More Michigan Cheating

fun fact. 0% of our coaching staff was involved in cheating.

:facepalm:

If they were benefitting in any way from Stalions illegal scouting of future opponents scheme, then they were involved in cheating.

i.e. They were using the illegally obtained data to game prep against said opponents, and using it during the actual games against said opponents.

This is common sense stuff.
 
The same could be said for all the Michigan fans repeating "Michigan is not guilty Michigan is not guilty Michigan is not guilty"
… and you’ve never heard me say that. I may have said the infractions appear minor, and ohio state was aware of of the alleged infractions (better than anyone on this site) … still they were unable to defeat Michigan in 2023 & 2024. That, sir, is a fact.
 
:facepalm:

If they were benefitting in any way from Stalions illegal scouting of future opponents scheme, then they were involved in cheating.

i.e. They were using the illegally obtained data to game prep against said opponents, and using it during the actual games against said opponents.

This is common sense stuff.
Exactly when was this cheating discovered, and exactly, what was Michigan doing?
 
Exactly when was this cheating discovered, and exactly, what was Michigan doing?

"when was this cheating discovered"

Just prior to the NCAA sending warning to the Big 10 that Michigan was using a staffer (or staffers) to in person scout future opponents using electronic means to do so, in violation of NCAA by-laws.

"and exactly, what was Michigan doing?"

Using a Michigan staffer (or staffers) to in person scout future opponents using electronic means in violation of NCAA by-laws.
 
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"when was this cheating discovered"

Just prior to the NCAA sending warning to the Big 10 that Michigan was using a staffer (or staffers) to in person scout future opponents using electronic means to do so, in violation of NCAA by-laws.

"and exactly, what was Michigan doing?"

Using a Michigan staffer (or staffers) to in person scout future opponents using electronic means in violation of NCAA by-laws.
So basically “in-person scouting”, “recording the person signaling the players with a smartphone”, and “decoding simplistic signs”. Did I make any mistakes? Also, this thread started in October 2023, so it start then or before.
 
Blah blah blah. You cheated and got caught. You have nobody to blame but your scumbag former coach and staff. You're welcome for the win we gave you this year. Obviously it didn't matter, at least not to football fans outside of ann arbor, but I know it means everything to your third tier program.
We know. You gave us the win in 2024. It was Stallions in 2021. It was fluke plays in 2022. It was McCord in 2023. :facepalm:

My favorite is the Ohio fans saying......now "The Game" doesn't matter. It matters so little, the entire school removes all "M's" for some unknown reason. You can't wear blue in the football building. They have a clock that countdowns the time until the next loss to Michigan. It has been awhile since they have beat Michigan, but the school actually gives out gold pants for winning the game that 'doesn't matter'.

Congrats on the **National Title** -- You guys will go down as the best 4th place B1G finisher to win a national title in CFB history.
 

I just kind of thought it proves he’s a pussy. What grown man can’t swing a bat and run to a base?

Michigan should just have this playing on loops in the football facility entrance for recruits lol
 
So basically “in-person scouting”, “recording the person signaling the players with a smartphone”, and “decoding simplistic signs”. Did I make any mistakes? Also, this thread started in October 2023, so it start then or before.

in-person scouting”, “recording the person signaling the players with a smartphone", and “decoding simplistic signs

Yep. The first two are in violation of the NCAA's by-laws.

Not sure why you included “decoding simplistic signs", because that's not an NCAA by-law violation. That's more of a distraction from the first two violations than anything.
Do you think the NCAA is dumb enough to overlook the actual violations with something that's not a violation?

'Your honor, my client did stab the victim 6 times with a butcher knife. However, the possession of a butcher knife isn't against the law' - Perp's atty

"this thread started in October 2023, so it start then or before."

I assume "before" since the NCAA would have needed time to look into the validity of the allegations before sending the alert to the Big 10 front office. We know the NCAA wasn't shooting from the hip when they sent the alert to the Big 10 front office since Michigan themselves has now admitted that the allegations were valid. Michigan's simply in damage control now.

These things seem common sense to me.
 
in-person scouting”, “recording the person signaling the players with a smartphone", and “decoding simplistic signs

Yep. The first two are in violation of the NCAA's by-laws.

Not sure why you included “decoding simplistic signs", because that's not an NCAA by-law violation. That's more of a distraction from the first two violations than anything.
Do you think the NCAA is dumb enough to overlook the actual violations with something that's not a violation?
Valid point, but the signs are useless if you can’t decode them.
'Your honor, my client did stab the victim 6 times with a butcher knife. However, the possession of a butcher knife isn't against the law' - Perp's atty
This is where you guys go off the rails. I have heard in-person scouting equated to sexual assault, robbing a bank and murder. Not all violations are equal. Stealing signs with in person scouting with a smartphone, is way different than stealing a playbook or electronic compromising of teams files.
"this thread started in October 2023, so it start then or before."

I assume "before" since the NCAA would have needed time to look into the validity of the allegations before sending the alert to the Big 10 front office. We know the NCAA wasn't shooting from the hip when they sent the alert to the Big 10 front office since Michigan themselves has now admitted that the allegations were valid. Michigan's simply in damage control now.

These things seem common sense to me.
Do you think ohio state had adequate time to defend against Michigan, by changing signs, changing what signs mean or having two people sending in signs - one as a dummy sign giver (and then switch back and forth). MLB and MiLB did this flawlessly. Even baseball went to electronic communication. This whole thing pushed the NCAA into the 21st Century.
 
"Valid point, but the signs are useless if you can’t decode them."

I'd think 'decoding them' would be pretty easy once they watched the opponents formations and play calls related to the signs.
i.e. "When they give this sign from the sideline they're gonna do this. When they give this sign, they're gonna do that."

"This is where you guys go off the rails. I have heard in-person scouting equated to sexual assault, robbing a bank and murder. Not all violations are equal. Stealing signs with in person scouting with a smartphone, is way different than stealing a playbook or electronic compromising of teams files."

Violations are violations. Michigan isn't surprising anyone by attempting to distract from them and/or downplay the severity of them. It would be expected by anyone's lawyer who knows their client is guilty of a violation.

"Do you think ohio state had adequate time to defend against Michigan"

No Idea. I just know that the time coaches have with players on a weekly basis is limited.
 
"Valid point, but the signs are useless if you can’t decode them."

I'd think 'decoding them' would be pretty easy once they watched the opponents formations and play calls related to the signs.
i.e. "When they give this sign from the sideline they're gonna do this. When they give this sign, they're gonna do that."
I'll concede this point - well played, but as a counter signs given in baseball are much more complicated than than these teams were apparently given. Also, if two people sent in signs with only one of them being valid signs, it would stump the opponent who stole the signs. Again, I use baseball as my counterpoint.
"This is where you guys go off the rails. I have heard in-person scouting equated to sexual assault, robbing a bank and murder. Not all violations are equal. Stealing signs with in person scouting with a smartphone, is way different than stealing a playbook or electronic compromising of teams files."

Violations are violations. Michigan isn't surprising anyone by attempting to distract from them and/or downplay the severity of them. It would be expected by anyone's lawyer who knows their client is guilty of a violation.
Some violations are more serious than others. If you like like I can go with an off the charts example like if one of our coaches killed a star player with a Butcher Knife in from of the team and everyone kept silent. Also, attorneys commonly plea bargain charges because somethings are different than others.
"Do you think ohio state had adequate time to defend against Michigan"

No Idea. I just know that the time coaches have with players on a weekly basis is limited.
It was pretty common for my high school team to meet several times a week.
 
October 19, 2023 this thread started. Still nothing has been completed. I am thinking that there are 2 possible reasons:

This whole case is like the Russian Collusion Delusion. Rumors, Lies and Non-Investigating Reporting. With ohio state playing the role of Hillary Clinton.

or

This whole case could be like Epstein Island. Michigan is guilty, but there are so many other names that the NCAA doesn't want to release.

Either way, the should be a right to a speedy trial, and that hasn't happened.

Admit it ... Y'all failed!!!!
 
October 19, 2023 this thread started. Still nothing has been completed. I am thinking that there are 2 possible reasons:

This whole case is like the Russian Collusion Delusion. Rumors, Lies and Non-Investigating Reporting. With ohio state playing the role of Hillary Clinton.

or

This whole case could be like Epstein Island. Michigan is guilty, but there are so many other names that the NCAA doesn't want to release.

Either way, the should be a right to a speedy trial, and that hasn't happened.

Admit it ... Y'all failed!!!!
Well we know option one can’t be true since we have physical video (not a screen grab :dhd:) evidence of ole Stallions on the sidelines with a pair of recording sunglasses during night in a game not including his employer but an opponent of his employer.

Option 2 certainly could be plausible but it’s not the only other option. Also the authoritative body doesn’t really have teeth anymore, so there’s that.
 
Well we know option one can’t be true since we have physical video (not a screen grab :dhd:) evidence of ole Stallions on the sidelines with a pair of recording sunglasses during night in a game not including his employer but an opponent of his employer.

Option 2 certainly could be plausible but it’s not the only other option. Also the authoritative body doesn’t really have teeth anymore, so there’s that.
Is this similar to Adam Schiff saying “There is evidence in plain sight”. Evidence they tell us they have, but have not produced is inadmissible.
 
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