't know what half the signs were because they had to memorize all new ones on the fly since michigan sent a cheater to illegally steal them.

For the love of god -- teams change their signs on a game to game basis. They change the indicators used, they change who is sending in the actual signs and who is sending decoy signals.

In case you didn't know -- That is why you have 2, 3, 4 different people sending signals from the sideline. It is also the same reason you have teams who use signs, they hold up 2, 3, 4 signs, as well as have a guy doing signals on the sideline.

The bold part is a new excuse for you to use.

 

[osubuckeye89]

They made a fucking chart and were dumb enough to get photographed with it. Betting sites are pulling your lines off the boards. This ain't a simple rouge super fan problem.

Besides, get your damn picks in or you're fired.

Yep this is going to transcend the NCAA.

You can bet the B1G is pissed too, they are liable to hand out their own punishment before the NCAA does.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Yeah, and also because the high profile program is cheating, sucked ass before cheating and miraculously started kicking ass once they started cheating.

4,351 days since UoM legitimately beat tOSU.

I'd say scoring 90 points and putting up over 1,000 yards of offense says OSU was legitimately beaten

Can't wait to add to that total this year.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The game they posted video of -- Ohio State already said they had all new signs. And use common sense -- you think dozens of players jumping up and down could even hear a discussion between the coaches standing next to each other over the crowd noise?!?! Or are you insinuating that THE ENTIRE TEAM knew all the signals and they all called it out at the same time?!?!

One -- there isn't a dozen players jumping up and down. The players are pointing up.

Two -- What that means is nothing more than a guess on my part, but I'd assume it is either a defensive play call or they believe it will be a pass. As I said -- that is nothing more than an assumption on my part, just like the assumptions everyone is making from the clip.

Again -- this stuff is going on all the time on the sidelines the entire game. The play calls are coming in at the last second on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. On the clip you are talking about -- you literally see OSU come to the line, then look to the sideline for the play call. Guess what the defense will do once the offense changes formations?!?! They send a play call in from the sideline too.

I swear -- some of the comments from people on this site makes me wonder if they have ever seen a football field before other than on TV. If you go to a game anytime soon -- even a high school game -- watch the sidelines. You will see much of the same.

I want you to watch the video below. This is a pre-planned operation that involves multiple coaches, analysts, and then players. Yes, they are pointing up on this one, and probably yelling something out as well. You will see there are dozens of players standing around this group doing this. It isn't the entire team, but it is a lot of them ... count them if you want and there are well over a dozen doing it. The coaches clearly look at the other sideline, not at the positioning of the O players, and then when Stallion signals up - point up - everyone else does this.

If you think exactly this happens all the time, then it is you who knows nothing about CFB. Yes, we all know that most teams watch formations and then adjust. But rarely from just looking at a formation can you make calls like they did with such certainty of knowing what is coming. Even when you hear the sideling yelling pass or run, it's not until the snap. You may know by formation what the play "may" be, but you can't look at a formation and immediately yell "pass" - that would be idiotic as most teams can run multiple plays out of any formation and there would be both pass and run options to each formation.

You have to be a Michigan fan to look at that video and think they are watching the formation and not the other side's signals. You are so desperate to make this nothing that you are just making shit up at this point.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I'd say scoring 90 points and putting up over 1,000 yards of offense says OSU was legitimately beaten

Can't wait to add to that total this year.

Not with all the cheating.

I wonder if UoM will have a football program when it's time for The Game this year.

 

[Wild Turkey]

That's been thrown around a few different times, and if it turns out michigan's coaching staff was in fact in on it, that's a very real possibility.

I'm going to be honest with you here in that you really don't want that. The B1G needs a strong Michigan to help carry ratings and a bad Michigan team doesn't pull worth a shit.

Look at this year's ratings and the B1G games of interest have been light as hell it is all tOSU and Michigan. Oregon and Washington will initially help with this issue but if Michigan gets hammered and takes several years to recover it's not good for your league.

 

[Across The Field]

For the love of god -- teams change their signs on a game to game basis. They change the indicators used, they change who is sending in the actual signs and who is sending decoy signals.

In case you didn't know -- That is why you have 2, 3, 4 different people sending signals from the sideline. It is also the same reason you have teams who use signs, they hold up 2, 3, 4 signs, as well as have a guy doing signals on the sideline.

The bold part is a new excuse for you to use.

OK Captain Varsity Jacket, tell me with that incredible wealth of football knowledge you keep saying nobody else has - why was michigan doing this? If what you're saying is true, why the hell would they have a guy spending thousands of dollars over multiple years doing what he was doing if it offered no competitive advantage? Can you actually answer that?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Yep this is going to transcend the NCAA.

You can bet the B1G is pissed too, they are liable to hand out their own punishment before the NCAA does.

I've said before in this thread ... UM should be more worried about the B1G and the CFP. The NCAA can't act fast enough for this year, but the B1G and the CFP may. Imagine letting them in the CFP, they miraculously win, and then next year they get that stripped for what they did here.

 

[Red_Alert]

If you have read what I wrote OVER AND OVER. I said everyone has a guy whose job on the sidelines is to try and steal signs DURING THE GAME. I said, what this guy did is wrong and IF it is found that Harbaugh knew of it or encouraged it -- he should be fired.

I think the SEC short video sums it up perfectly. It is a joke to think any major program would be aware of a staffer doing such a thing and BLANTANTLY leave a paper trail of ticket purchases with HIS OWN PERSONAL CREDIT CARD, public venmo payments, while not using a hidden high def camera to get video, but instead using a cell phone.

If this was some elaborate scheme put on by Harbaugh and Michigan -- don't you think they would have even slightly tried to hide it? This would be like back in the day -- when teams had bag men paying players, instead of cash, they would send it to them on their public Venmo and write underneath it, "payment to attend University of 'fill in the blank'".

What has come out thus far screams Harbaugh knew nothing about this, as nothing was done to even try to hide it. That being said -- Harbaugh is the one responsible for his staff, so if he hired this moron, he will be punished for it.

The claim by the 'friend' of Stalions is that what was going on was 'not to be discussed with Harbaugh', whatever that means.

It doesn't mean Harbaugh didn't know about it, just that it wasn't to be discussed with him by Stalions.

I don't think it even matters because Harbaugh is responsible for Institutional Control so he's likely to be held accountable by someone in higher echelons.

 

[ellupo]

What the hell was coordinated about it? The guy was using his personal credit card, while paying people with his public venmo account. That is coordinated to you?!?!?!

Im curious if he got reimbursed for all these tickets. They are expensive.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I've said before in this thread ... UM should be more worried about the B1G and the CFP. The NCAA can't act fast enough for this year, but the B1G and the CFP may. Imagine letting them in the CFP, they miraculously win, and then next year they get that stripped for what they did here.

The B1G might make them forfeit the rest of the season if it really is bad enough. Don't want a compromised finish to the year.

 

[Across The Field]

I'm going to be honest with you here in that you really don't want that. The B1G needs a strong Michigan to help carry ratings and a bad Michigan team doesn't pull worth a shit.

Look at this year's ratings and the B1G games of interest have been light as hell it is all tOSU and Michigan. Oregon and Washington will initially help with this issue but if Michigan gets hammered and takes several years to recover it's not good for your league.

The B1G could truly not give a shit less about that. Ohio State is still their golden goose and that's not changing. Adding the teams from the Pac12 only strengthens it. The B1G has had a mediocre/bad michigan program for over half of this century and just kept getting richer.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

OF COURSE every program tries to steal signs. You literally have head coaches coming out and saying exactly that.

Saying everyone is talking about this now because no one does this, would be like Alabama getting caught paying a player before NIL. EVERYONE would be talking about it, even the schools who do the exact same thing. Or are you going to say, prior to NIL, no players received money from schools now?

This is being talked about because it is a high profile program and it is the current scandal. It has nothing to do with it being unique. It happens at every level, in many different sports. Same thing happens in baseball too (See Houston Astros)

Here we go again ... "everyone does it." No, everyone does not go to other games and try and steal signs. This is being talked about exactly because no one has an operation like UM had. Yes, everyone tries to figure out signals in-game, but no one does what UM has done. You can make yourself feel good by insisting otherwise, but you are just being a homer.