Ohio State Targeting Defensive Coordinator at Oklahoma State/Jim Knowles

You actually have no clue what you are talking about but I guess if you want to blabber on you can...nobody is stopping you. This team had the most freshman starting in 80 years and as you can see the defense didn't do them any favors. The coaches job is to put the players in position to succeed in their scheme and it wasn't just this year...it's been going on 5 years or so, even when they had those star DE's or DB's-the defensive coaching wasn't up to par. Recruiting is fine. Why do you think they have been soft, well bc of scheme and coaching. I think you can put two and two together.
They will be fine at WR. Smith-Njigba is a stud and future 1st rounder. You listed Egbuka and Fleming...guys emerge, they have talented freshman coming in and I guess you forgot about Marvin Harrison Jr. LOL

Yea anyone who thinks changing DCs every year is "no problem" is pretty stupid.

The scheme has been inconsistent and horrible. It's hard for players to find a home when the scheme is constantly changing because of a revolving door of the play caller.
 
FWIW Ohio State had one of the best freshmen DTs and best freshmen CBs this year. So that's a start to build on with the new DC

Our LBers were pretty terrible this year, that really needs to be corrected. Be it with new personnel or much better scheme for their abilities

JJT and Sawyer played pretty well when they actually were put into games. I'm confident they will be a much bigger force next year.

Hickman at Safety is a stud, it will be nice to have him back.
 
My main hope is the new DC is much more willing to play younger players rather than clinging on to struggling upper classmen who are not getting it done.
 
You actually have no clue what you are talking about but I guess if you want to blabber on you can...nobody is stopping you. This team had the most freshman starting in 80 years and as you can see the defense didn't do them any favors. The coaches job is to put the players in position to succeed in their scheme and it wasn't just this year...it's been going on 5 years or so, even when they had those star DE's or DB's-the defensive coaching wasn't up to par. Recruiting is fine. Why do you think they have been soft, well bc of scheme and coaching. I think you can put two and two together.
They will be fine at WR. Smith-Njigba is a stud and future 1st rounder. You listed Egbuka and Fleming...guys emerge, they have talented freshman coming in and I guess you forgot about Marvin Harrison Jr. LOL
I'd think if you were an ohio fan, you'd actually know about your starting lineup. Your defensive line starters comprised of a Junior (Harrison), a Senior (Smith), a Redshirt Senior (Cage) and a Graduate returnee (Haskell). You had one or two freshman who would come in to give them a breather, as EVERY TEAM DOES.
The freshman starting excuse is just that -- an excuse. Michigan had more TRUE freshman starting for them on defense this year than Ohio State did. Reality is -- OSU had exactly one true freshman starting on their defense - Burke. UM started Colson and Rod Moore, both true freshman and Colson was arguably our best LB.

And when your defensive line is upperclassmen, which OSU's was -- the LAST thing you should have happen is have team bulldozing you in the run game and that's what the only two physical teams did to OSU. It is why I think it is funny OSU got Utah, as they are going to be the same thing. Line up and run the ball.

You can put the blame on whatever you'd like, but your scheme isn't going to get you blown off the ball where you can't stop teams you KNOW is going to run the ball. That is on the player and their lack of heart, talent or development.
 
FWIW Ohio State had one of the best freshmen DTs and best freshmen CBs this year. So that's a start to build on with the new DC

Our LBers were pretty terrible this year, that really needs to be corrected. Be it with new personnel or much better scheme for their abilities

JJT and Sawyer played pretty well when they actually were put into games. I'm confident they will be a much bigger force next year.

Hickman at Safety is a stud, it will be nice to have him back.
Williams looks like he will be a player with some grooming. Only thing about him this year is -- he put up his numbers against the bottom feeders and did nothing against the better teams. He had 5 sacks, but 4 of them were against Akron, Tulsa and Rutgers.

Still to get 5 sacks at DT as a freshman is impressive -- if they develop him right, he could be a beast.
 
Williams looks like he will be a player with some grooming. Only thing about him this year is -- he put up his numbers against the bottom feeders and did nothing against the better teams. He had 5 sacks, but 4 of them were against Akron, Tulsa and Rutgers.

Still to get 5 sacks at DT as a freshman is impressive -- if they develop him right, he could be a beast.

The Dline basically had 1 bad year, i'm not panicking over that.

Garrett was a huge disappointment, he lost that fire he had last year and was merely average.

Harrison has been a major bust thus far, I guess it was about time we ended up with a dud of a 5* DE after the run of success we had.

I'm willing to bet next year it gets back on track with JTT and Sawyer getting much more time at DE.

Some hope for LBer, Steele Chambers played pretty decent for a guy who switched last minute this season from RB to LB, he should get better.

The secondary was actually pretty solid this year, it was supposed to be a major weakness. There's a lot to like coming back too.
 


Kevin Noon, OSU recruiting reporter, talks to someone who has covered Knowles. Good stuff.
 
It's funny you mention recruiting on the defensive side of the ball. If you remember they flipped a DE from Michigan to Ohio St a couple years ago, Zach Harrison, the #1 player in the nation. Jack Sawyer, Taron Vincent, JT Tuimoloau...all 5 stars-top 10 recruits. Coaching NEEDS to be better and yes that is part of development too so when you said development needs to be better that includes coaching! LOL
our defense will be fine with the addition of Knowles. Dude is probably salivating with the talent he has to work with. Now, our defense is very young and the younger guys could use an off-season with Coach Mick to beef up muscle. How many on the UM defense are either declaring or graduating? This was their one opportunity to take us down and they did it. It will be another decade until they beat us again.
 
I'm thrilled Styles reclassified into this class to fill the depth at the bullet position.
 
our defense will be fine with the addition of Knowles. Dude is probably salivating with the talent he has to work with. Now, our defense is very young and the younger guys could use an off-season with Coach Mick to beef up muscle. How many on the UM defense are either declaring or graduating? This was their one opportunity to take us down and they did it. It will be another decade until they beat us again.

Hutchinson is gone

Ojabo is more than likely gone

thats 25 of the 34 sacks they had this year.

Josh Ross their leading tackler and probably the "leader" of their defense is gone

Dax Hill their most gifted DB is probably 50/50 to declare or return. (they lose a starting CB and S as well)

So the 4 most important players on their defense could be gone. Likely 3/4 of them at least.

Losing the presence of their 2 monster pass rushers is a blow enough though.
 
Hutchinson is gone

Ojabo is more than likely gone

thats 25 of the 34 sacks they had this year.

Josh Ross their leading tackler and probably the "leader" of their defense is gone

Dax Hill their most gifted DB is probably 50/50 to declare or return. (they lose a starting CB and S as well)

So the 4 most important players on their defense could be gone. Likely 3/4 of them at least.

Losing the presence of their 2 monster pass rushers is a blow enough though.
This is kind of what I wanted to get at. This was UM's one opportunity to beat us. They had experience vs a young and very good group of players from the Buckeye group. The results suck, but that will make our defense better and the experience and anger will carry over. Not even concerned about the offense. We should be able to win out next season in the regular season.
 
This is kind of what I wanted to get at. This was UM's one opportunity to beat us. They had experience vs a young and very good group of players from the Buckeye group. The results suck, but that will make our defense better and the experience and anger will carry over. Not even concerned about the offense. We should be able to win out next season in the regular season.

the offensive line was really inconsistent this year. That’s my only worry on offense. They need to pull it together as a unit next year.
 
the offensive line was really inconsistent this year. That’s my only worry on offense. They need to pull it together as a unit next year.
I think losing Harry Miller at center hurt. I don't feel great about Coach Stud and I think more changes are coming. As of now, at least one coach is leaving, possibly more. Knowles may bring his guys in?
 
The Dline basically had 1 bad year, i'm not panicking over that.

Garrett was a huge disappointment, he lost that fire he had last year and was merely average.

Harrison has been a major bust thus far, I guess it was about time we ended up with a dud of a 5* DE after the run of success we had.

I'm willing to bet next year it gets back on track with JTT and Sawyer getting much more time at DE.

Some hope for LBer, Steele Chambers played pretty decent for a guy who switched last minute this season from RB to LB, he should get better.

The secondary was actually pretty solid this year, it was supposed to be a major weakness. There's a lot to like coming back too.
Yeah -- agreed. It will be huge if Sawyer or JTT take a huge step next year. Harrison is not good. He just hasn't developed at all. He was a guy i was hoping UM got and it was Ojabo we signed in that same class. Ojabo is light years better than Harrison now.

I agree with Chambers too -- I think he is the best LB you have and RB/LB must be a pretty interchangeable position. Hassan Haskins for UM was a LB and he switched to RB. I am actually really surprised OSU doesn't have studs at LB -- it seems like it'd be a position they could find studs from the state of Ohio alone.

The secondary is alright, but there is nothing special about them. There isn't a guy you are afraid to go after. Burke is the best you have in the secondary and UM threw at him all game. We NEVER would have done that against Okudah, Lattimore, Ward, etc. Burke could develop into a shutdown type corner though -- so there is that.

Offensively -- I just laugh at the embarrassment of riches they have at OSU. NFL teams would love to have their WR room. :pound:
 
the offensive line was really inconsistent this year. That’s my only worry on offense. They need to pull it together as a unit next year.
They need to get off this "best 5" crap and start guards at guard instead of tackles. Oh, and good bye, Studwara.
 
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We have to get @Cowboyinexile in here and get his take on this.

Why you trolling on this?

Apparently they threw him fuck you money and he took it. Good for him. I have a feeling we would have matched it but they would have came over the top with stupid money because no one was out bidding Ohio State here.

Great coach, hate to see him leave but I totally get it. That's the way it goes with college football. Only whiny little bitches get upset when someone they don't want to lose takes another job.
 
Ohio State's issue isn't the defensive coordinator. It is their recruiting and development on the defensive side of the ball. They have become soft on defense over the last couple years. They don't have an elite DE like they have had for over a decade, with Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Chase Young, etc. They don't have the lock down CB's they have had for the past decade plus -- they don't have an Okudah, Lattimore, Conley, Arnette, Ward, etc. to lock down half the field. The guys they have can punish the weaker teams, but anyone who can match talent and play physical bullies them.

With the absolutely ridiculous amount of talent they had on offense this year -- there is no chance they should have lost two games. Now they have to hope Egbuka and Fleming can fill the big shoes left by Wilson and Olave.

Their defense was starting 5 underclassmen this year and on top of that the first quarter of the season they were stuck with a D Coordinator that didn't know how to call a defense.

Bringing in talent and developing it on the defensive side of the ball has never and will never be a problem at Ohio St.
 
Their defense was starting 5 underclassmen this year and on top of that the first quarter of the season they were stuck with a D Coordinator that didn't know how to call a defense.

Bringing in talent and developing it on the defensive side of the ball has never and will never be a problem at Ohio St.
What 5 underclassmen did OSU start on defense? RS Sophomore's aren't underclassmen -- they've been at the school 3 years -- they are 'underclassmen' by eligibility alone. They are draft eligible in the NFL.

You guys had two legit underclassmen starting on your defense. Freshman Denzel Burke and Sophomore Cody Simon. Every other player who started for you are 3rd year up to Graduate returnees. Michigan started two true freshmen on their defense this year.
 
Yeah -- agreed. It will be huge if Sawyer or JTT take a huge step next year. Harrison is not good. He just hasn't developed at all. He was a guy i was hoping UM got and it was Ojabo we signed in that same class. Ojabo is light years better than Harrison now.

I agree with Chambers too -- I think he is the best LB you have and RB/LB must be a pretty interchangeable position. Hassan Haskins for UM was a LB and he switched to RB. I am actually really surprised OSU doesn't have studs at LB -- it seems like it'd be a position they could find studs from the state of Ohio alone.

The secondary is alright, but there is nothing special about them. There isn't a guy you are afraid to go after. Burke is the best you have in the secondary and UM threw at him all game. We NEVER would have done that against Okudah, Lattimore, Ward, etc. Burke could develop into a shutdown type corner though -- so there is that.

Offensively -- I just laugh at the embarrassment of riches they have at OSU. NFL teams would love to have their WR room. :pound:

It's been awhile since we've had a truly great LB

Darron Lee I suppose, his last year was 2015.

CJ Hicks in this class is the #12 overall player, hopefully he can step in right away and make a impact

Gabe Powers is #61 overall too high hopes for him as well.

Burke is a stud, he played extremely well for a true freshman. Hickman I guess is kind of a Saftey/OLB type but I suspect he will end up being a decently high draft picks when said and done, his athleticism is off the charts. But those 2 are pretty good anchors to start with for next years secondary
 
What 5 underclassmen did OSU start on defense? RS Sophomore's aren't underclassmen -- they've been at the school 3 years -- they are 'underclassmen' by eligibility alone. They are draft eligible in the NFL.

You guys had two legit underclassmen starting on your defense. Freshman Denzel Burke and Sophomore Cody Simon. Every other player who started for you are 3rd year up to Graduate returnees. Michigan started two true freshmen on their defense this year.

Eh, that's kinda picking nits. Soph i consider underclassman. RS or not. At most, they have 1 year experience on the field prior to this season. That means a lot. Outside of their D-Line, most of the guys who saw major game time were pretty inexperienced.

The 3 things that really jumped out to me this year were:
- D-Line was average at best. No real game wreckers up front
- Linebacker play was very poor. This could possibly be due to youth, but maybe they just arent very good
- Safeties (especially Shaw) took terrible angles on plays and often got burned for huge gains

Their CB play was for the most part pretty good, and when they got out to leads, they could rush the passer pretty well. But yeah, overall the defense this year was mediocre. Upgrades and improvement need to be made. Perhaps the new DC can help here.
 
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