More Michigan Cheating

fordman84 said:
Don't hold back, let it all out. Does it suck because everyone just rolls their eyes when you try to talk about your natty to them? Maybe you and the Astros can form a support group.
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Doesn't suck at all, as I know without a question that it eats away at Ohio fans, even more than the fact they haven't beaten us since 2019.

One day they will get to the top of the mountain like Michigan.
 
Across The Field said:
"Hey guys, you know the generation that eats tide pods and is destroying their health at a young age inhaling insanely toxic chemicals because they taste like synthetic strawberry cheesecake? They think Ohio is cringey!"

Good. They're the most retarded generation to ever grace our country.
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The entire country agrees with what Michigan residents have known for a long, long time.

O-H :pound: :pound:
 
Red_Alert said:
Likely 60,000.

Are you implying said 60,000 fans watching their favorite team live were specifically sent to record sideline signals with intent to send them to one or the other team's future opponents?

That would be a level of mental gymnastics even maze&blew would be proud of.
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This post is not to absolve Michigan of anything or any kind of excuse.:

In-Person scouting and in-helmet electronic communication are long overdue. There probably are many stupid NCAA rules.

Again not meant to be an excuse.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
The entire country agrees with what Michigan residents have known for a long, long time.

O-H :pound: :pound:
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Even as reigning champs, I imagine if you went out on the streets and asked random people which program has been more successful recently the vast majority of people are going to say Ohio St.
 
Voltaire said:
This post is not to absolve Michigan of anything or any kind of excuse.:

In-Person scouting and in-helmet electronic communication are long overdue. There probably are many stupid NCAA rules.

Again not meant to be an excuse.
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In-helmet communications was the NCAA's answer to Michigan's breaking of the In-person Scouting of Future Opponents AND using electronic devices to scout rule.

They jumped on it quick and that alone should tell you how serious they see the violation as.

With In-helmet Communications now being permitted, there is no longer a need for a similar Stalions type elaborate sign stealing scheme as it were.
However, I'd bet the NCAA doesn't remove the ban on In-person Scouting of Future Opponents. If anything they'll amend the rules to add something to do with prohibiting the interception and decoding of In-helmet Communications. Because, you know..... If they don't.
 
Red_Alert said:
In-helmet communications was the NCAA's answer to Michigan's breaking of the In-person Scouting of Future Opponents AND using electronic devices to scout rule.

They jumped on it quick and that alone should tell you how serious they see the violation as.

With In-helmet Communications now being permitted, there is no longer a need for a similar Stalions type elaborate sign stealing scheme as it were.
However, I'd bet the NCAA doesn't remove the ban on In-person Scouting of Future Opponents. If anything they'll amend the rules to add something to do with prohibiting the interception and decoding of In-helmet Communications. Because, you know..... If they don't.
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100% no hacking in on encrypted communication.
 
fordman84 said:
Even as reigning champs, I imagine if you went out on the streets and asked random people which program has been more successful recently the vast majority of people are going to say Ohio St.
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Absolutely ... just look at the records and head to head matchups.
 
fordman84 said:
Guess you just don't admit the computer hacking and child pron happened?
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We're not sure how that plays into this, or if it does at all. That's sick (the child pron) and is beyond sports.
 
Red_Alert said:
You are confusing a "Lack of Institutional Control" (an incident) with a "Pattern of Noncompliance" (years of incidents).
They are not one in the same.

Michigan is facing both separately.
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Both are related to multiple violations relating to non compliance. One is not compliance during two incidents, two incidents back to back = lack of institutional control. Which we're not even sure is in there yet.
 
fordman84 said:
Even as reigning champs, I imagine if you went out on the streets and asked random people which program has been more successful recently the vast majority of people are going to say Ohio St.
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They've had a better 20 years, no doubt. From 2000-2020 they had an elite run, two national titles, a ton of B10 titles, very few seasons without 10 wins.

Michigan has just had a better run the last 3 years.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Both are related to multiple violations relating to non compliance. One is not compliance during two incidents, two incidents back to back = lack of institutional control. Which we're not even sure is in there yet.
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An elaborate/multi-year In-person Scouting of Future Opponents scheme is indeed a Lack of Institutional Control all by itself.

That being said, as others have pointed out, it has to be bad for Michigan. If it weren't bad then Michigan would have leaked the Notice of Allegations not only to ease concerns of their fans, but to shut up any conspiracy theorists in the media or general public.

Being a public university, I'd guess there are already FOIA requests for it.

Just like this past week, we'll be back eventually to tell you "I told you so".
 
Voltaire said:
Absolutely ... just look at the records and head to head matchups.
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average fans won't know records or head to head matchups. But they know they always hear about tOSU and only hear about UM every so often.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
We're not sure how that plays into this, or if it does at all. That's sick (the child pron) and is beyond sports.
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It plays in because it was UM staff looking at it on UM computers and likely on UM property.
 
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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Both are related to multiple violations relating to non compliance. One is not compliance during two incidents, two incidents back to back = lack of institutional control. Which we're not even sure is in there yet.
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What do you call it if your coaching staff is running a "scouting" system that is against the rules, widespread, school funded, and benefits the team but the HC and AD don't know a thing about it?

That in and of itself is a lack of institutional control. The "institution" is literally breaking major rules in a major way and no one supposedly knows it is going on.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
They've had a better 20 years, no doubt. From 2000-2020 they had an elite run, two national titles, a ton of B10 titles, very few seasons without 10 wins.

Michigan has just had a better run the last 3 years.
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Crazy how out of nowhere...BAM...the school goes from irrelevant to "can't miss the playoffs" and ODDLY ENOUGH there happens to be these improper recruiting visits + computer hacking of opponents + advanced in person scouting of opponents that appears to have started about 4 years ago.

I get it that you are happy that you won and you should be, but don't blow smoke up everyones asses and pretend you did it fair and square. Embraced that you cheated your fucking asses off, won the championship, and now will get punished back into the doldrums for probably another 20 years.
 
fordman84 said:
What do you call it if your coaching staff is running a "scouting" system that is against the rules, widespread, school funded, and benefits the team but the HC and AD don't know a thing about it?

That in and of itself is a lack of institutional control. The "institution" is literally breaking major rules in a major way and no one supposedly knows it is going on.
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A minor procedural violation. But it wasn’t school funded. Nor attached to any coach.
 
fordman84 said:
Crazy how out of nowhere...BAM...the school goes from irrelevant to "can't miss the playoffs" and ODDLY ENOUGH there happens to be these improper recruiting visits + computer hacking of opponents + advanced in person scouting of opponents that appears to have started about 4 years ago.

I get it that you are happy that you won and you should be, but don't blow smoke up everyones asses and pretend you did it fair and square. Embraced that you cheated your fucking asses off, won the championship, and now will get punished back into the doldrums for probably another 20 years.
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It wasn’t out of nowhere. Michigan was good almost the instant Harbaugh got here.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It wasn’t out of nowhere. Michigan was good almost the instant Harbaugh got here.
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Tied for the top seed in the B1G what, once in his first 6 years? Then couldn't miss or be beat. So strange...
 
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