More Michigan Cheating

[Red_Alert]

This is one of my proudest threads. I've spent hours in here valiantly defending Michigan and the unfair, unjustified and quite frankly, lazy, attacks against my program. I'm like the Grail Knight in the Last Crusade who's spent an eternity defending the Grail. @ralphiewvu is in here like Donovan, working with the Nazis for clout, thinking the cup of a carpenter is a shiny gold gem encrusted chalice.

Me at the end of this when the report vindicates me

It would help if you stop implying the NCAA has anything to do with Moore's 2 game suspension.
Stop implying that the NCAA has stated anywhere that there was no relationship to the Moore/Stalions texts to Stalions illegal in-person scouting of future opponents scheme.
Stop implying that the NCAA has released any information regarding the 'draft' NOA or the final NOA.
Stop implying that Michigan can't comment on the investigation.

Post where the NCAA has agreed to a 2 game suspension.
Post the text messages that were deleted.
Post the complete draft or final NOA's.
Post the gag order placed upon Michigan.

Those are just the tip of the 336 page (and counting) iceberg.

Your BS started with 'That's not Stalions on CMU's sideline' and that 'A lot of people look like that'.
Then it turned to 'Michigan dint do nuffins because they had yet to receive a NOA'.

 

[ralphiewvu]

You’re having problems with comprehension aren’t you? Which is it 127-0 or 130-0?

And to (kinda) answer your question I have it on good authority that Fielding Yost’s Cousin was at our game before Michigan on the opposing sideline with some moving picture device. But we just thought the light on it was a scoreboard reflection.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

So you’ve gone from ( I’m sure I’ll miss some):
That wasn’t Stallions to…
Ok but those aren’t recording glasses to..
Ok but he didn’t record, it’s a scoreboard reflection to,
Ok but sign stealing isn’t illegal to
No one at CMU knew who he was to,
Ok but it was a low level staffer on CMU to,
No coaches at Michigan knew who he was to,
Ok but no Michigan coaches knew about the illegal stuff to,
Obviously the coaches didn’t know because there was no paper trail to,
To the text messages didn’t reveal anything (while the full report isn’t out ) to
IM THE VICTIM!

Incredible

Nope,

Add "going to football games" to cheeseburgers in the list of things I don't care about

Remained steadfast that this is stupid

Teams are given massive video libraries to scout from. This rule may have made sense in 1994 but in the world of 4k 40 camera football games, this is nonsense.

I've said from very early on

Hardly. If sign stealing at it's core was illegal, then this would be a much bigger issue. As is, in person scouting only gives you a minor advantage to the already prevalent sign stealing methods that currently exist (which apparently includes teams trading information with each other). Which would pretty literally be a version of in person scouting if talking to teams your opponents have already faced.

And even pointed out it's irrelevant if it is him

And even if it is him....so is the argument that great harm was done because a guy, with no recording equipment, stood on the sidelines? You can convince me there's some advantage to recording the signs, you can't convince me that there's great advantage to sitting on the sideline in person of a fully recorded football game.

I've been steadfast that these are likely minor violations.

Level 2 infractions here we come!

And the only reason that Michigan even has level 1 violations on the table at this point is because former staff chose not to cooperate to the level the NCAA desired.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It would help if you stop implying the NCAA has anything to do with Moore's 2 game suspension.
Stop implying that the NCAA has stated anywhere that there was no relationship to the Moore/Stalions texts to Stalions illegal in-person scouting of future opponents scheme.
Stop implying that the NCAA has released any information regarding the 'draft' NOA or the final NOA.
Stop implying that Michigan can't comment on the investigation.

Post where the NCAA has agreed to a 2 game suspension.
Post the text messages that were deleted.
Post the complete draft or final NOA's.
Post the gag order placed upon Michigan.

Those are just the tip of the 336 page (and counting) iceberg.

Your BS started with 'That's not Stalions on CMU's sideline' and that 'A lot of people look like that'.
Then it turned to 'Michigan dint do nuffins because they had yet to receive a NOA'.

The NCAA has to do with Moore's suspension.

What you seem to be implying that is wrong, is that his suspension is related to the core violations -- illegal scouting. Which they do not. Moore is being suspended for not cooperating with the NCAA investigation because he deleted (and recovered) text messages.

The NCAA could accept that punishment or add to it. But what they can't do at this point is charge him with additional violations; the charges have already been delivered to Michigan in the original notice.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Michigan gave up an average of 15 points per game before TCU game.

Michigan gave up 51 points vs TCU. The same TCU team that scored 7 vs Georgia in the next game.

Nothing to see here.

You don't think that had anything to do with Michigan having one of the easiest schedules in football that year? Michigan basically played 2 teams with a decent record prior to TCU -- Ohio State and Penn State and only Ohio State had a semi-decent offense. Take away the two pick 6's and TCU, a playoff team with insane NFL talent, only scored 37 offensive points against us -- only 10 more than OSU.

And no, I don't think TCU scoring 51 points (37 points without the two pick 6's) is evidence of anything other than they had a couple very good WR's that broke some crazy long plays against us combined with some bad throws by JJ. TCU had TD drives of 3 plays 45 yards, 3 plays 78 yards, and 3 plays 79 yards. If you go back and look at those plays, Michigan had the proper defense but wifed in stopping it. At least one was just a dump off to a WR.

You also seem to be leaving out that offensively, Michigan scored 45 against TCU.

 

[Red_Alert]

The NCAA has to do with Moore's suspension.

What you seem to be implying that is wrong, is that his suspension is related to the core violations -- illegal scouting. Which they do not. Moore is being suspended for not cooperating with the NCAA investigation because he deleted (and recovered) text messages.

The NCAA could accept that punishment or add to it. But what they can't do at this point is charge him with additional violations; the charges have already been delivered to Michigan in the original notice.

Post proof of the NCAA imposing a 2 game suspension on Moore.

Post the entire NCAA NOA.

Post the entire Moore/Stalions text message chain.

Post the gag order preventing Michigan from talking about the case.

 

[cwerph]

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Post proof of the NCAA imposing a 2 game suspension on Moore.

Post the entire NCAA NOA.

Post the entire Moore/Stalions text message chain.

Post the gag order preventing Michigan from talking about the case.

The NCAA has not decided if MIchigan's two game suspension is sufficient.

Sources: 2-game ban expected for U-M's Moore

Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore is expected to be suspended for two games for the upcoming 2025 season as part of self-imposed sanctions by the university for the Connor Stalions advanced scouting scandal, industry sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

In an August 2024 notice of allegations, the NCAA cited Michigan for 11 violations, six of which were deemed Level I, or the most serious. The school and the NCAA are working toward a resolution.

Moore's suspension ties back to allegations that he deleted a thread of 52 text messages with Stalions.

The alleged deletions came in October 2023 on the same day that media reports revealed Stalions was leading an effort to capture the playcalling signals of future opponents.

According to a draft of the notice of allegations obtained by ESPN last year, the texts were recovered via "device imaging" and Moore "subsequently produced them to enforcement staff." Moore is accused of committing a Level 2 violation, according to the draft.

The NCAA rule preventing schools under investigation from publicly commenting on the investigation is outlined in the NCAA's internal operating procedures, specifically under the confidentiality requirements during the infractions process. While no single bylaw explicitly states a blanket prohibition, the NCAA Division I Manual, particularly Bylaw 19.5.1 and Bylaw 19.5.3, establishes that institutions, involved individuals, and their representatives are expected to cooperate fully with NCAA investigations and maintain confidentiality to protect the integrity of the process.

It's important to note that Moore is subject to additional penalties because he is on probation from the recruiting violations in "burger gate". Which is why the LEVEL II violations are more serious here.

Moore, who took over as the Wolverines' head coach in January after serving as their offensive coordinator for several seasons, is considered a potential "repeat violator" by the NCAA because in August 2023, he negotiated a resolution to claims that he contacted recruits during a COVID-19 recruiting dead period.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Also important to note, according to the draft of the NOA, there are only 6 level 1 violations listed.

Former Michigan staff members Jim Harbaugh, Chris Partridge, Denard Robinson and Stalions are also accused of committing Level 1 violations, the most serious category in the NCAA's enforcement process.

and the school is only charged with 1

The school also faces a Level 1 violation charge, according to the draft, because of its "pattern of noncompliance within the football program" and institutional efforts to hinder or thwart the NCAA's investigation

All of the individual cases above have been dealt with an closed. Leaving a single case against the school, and an unlisted level 1 violation, as the only thing remaining on the table here.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

HEY @MAIZEandBLUE09 , whenever you’re ready.

 

[Red_Alert]

The NCAA has not decided if MIchigan's two game suspension is sufficient.

Sources: 2-game ban expected for U-M's Moore

Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore is expected to be suspended for two games for the upcoming 2025 season as part of self-imposed sanctions by the university for the Connor Stalions advanced scouting scandal, industry sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

The NCAA rule preventing schools under investigation from publicly commenting on the investigation is outlined in the NCAA's internal operating procedures, specifically under the confidentiality requirements during the infractions process. While no single bylaw explicitly states a blanket prohibition, the NCAA Division I Manual, particularly Bylaw 19.5.1 and Bylaw 19.5.3, establishes that institutions, involved individuals, and their representatives are expected to cooperate fully with NCAA investigations and maintain confidentiality to protect the integrity of the process.

It's important to note that Moore is subject to additional penalties because he is on probation from the recruiting violations in "burger gate". Which is why the LEVEL II violations are more serious here.

In other words...... The NCAA has NOTHING to do with Moore's 2 game suspension. The suspension was levied by Michigan and Michigan alone. The NCAA didn't collaborate with Michigan on the suspension.

So Michigan's not under a gag order and their cherry picked leaks is yet another violation?

Post the entire NCAA NOA.

Post the entire Moore/Stalions text message chain.

You keep trying to minimize what happened by using terms like "minor violations" and "Level II violations" when rumor has it there are 6 Level 1 violations.
I don't even dwell on that because it's rumor and I haven't seen the NOA, and neither have you.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Nope,

Remained steadfast that this is stupid

I've said from very early on

And even pointed out it's irrelevant if it is him


I've been steadfast that these are likely minor violations.

And the only reason that Michigan even has level 1 violations on the table at this point is because former staff chose not to cooperate to the level the NCAA desired.

Quite literally nothing you posted here disproved what I said. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING lol

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Quite literally nothing you posted here disproved what I said. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING lol

Pretty ironic that you’re sucking up to the fake news media. You’re basically David Hogg at this point.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Pretty ironic that you’re sucking up to the fake news media. You’re basically David Hogg at this point.

Fake News Media? You understand everything I said there was actually something you said/argued then flip flopped on right? There was no media, I quite literately used your posts to show how fucking stupid you've been this whole thread. You've flip flopped on everything dude. You are retarded. Not basically.

 

[Voltaire]

I don't even dwell on that because it's rumor and I haven't seen the NOA, and neither have you.

This is the Crux of the whole matter ... they need to quit reading articles that support their opinions written by people who know nothing as well. Let this thing process out.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Fake News Media? You understand everything I said there was actually something you said/argued then flip flopped on right? There was no media, I quite literately used your posts to show how fucking stupid you've been this whole thread. You've flip flopped on everything dude. You are retarded. Not basically.

That's what Nacy Pelosi would say. You're posting internet rumors, I'm posting hard facts.

 

[ralphiewvu]

That's what Nacy Pelosi would say. You're posting internet rumors, I'm posting hard facts.

You’re just Joe Biden now aimlessly talking but have no clue what you’re saying.

Alls you’ve posted is homerish garbage that’s false. You might actually be Joe Biden..

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You’re just Joe Biden now aimlessly talking but have no clue what you’re saying.

Alls you’ve posted is homerish garbage that’s false. You might actually be Joe Biden..

I’ve supported every claim with evidence supported by people who have read the leaked information. It doesn’t align with your assertions. Nancy.

 

[ralphiewvu]

This is the Crux of the whole matter ... they need to quit reading articles that support their opinions written by people who know nothing as well. Let this thing process out.

The idea that people are reading articles that are saying Michigan is Guilty Guilty Guilty and just going with it is a pretty big leap.

Now I don’t speak for everyone and others may differ but quite literally the only article I’ve even looked at on this is the one I linked to you this morning. What I used to form my opinion is a video of your defensive analyst on an opposing sideline in a game not involving Michigan but a future Michigan opponent, ohh and he had recording sunglasses that seemed to be on. After that I looked at the situation around that (coach took a cut in salary and an incentive based contract to remain, some mediocre by Michigan standard years before that, and Michigan started dominating after) and formed some pretty plausible/educated opinions. So yeah, excuse me if I’m not going to side with the idea Michigan is in any way innocent or didn’t benefit from this scheme Stallions performed. But time will certainly tell for sure.