More Michigan Cheating

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Just like the whole thing was started by Ryan Day and his brother before it turned out it wasn't lol

That was always just message board and twitter chatter. It's probably false, but I don't believe for a second that Ryan Day wasn't one of the loudest people in the room during the B10 meetings about Michigan; while simultaneously scheming months earlier to send scouting information to Purdue before the B10 title game.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

For some reason, I never believe Yahoo. My Grandchild stopped believing in Yahoo before they stopped believing in the Easter Bunny (They saw the Easter Bunny protect Joe Biden).

They've been leaking both sides since the start of this. Most of the NCAA stuff proved to be correct, no reason to believe the other stuff isn't.

 

[Voltaire]

They've been leaking both sides since the start of this. Most of the NCAA stuff proved to be correct, no reason to believe the other stuff isn't.

When the NCAA has not concluded their investigation. Get a better source.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

When the NCAA has not concluded their investigation. Get a better source.

The NCAA concluded their investigation a while ago, sent Michigan the notice of allegations (which only takes places after the full investigation). Michigan responded to those (either agreeing or contesting). Michigan contested those. And now it goes to a 3rd party committee hearing which takes place sometime in June as I understand it.

Some of the investigation got segmented out by individual and concluded already -- like punishments against a lot of the former staff. Those are concluded and over. Most of what is left is about what the school will be charged with and punished with (and of course, moore himself). All that is decided by the committee. And it may not even end there because Michigan can appeal even that but I'm going to guess unless it's totally unreasonable, they're going to want this to finally be behind them.

 

[DragonFromTo]

Once again, I am not talking about the administration. I am specifically talking about this forum. Would there be a 133 page discussion here with people this worked up about it? I doubt that there would be.

Only 200 pages have been added since this post. It was time and effort very well spent, I'm sure...

 

[Red_Alert]

Yahoo has been leaking a good chunk of story from the start. I think they have someone in the ncaa leaking everything to them, including Michigans response.

LOL

It's obviously Michigan who's selectively been leaking to Yahoo from the onset.

Hey everyone, the NCAA leaked Michigan's expected 2 game suspension of Moore and the details.
The NCAA also leaked that the texts Moore deleted weren't related to the sign stealing scheme.

Yep. Just ask maze&blew.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

LOL

It's obviously Michigan who's selectively been leaking to Yahoo from the onset.

Hey everyone, the NCAA leaked Michigan's expected 2 game suspension of Moore and the details.
The NCAA also leaked that the texts Moore deleted weren't related to the sign stealing scheme.

Yep. Just ask maze&blew.

You think Michigan started leaking a bunch of shit about us cheating during our national title run? Ahh yes, makes total sense.

 

[Red_Alert]

The NCAA concluded their investigation a while ago, sent Michigan the notice of allegations (which only takes places after the full investigation). Michigan responded to those (either agreeing or contesting). Michigan contested those. And now it goes to a 3rd party committee hearing which takes place sometime in June as I understand it.

Some of the investigation got segmented out by individual and concluded already -- like punishments against a lot of the former staff. Those are concluded and over. Most of what is left is about what the school will be charged with and punished with (and of course, moore himself). All that is decided by the committee. And it may not even end there because Michigan can appeal even that but I'm going to guess unless it's totally unreasonable, they're going to want this to finally be behind them.

You don't know what was in that NOA other than what Michigan has selectively leaked.

Naturally what Michigan leaked has been meant to minimize the issue in the public eye. Michigan's suspension of Moore is simply an attempt by their crack lawyers to plea bargain prior to the 3rd party commission. Remember when you were telling the forum those crack lawyers were gonna sue the pants off the Big 10 and NCAA? LOL

"Punishments against a lot of former staff" is a distraction and has nothing to do with what Michigan as the institution still faces.
Michigan itself faces "A Lack of Institutional Control" and/or "A Failure to Monitor" which allowed the 'Illegal in-person scouting of future opponents scheme'. Had Michigan self-reported than this would be a different issue but they didn't.

i.e. As an institution, Michigan is ultimately responsible for NCAA compliance of their athletic department. Not Harbaugh, not Moore, not Stalions.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You don't know what was in that NOA other than what Michigan has selectively leaked.

Naturally what Michigan leaked has been meant to minimize the issue in the public eye. Michigan's suspension of Moore is simply an attempt by their crack lawyers to plea bargain prior to the 3rd party commission. Remember when you were telling the forum those crack lawyers were gonna sue the pants off the Big 10 and NCAA? LOL

"Punishments against a lot of former staff" is a distraction and has nothing to do with what Michigan as the institution still faces.
Michigan itself faces "A Lack of Institutional Control" and/or "A Failure to Monitor" which allowed the 'Illegal in-person scouting of future opponents scheme'. Had Michigan self-reported than this would be a different issue but they didn't.

i.e. As an institution, Michigan is ultimately responsible for NCAA compliance of their athletic department. Not Harbaugh, not Moore, not Stalions.

The draft of the NOA was leaked to ESPN weeks before Michigan ever received it...

 

[Red_Alert]

You think Michigan started leaking a bunch of shit about us cheating during our national title run? Ahh yes, makes total sense.

This is what we know. Nobody at Michigan leaked or self-report the 'Illegal in-person scouting of future opponents' scheme prior to the NCAA warning the Big 10 front offices about it.

Nope. The leaks started after they got caught and was Michigan attempting to get out in front of and minimize the issue.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

This is what we know. Nobody at Michigan leaked or self-report the 'Illegal in-person scouting of future opponents' scheme prior to the NCAA warning the Big 10 front offices about it.

Nope. The leaks started after they got caught and was Michigan attempting to get out in front of and minimize the issue.

you think that was minimizing the issue? lol. The leaks had "thousands" of incidents originally, the NOA lists like 7 incidents where stallions went to a game.

 

[Red_Alert]

you think that was minimizing the issue? lol. The leaks had "thousands" of incidents originally, the NOA lists like 7 incidents where stallions went to a game.

I think it was 8 and it wasn't all Stalions going to future opponent games to in-person scout.

There were others within the program that Stalions provided tickets to. i.e. It wasn't all just 'Family and Friends'.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I think it was 8 and it wasn't all Stalions going to future opponent games to in-person scout.

There were others within the program that Stalions provided tickets to. i.e. It wasn't all just 'Family and Friends'.

So you think we tried to minimize 8 by making it thousands?

 

[Red_Alert]

Is that Michigan saying that or the NCAA?

Has anyone released the texts to the public?

Even Michigan admits most texts were not related to the sign stealing scheme.
However, most is not "nothing".

No. Michigan says none were related to the illegal sign stealing scheme.

"MiChIgAn'S nOt LeAKiNg"

"TeH DeLeTeD tExT mEssAgEs hAd nOtHiNg tO Do WiTh TeH SiGn StEaLinG sChEmE"

This Michigan beat writer shows otherwise.

Report: Sherrone Moore's texts with Connor Stalions mentioned opponent signals, but not impermissible scouting

The deleted text messages, later retrieved by device imaging, were deemed in August's Notice of Allegations by the NCAA to be a possible Level 2 violation.

247sports.com

 

[Red_Alert]

So you think we tried to minimize 8 by making it thousands?

I think you're trying to minimize 8 by comparing it to thousands.

Sounds like a strategy Michigan's crack lawyers would concoct.

If I rob 8 banks do you think my atty will have success telling the jury "It's not like he robbed thousands of banks"?

 

[Across The Field]

That was always just message board and twitter chatter. It's probably false, but I don't believe for a second that Ryan Day wasn't one of the loudest people in the room during the B10 meetings about Michigan; while simultaneously scheming months earlier to send scouting information to Purdue before the B10 title game.

LOL that was a twitter rumor started by Zach Smith to troll retard michigan fans and you guys bit on it hook, line, and sinker.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

LOL that was a twitter rumor started by Zach Smith to troll retard michigan fans and you guys bit on it hook, line, and sinker.

Nah. Thats just what that dummy claimed to try and gain followers. There was actual posts about it well before he posted

"MiChIgAn'S nOt LeAKiNg"

"TeH DeLeTeD tExT mEssAgEs hAd nOtHiNg tO Do WiTh TeH SiGn StEaLinG sChEmE"

This Michigan beat writer shows otherwise.

Report: Sherrone Moore's texts with Connor Stalions mentioned opponent signals, but not impermissible scouting

The deleted text messages, later retrieved by device imaging, were deemed in August's Notice of Allegations by the NCAA to be a possible Level 2 violation.

247sports.com

sign stealing is legal. You think it was odd that the offensive coordinator, in talking with the legally hired sign stealer, mentioned the thing he was hired to do? I see you skipped over the important bit about nothing incriminating him to the serial illegal aspects of stallions side hustle.

 

[Red_Alert]

Nah. Thats just what that dummy claimed to try and gain followers. There was actual posts about it well before he posted

sign stealing is legal. You think it was odd that the offensive coordinator, in talking with the legally hired sign stealer, mentioned the thing he was hired to do? I see you skipped over the important bit about nothing incriminating him to the serial illegal aspects of stallions side hustle.

That's because I haven't seen the texts and only know what Michigan has leaked to the press regarding them.

 

[ralphiewvu]

sign stealing is legal. You think it was odd that the offensive coordinator, in talking with the legally hired sign stealer, mentioned the thing he was hired to do? I see you skipped over the important bit about nothing incriminating him to the serial illegal aspects of stallions side hustle.

Totally believable.

Moore talked to Stallions about legal sign stealing, “the thing he was hired to do.” But didn’t talk to him about illegal sign stealing. And felt he still had to delete the convo.

Thanks Maize

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Totally believable.

Moore talked to Stallions about legal sign stealing, “the thing he was hired to do.” But didn’t talk to him about illegal sign stealing. And felt he still had to delete the convo.

Thanks Maize

Given stallions was hired to steal signs, I’d expect every single member of the coaching staff had conversations with him about sign stealing. There’s nothing in the texts to suggest Moore knew stallions was breaking rules to collect information.