More Michigan Cheating

[Across The Field]

700+ yards rushing and 12 touchdowns -- they call that imposing their will on Ohio Soft. That is what happens when a defense KNOWS what is coming and simply cannot stop it. That is called physicality and toughness. I wouldn't expect an Ohio Soft fan to understand that.

Sherrone Moore has as many wins against Ohio Soft while never being a Head Coach as Ryan Day has against Michigan in 5 years. Think about how utterly embarrassing that is.

I mean, you had to cheat to beat him. Why did you have to do that? Why weren't you able to beat us before Stallions?

 

[Across The Field]

When sarcastically calling someone a genius, you might want to get your facts correct. It really makes you look like a complete dumbass.

LOL I completely missed that part, good catch. I don't tend to read most of his posts.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Also lol @ Stallions lawyer claiming someone illegally obtained Stallions "personal info" and they "believe Ohio State was involved"

We are back to this shit.

Talk about a risky deflection, someone is about to get sued if they aren't careful.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Also lol @ Stallions lawyer claiming someone illegally obtained Stallions "personal info" and they "believe Ohio State was involved"

We are back to this shit.

Talk about a risky deflection, someone is about to get sued if they aren't careful.

We knew this from the start. Ohio State is full of criminals. Illegally hacking an American Hero.

 

[osubuckeye89]

We knew this from the start. Ohio State is full of criminals. Illegally hacking an American Hero.

If there was any real proof that Ohio State did anything like this they woulda flung it out already, why would you keep sitting on such juicy info that would take the heat off of you if you are Michigan?

 

[Across The Field]

Also lol @ Stallions lawyer claiming someone illegally obtained Stallions "personal info" and they "believe Ohio State was involved"

We are back to this shit.

Talk about a risky deflection, someone is about to get sued if they aren't careful.

Jeremy Birmingham put it perfectly - "In all sincerity my favorite part is a guy saying he memorized thousands of signs but couldn't remember whether or not he was at a specific football game...after earlier recounting all the games he'd been to."

 

[osubuckeye89]

Jeremy Birmingham put it perfectly - "In all sincerity my favorite part is a guy saying he memorized thousands of signs but couldn't remember whether or not he was at a specific football game...after earlier recounting all the games he'd been to."

Lol yea like I said, not only is he a liar, he's a very bad liar.

Nobody believes him outside of retarded Michigan fans.

Even the media is starting to turn on him now, remember at first they played it off as just "good gamesmanship"?

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www.nytimes.com

His only tangible impact on the program, though, will be whatever NCAA sanctions come Michigan’s way. Stalions will almost certainly receive a show-cause order that precludes him from working in college football again anytime soon.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Stallions is a loon who's whole life was Michigan football basically, of course he's going to claim he was a lone wolf and not throw the program under the bus.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

We aren't talking about laws. We're talking about rules. And how "agency" is regulated in the rule of law is entirely different than how it's regulated within an organization like the NCAA. The NCAA is an organization with rules that all of these schools and universities have agreed upon. Things not listed are legal. This is how Harbaugh got away with satellite camps as ways to get around recruiting regulations; until the NCAA changed the rules. The NCAA does, in fact, have to define every single broad instance.

The NCAA does regulate agency -- which is why there's a whole section around boosters, definitions on who counts as university employees, boosters, ect. And regulates their actions, especially around recruiting. It's why I, as a defined University booster, couldn't (5 years ago) offer a recruit $50k to attend Michigan.

The NCAA rule says institutional employees are regulated in how they scout teams and it even goes as far as to define institutional employees. That definition does not include private contracts between an individual associated with the institution and one who isn't - or simply acquaintances performing this; nor does the rule attempt to regulate that. Which is why, to this day, I (as a defined university booster) can go to a Georgia game, record all the signals, even scout Georgia to the best of my abilities, and give that information over to every single team in the SEC. This is legal for the same reason that having any third party scout a team, is legal.

Now this is a clear loophole that the NCAA might argue against, and even issue rule violations over. Like I said, Michigan could fight it if it comes to that - but my guess is that they're going to say these are secondary violations, Michigan is going to accept that as the lesser of two evils and move on with the minor punishment for those "violations". After which, the NCAA will modify the rule to be more clear (or we'll see in person scouting become legal).

Agency is a legal concept, but it is also one in any organization that has rules. How you can't see this is amazing.

To take your stance to an extreme, you are saying that I could set up a company that would do advanced, in-person scouting, including videotaping of UGA's opposing teams. You believe I could do that and that UGA could hire me to do so, provide them the video, they pay me, and because I am a third party, UGA would not be in violation of the rules. How fucking dumb can you be? Don't answer that ...

Change it to recruiting. You are saying that I could recruit for non-UGA/Vandy schools, go out and meet with parents and recruits with no limitations, during dead periods, as often as I want, offer money, entice them to go the school, and could have all my expenses paid and get a fee, but because I am a third party that wouldn't be a violation. SMMFH.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Exactly, you can find any opinion you want from someone who has nothing better to do with their time than post on X. Is Michigan guilty of violating antiquated and moronic NCAA policies ... probably. Is Harbaugh guilty of buying a prospective recruit a cheeseburger (@WhosYourDawggy this is a euphemism for whatever in the fuck nominal thing Harbaugh bought ... probably.

235 pages and this stupid fucking thread continues, and my dumbass keeps on reading (which is pretty moronic.

If your team has ever committed an intentional Pass Interference ... your team is guilty of cheating as well. The bus is big.

You still don't get it ... Harbaugh received one of the most serious penalties ever in NCAA history. He was suspended three games, then suspended again for a year, and a four-year show-cause. That's not because he bought a recruit something nominal. He met with multiple recruits during a dead period and then continuously lied to the NCAA investigators when they had reams for proof that he was lying.

You are a reasonable poster here, but you either don't understand what just happened, or you just don't want to admit it. The penalties of the "cheeseburger" incident where antiquated, moronic, or nominal.

 

[Codaxx]

You still don't get it ... Harbaugh received one of the most serious penalties ever in NCAA history. He was suspended three games, then suspended again for a year, and a four-year show-cause. That's not because he bought a recruit something nominal. He met with multiple recruits during a dead period and then continuously lied to the NCAA investigators when they had reams for proof that he was lying.

You are a reasonable poster here, but you either don't understand what just happened, or you just don't want to admit it. The penalties of the "cheeseburger" incident were antiquated, moronic, or nominal.

harbaugh got hammered, because he is a dick. Lots of little infractions, but his continual middle finger to the NCAA pissed them off. That maybe his only likable trait

 

[osubuckeye89]

Agency is a legal concept, but it is also one in any organization that has rules. How you can't see this is amazing.

To take your stance to an extreme, you are saying that I could set up a company that would do advanced, in-person scouting, including videotaping of UGA's opposing teams. You believe I could do that and that UGA could hire me to do so, provide them the video, they pay me, and because I am a third party, UGA would not be in violation of the rules. How fucking dumb can you be? Don't answer that ...

Change it to recruiting. You are saying that I could recruit for non-UGA/Vandy schools, go out and meet with parents and recruits with no limitations, during dead periods, as often as I want, offer money, entice them to go the school, and could have all my expenses paid and get a fee, but because I am a third party that wouldn't be a violation. SMMFH.

The argument they are using is basically the equivalent of someone hiring a hitman to kill someone, getting caught and then saying "well yea I hired them but I didn't actually kill anyone myself so I've committed no crime" as their defense.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Agency is a legal concept, but it is also one in any organization that has rules. How you can't see this is amazing.

To take your stance to an extreme, you are saying that I could set up a company that would do advanced, in-person scouting, including videotaping of UGA's opposing teams. You believe I could do that and that UGA could hire me to do so, provide them the video, they pay me, and because I am a third party, UGA would not be in violation of the rules. How fucking dumb can you be? Don't answer that ...

Change it to recruiting. You are saying that I could recruit for non-UGA/Vandy schools, go out and meet with parents and recruits with no limitations, during dead periods, as often as I want, offer money, entice them to go the school, and could have all my expenses paid and get a fee, but because I am a third party that wouldn't be a violation. SMMFH.

Michigan hired no one. That's where your arguments falls through. If Michigan hires a 3rd party, they become institutional staff members by NCAA definition. Stallions getting his cousin to sit in games and provide him video, is not that.

And no, you can't do that in recruiting -- because in recruiting boosters are specifically called out. You would qualify as a booster.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

harbaugh got hammered, because he is a dick. Lots of little infractions, but his continual middle finger to the NCAA pissed them off. That maybe his only likable trait

How many times do I have to type this - he had major infractions and lied, repeatedly, to the NCAA about them. Sure, they hate him because he is a POS shit cheater and lier. But, you can't meet with prospects during the dead period, and then lie, repeatedly. You are making this harder than it needs to be.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Michigan hired no one. That's where your arguments falls through. If Michigan hires a 3rd party, they become institutional staff members. Stallion getting his cousin to sit in games and provide him video, is not that.

And no, you can't do that in recruiting -- because in recruiting boosters are specifically called out. You would qualify as a booster.

You can't read, dimwit. I specifically said for non-UGA/Vandy teams, for which I would not be a booster. Per your argument, ic an do that. SMH.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You can't read, dimwit. I specifically said for non-UGA/Vandy teams, for which I would not be a booster. Per your argument, ic an do that. SMH.

And in that scenario the recruit would be in violation, not necessarily you (because that's specifically called out)...You can do whatever you want in that scenario and no school would be in violation; the recruit would

 

[osubuckeye89]

You can't read, dimwit. I specifically said for non-UGA/Vandy teams, for which I would not be a booster. Per your argument, ic an do that. SMH.

You are arguing with a guy who thinks it's normal for "low level staffers" to be standing next to coaches (and also wearing communications gear) during games giving them game plan advice.

 

[osubuckeye89]

harbaugh got hammered, because he is a dick. Lots of little infractions, but his continual middle finger to the NCAA pissed them off. That maybe his only likable trait

If Harbaugh wasn't a total fucking weirdo and woulda just said "yea that happened, sorry!" he probably woulda gotten a slap on the wrist for the recruiting stuff. You know like everyone else now who just admits they did it?

 

[osubuckeye89]

Funny how now these "Michigan Men" who have claimed only operate with the highest integrity, are defending blatant lying.

Another case point that the whole "Michigan Man" persona has always been complete bullshit.

 

[RobBase]