OC Srth Littrell Fired

Deep Creek said:
Serious question, not just ragging OU. I don’t understand how the schools that recruit top 10 classes have such a drop off when injuries hit. Their replacements are usually 4* & 5* guys. Unlike a Purdue, Wake Forest or Houston. What’s the deal?
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Yeah
Whats the deal.

It's almost like the offense has quit.
 
So all those people who bought "Fire Littrell" shirts are now stuck with trash...or collectors items?
 
Wishbone said:
Here's the hand Seth Littrell was dealt....

Out of 133 teams, OU is #132 in sacks allowed (only nine sacks allowed, last year) Both centers, both tackles, and one guard have dealt with injury issues, all season. 2nd and 3rd team OL have been forced into action.
All top five wide receivers have been injured and all are still out.
Starting QB is a RS freshman and the back-up is a true freshman.
As a result, this Sooner offense is close to being the worst in school history.

Both starting CB's are out for the year.

But despite all that his schemes were garbage.
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Reads like the injuries A&M has dealt with. OL decimation, injured WR's, injured starting QB, lost starting RB for the year, etc. Depth is the key.
 
Mentioned this elsewhere…OU has 60 freshmen on the roster and 20 of each other class.

I don’t understand how this imbalance occurred.

I’ve started peppering the OU media with questions about it.

I’ve no idea if this is some sort of strategic move due to Portal/NIL potential or inadequacies…but I can’t remember such an imbalance in class makeup in all my years as a fan.
 
outofyourmind said:
Yeah
Whats the deal.

It's almost like the offense has quit.
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Multiple problems here. I expect Venables has told everyone to simplify and try to win with defense. We aren’t even running any double routes, there are high school offenses that are much more intricate, it’s embarrassing.
 
fordman84 said:
Reads like the injuries A&M has dealt with. OL decimation, injured WR's, injured starting QB, lost starting RB for the year, etc. Depth is the key.
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And “quality depth” is different than just “plain old depth.” Which brings me back to the question of why do teams with consistent top 10 recruiting classes lack “quality depth”?

Portal stealing them? Whiffed on recruiting? Weren’t able to get any through the portal.
 
occupant said:
Mentioned this elsewhere…OU has 60 freshmen on the roster and 20 of each other class.

I don’t understand how this imbalance occurred.

I’ve started peppering the OU media with questions about it.

I’ve no idea if this is some sort of strategic move due to Portal/NIL potential or inadequacies…but I can’t remember such an imbalance in class makeup in all my years as a fan.
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Part of that is you basically have 2 classes being called freshman if they redshirted.
 
occupant said:
Mentioned this elsewhere…OU has 60 freshmen on the roster and 20 of each other class.

I don’t understand how this imbalance occurred.

I’ve started peppering the OU media with questions about it.

I’ve no idea if this is some sort of strategic move due to Portal/NIL potential or inadequacies…but I can’t remember such an imbalance in class makeup in all my years as a fan.
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Deep Creek said:
And “quality depth” is different than just “plain old depth.” Which brings me back to the question of why do teams with consistent top 10 recruiting classes lack “quality depth”?

Portal stealing them? Whiffed on recruiting? Weren’t able to get any through the portal.
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I expect that when you are in the window still of when a coach left with very little warning. Kids he had recruited went with him or dropped for their second school. I don't remember OU being big in the transfer portal but that's the only way to stopgap between coaches. You can't just wait 3 years for your recruits to get up to size/speed.
 
SoonerC said:
Multiple problems here. I expect Venables has told everyone to simplify and try to win with defense. We aren’t even running any double routes, there are high school offenses that are much more intricate, it’s embarrassing.
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Sounds accurate to me. Defense is his DNA so the default position is don't take chances offensively.
 
Deep Creek said:
Sounds accurate to me. Defense is his DNA so the default position is don't take chances offensively.
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Stoops was naturally inclined to be that way and at times he was. But he was also smart enough to hire guys like Mike Leach and Lincoln Riley and the stuff they came up with is being used throughout the country, on Sundays too.
 
SoonerC said:
Stoops was naturally inclined to be that way and at times he was. But he was also smart enough to hire guys like Mike Leach and Lincoln Riley and the stuff they came up with is being used throughout the country, on Sundays too.
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Yep. Saban was defense oriented but smart enough to swallow his pride and adapt with the changing game.
 
Deep Creek said:
Yep. Saban was defense oriented but smart enough to swallow his pride and adapt with the changing game.
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Yes, I mean it was after trying to outlaw the no huddle but he eventually came around lol
 
Per USA Today, Venables' buyout on Dec. 1 would cost Oklahoma $44.8 million, a figure that went up after the school agreed to give their head coach the contract extension before they played one snap of football as a member of the SEC.

Numerous Oklahoma fans are upset with the school and Castiglione for agreeing to a premature deal with Venables when he hadn't had great success through his first two seasons in Norman.

Here are some of the comments on X Saturday evening regarding Venables buyout and contract extension.

"BVs buyout is $40 mil, Joe C is the worst AD in America," wrote one angry fan.

"I am reading that the buyout is $40M," posted another. "Unforgivable decision by OU. This was supposed to be a prove it year for Venables. They were not in tune with the fanbase when they made this decision."

"Joe C should be fired for that," suggested another.

"This is serious now," posted an upset fan. "OU in SEC can’t fix this overnight.. $44 million buyout for Venables. Stupid Stupid!! Venables ls not proven!!!"

"Oklahoma could have hired a successful head coach but chose to hire a very successful DC with no head coaching experience," commented another. "I understand taking the risk, Venables was a hot candidate. What doesn’t make sense is rewarding an unknown head coach with a ridiculous buyout of $44.8m."

"Oklahoma is stuck with him," wrote one commenter. "They ain’t paying that buyout."

 
Sgt Brutus said:
Per USA Today, Venables' buyout on Dec. 1 would cost Oklahoma $44.8 million, a figure that went up after the school agreed to give their head coach the contract extension before they played one snap of football as a member of the SEC.

Numerous Oklahoma fans are upset with the school and Castiglione for agreeing to a premature deal with Venables when he hadn't had great success through his first two seasons in Norman.

Here are some of the comments on X Saturday evening regarding Venables buyout and contract extension.

"BVs buyout is $40 mil, Joe C is the worst AD in America," wrote one angry fan.

"I am reading that the buyout is $40M," posted another. "Unforgivable decision by OU. This was supposed to be a prove it year for Venables. They were not in tune with the fanbase when they made this decision."

"Joe C should be fired for that," suggested another.

"This is serious now," posted an upset fan. "OU in SEC can’t fix this overnight.. $44 million buyout for Venables. Stupid Stupid!! Venables ls not proven!!!"

"Oklahoma could have hired a successful head coach but chose to hire a very successful DC with no head coaching experience," commented another. "I understand taking the risk, Venables was a hot candidate. What doesn’t make sense is rewarding an unknown head coach with a ridiculous buyout of $44.8m."

"Oklahoma is stuck with him," wrote one commenter. "They ain’t paying that buyout."

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Oklahoma proving they are SEC worthy by giving stupid contracts to coaches and having idiot ADs.

So far they are a great fit.
 
Sgt Brutus said:
Per USA Today, Venables' buyout on Dec. 1 would cost Oklahoma $44.8 million, a figure that went up after the school agreed to give their head coach the contract extension before they played one snap of football as a member of the SEC.

Numerous Oklahoma fans are upset with the school and Castiglione for agreeing to a premature deal with Venables when he hadn't had great success through his first two seasons in Norman.

Here are some of the comments on X Saturday evening regarding Venables buyout and contract extension.

"BVs buyout is $40 mil, Joe C is the worst AD in America," wrote one angry fan.

"I am reading that the buyout is $40M," posted another. "Unforgivable decision by OU. This was supposed to be a prove it year for Venables. They were not in tune with the fanbase when they made this decision."

"Joe C should be fired for that," suggested another.

"This is serious now," posted an upset fan. "OU in SEC can’t fix this overnight.. $44 million buyout for Venables. Stupid Stupid!! Venables ls not proven!!!"

"Oklahoma could have hired a successful head coach but chose to hire a very successful DC with no head coaching experience," commented another. "I understand taking the risk, Venables was a hot candidate. What doesn’t make sense is rewarding an unknown head coach with a ridiculous buyout of $44.8m."

"Oklahoma is stuck with him," wrote one commenter. "They ain’t paying that buyout."

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I posted the other day that the contract extension stuff every year is bullshit.

Be a consistent top 10 team and proven elite coach, ok I get it. You don't want another university coming in and stealing that guy.

However, the school is always on the hook for the original contract regardless of coaching performance.

Let's just use 5 years as a basic initial contract. Everybody says it takes a new HC a few years to get his system installed, his players recruited, assistant coaches adjusted, etc.
Great.... Give him that time, but the clock is ticking. If he doesn't get things turned around after the 4th year then fire him and you only owe him for the 5th year.
Frost walked in here on a 5 year deal and walked out with Nebraska still owing him 5 more years on top of the 5 years they'd already paid him. Without those extensions they wouldn't have owed him a fucking dime. Nobody was gonna come in a steal Frost. Nobody was gonna come in and steal Mike Riley. Nobody was gonna come in and steal Bo Pelini. However, every one of them walked out of here as if not one day ticked off their original contract.

Now contracts are 7 or 8 years.

They say the extensions are the university showing confidence in the coach so he can recruit and tell players/parents "Hey, he's in good hands. They just extended my contract so I'm gonna be his coach for the next 4 or 5 years".

That's one heck of a game these coaches have, and meaningless when the university can just fire said coach the next season and pay him bigly anyway for the lie he told those players/parents in their living rooms.
 
Sgt Brutus said:
Per USA Today, Venables' buyout on Dec. 1 would cost Oklahoma $44.8 million, a figure that went up after the school agreed to give their head coach the contract extension before they played one snap of football as a member of the SEC.

Numerous Oklahoma fans are upset with the school and Castiglione for agreeing to a premature deal with Venables when he hadn't had great success through his first two seasons in Norman.

Here are some of the comments on X Saturday evening regarding Venables buyout and contract extension.

"BVs buyout is $40 mil, Joe C is the worst AD in America," wrote one angry fan.

"I am reading that the buyout is $40M," posted another. "Unforgivable decision by OU. This was supposed to be a prove it year for Venables. They were not in tune with the fanbase when they made this decision."

"Joe C should be fired for that," suggested another.

"This is serious now," posted an upset fan. "OU in SEC can’t fix this overnight.. $44 million buyout for Venables. Stupid Stupid!! Venables ls not proven!!!"

"Oklahoma could have hired a successful head coach but chose to hire a very successful DC with no head coaching experience," commented another. "I understand taking the risk, Venables was a hot candidate. What doesn’t make sense is rewarding an unknown head coach with a ridiculous buyout of $44.8m."

"Oklahoma is stuck with him," wrote one commenter. "They ain’t paying that buyout."

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That’s pure stupidity. Real fans know Joe Castiglione is the best athletic director in the country. He has work to do though.
 
Red_Alert said:
I posted the other day that the contract extension stuff every year is bullshit.

Be a consistent top 10 team and proven elite coach, ok I get it. You don't want another university coming in and stealing that guy.

However, the school is always on the hook for the original contract regardless of coaching performance.

Let's just use 5 years as a basic initial contract. Everybody says it takes a new HC a few years to get his system installed, his players recruited, assistant coaches adjusted, etc.
Great.... Give him that time, but the clock is ticking. If he doesn't get things turned around after the 4th year then fire him and you only owe him for the 5th year.
Frost walked in here on a 5 year deal and walked out with Nebraska still owing him 5 more years on top of the 5 years they'd already paid him. Without those extensions they wouldn't have owed him a fucking dime. Nobody was gonna come in a steal Frost. Nobody was gonna come in and steal Mike Riley. Nobody was gonna come in and steal Bo Pelini. However, every one of them walked out of here as if not one day ticked off their original contract.

Now contracts are 7 or 8 years.

They say the extensions are the university showing confidence in the coach so he can recruit and tell players/parents "Hey, he's in good hands. They just extended my contract so I'm gonna be his coach for the next 4 or 5 years".

That's one heck of a game these coaches have, and meaningless when the university can just fire said coach the next season and pay him bigly anyway for the lie he told those players/parents in their living rooms.
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As I understand it there is one agent that represents a lot of the coaches. Makes it very easy for coaches to stay in charge putting schools against each other. It’s a helluva racket.
 
SoonerC said:
As I understand it there is one agent that represents a lot of the coaches. Makes it very easy for coaches to stay in charge putting schools against each other. It’s a helluva racket.
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It's a fraternity.

Even the worst coaches still manage to find another job somewhere. OC's, DC's, position coaches, the entire profession.
 
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