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Wild Turkey said:
I think Warren took off because he started to realize the mess he created and didn't want to stick around and clean it up. The USC & UCLA adds were because he felt the need to answer the Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC move and USC was his biggest opportunity. Now that is an opinion of course but it seems to be playing out.

Let's be real the only piece on the bd that the B1G truly wants is ND and that probably isn't happening until 2036. Does the new guy come in and make his first major decision adding two more PAC teams just to clean up Warren's mess? I wouldn't make that move because USC and UCLA made their bed and the majority of the burden is really on them because for everyone else it's a mild annoyance but really no different than playing an OOC game on the west coast. They really can't create a Western Division because who on the East are you going to put in it? Do you put Nebraska and Iowa in that division? The answer is divisions are gone and no one is going to want to be permanent opponents of west coast teams. The ratings for PAC at Night do not justify the payout that would come with it. Let's be real they could replace those games with MWC and no one would care.

The B1G probably does need 2 more PAC teams and go to a 3 permanent opponent model and that would leave the PAC teams playing each other and everyone else rotates but adding anything else makes zero sense. It's just an absolute mess they've created.
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1. The Commissioner won't be making the decision. He reports to the presidents.

2. The divisions would be for non-football. Football will be divisionless.

3. The unlikely scenario I paint wouldn't require anyone other than the 6 teams in the west.

4. I don't know how valuable the late night slots are, but I would guess they are more profitable that you think.

5. ND is stuck. They have the same GOR problems the ACC has ... at least 5 of their games have to go to the ACC. That won't work with the B1G.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
1. The Commissioner won't be making the decision. He reports to the presidents.

2. The divisions would be for non-football. Football will be divisionless.

3. The unlikely scenario I paint wouldn't require anyone other than the 6 teams in the west.

4. I don't know how valuable the late night slots are, but I would guess they are more profitable that you think.

5. ND is stuck. They have the same GOR problems the ACC has ... at least 5 of their games have to go to the ACC. That won't work with the B1G.
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late night value comes from who is playing i would think. Does late night Colorado at WSU do as well as a late night UCLA at Oregon?
 
OlyDuck said:
late night value comes from who is playing i would think. Does late night Colorado at WSU do as well as a late night UCLA at Oregon?
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10:00-11:00 Timeslot last year:

PAC:
Utah at Oregon - 2.54M
Washington at Washington State - 2.38M
California at USC - 2.04M
Arizona State at USC - 1.92M
Arizona at UCLA - 1.86M
Washington at UCLA - 1.70M
Washington at California - 1.32M
Stanford at UCLA - 1.26M
Utah at Arizona State - 1.21M
Oregon State at Washington - 1.13M
Oregon State at Stanford - 1.08M
Stanford at Utah - 1.04M
Stanford at Oregon - 672K
Stanford at Washington - 532K
UCLA at Arizona State - 490K
Utah at Washington State - 470K

MWC:
Colorado State at Nevada - 433K
Wyoming at Fresno State - 260K
San Diego State at Fresno State - 219K
San Jose State at San Diego State - 146K

The idea that they could replace the PAC content with the MWC and "nobody would notice", is the argument that a stupid person would make.
 
OlyDuck said:
late night value comes from who is playing i would think. Does late night Colorado at WSU do as well as a late night UCLA at Oregon?
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Yeah, as I said in my orinal thoughts on this, they would load those games up with the better teams. Play the 4:00pm PT/7:00 pm ET game with USC and tOSU, then another premier game at 6pt/9et, and then something like Cal v. Purdue at 8PT/10CT/11ET. You have two times zone to work with. They could really own Saturday night, I would think.
 
duckboy33 said:
10:00-11:00 Timeslot last year:

PAC:
Utah at Oregon - 2.54M
Washington at Washington State - 2.38M
California at USC - 2.04M
Arizona State at USC - 1.92M
Arizona at UCLA - 1.86M
Washington at UCLA - 1.70M
Washington at California - 1.32M
Stanford at UCLA - 1.26M
Utah at Arizona State - 1.21M
Oregon State at Washington - 1.13M
Oregon State at Stanford - 1.08M
Stanford at Utah - 1.04M
Stanford at Oregon - 672K
Stanford at Washington - 532K
UCLA at Arizona State - 490K
Utah at Washington State - 470K

MWC:
Colorado State at Nevada - 433K
Wyoming at Fresno State - 260K
San Diego State at Fresno State - 219K
San Jose State at San Diego State - 146K

The idea that they could replace the PAC content with the MWC and "nobody would notice", is the argument that a stupid person would make.
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Those are pretty decent numbers. Add B1G teams and they will immediately go up substantially.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Yeah, as I said in my orinal thoughts on this, they would load those games up with the better teams. Play the 4:00pm PT/7:00 pm ET game with USC and tOSU, then another premier game at 6pt/9et, and then something like Cal v. Purdue at 8PT/10CT/11ET. You have two times zone to work with. They could really own Saturday night, I would think.
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cal purdue brings nothing more than say Washington Cal did.
 
duckboy33 said:
10:00-11:00 Timeslot last year:

PAC:
Utah at Oregon - 2.54M
Washington at Washington State - 2.38M
California at USC - 2.04M
Arizona State at USC - 1.92M
Arizona at UCLA - 1.86M
Washington at UCLA - 1.70M
Washington at California - 1.32M
Stanford at UCLA - 1.26M
Utah at Arizona State - 1.21M
Oregon State at Washington - 1.13M
Oregon State at Stanford - 1.08M
Stanford at Utah - 1.04M
Stanford at Oregon - 672K
Stanford at Washington - 532K
UCLA at Arizona State - 490K
Utah at Washington State - 470K

MWC:
Colorado State at Nevada - 433K
Wyoming at Fresno State - 260K
San Diego State at Fresno State - 219K
San Jose State at San Diego State - 146K

The idea that they could replace the PAC content with the MWC and "nobody would notice", is the argument that a stupid person would make.
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What network was the mwc games from that timeslot on?
 
I hope they work out something, but the gut feel is that......
1. Washington and Oregon end up in the B1G.
2. The Four Corner schools bolt for the Big 12.
3. Stanford and Cal can form Ivy League 2.0

Did I leave anything out ???

They could be a leader in Olympic Sports.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Seems like not a fair comparison when looking at how PAC games did on ESPN.
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Chicken or the egg argument. PAC gets the better spots because they draw more viewers.

Even when you control for network, the PAC seriously outdraws the MWC.
 
OlyDuck said:
cal purdue brings nothing more than say Washington Cal did.
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But it brings it to the B1G. And it will bring more eyeballs because it is the B1G. Way more eyeballs. There is a reason they got the big bucks, and the PAC won’t.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
But it brings it to the B1G. And it will bring more eyeballs because it is the B1G. Way more eyeballs. There is a reason they got the big bucks, and the PAC won’t.
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Only (10-3) Oregon and (11-3) Southern Cal had higher average viewership than (4-8) Nebraska who hasn't even made a bowl game in 6 years.
And that wasn't by much.

12. Oregon — 2.21M
14. Southern Cal — 2.07M
16. Nebraska — 1.98M

You have to get to #25 to get to the next PAC team in (9-4) UCLA at 1.591M

Then come......

33. (10-4) Utah at 1.16M
34. (11-2) Washington — 1.15M

 
Red_Alert said:
Only (10-3) Oregon and (11-3) Southern Cal had higher average viewership than (4-8) Nebraska who hasn't even made a bowl game in 6 years.
And that wasn't by much.

12. Oregon — 2.21M
14. Southern Cal — 2.07M
16. Nebraska — 1.98M

You have to get to #25 to get to the next PAC team in (9-4) UCLA at 1.591M

Then come......

33. (10-4) Utah at 1.16M
34. (11-2) Washington — 1.15M

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More due to the networks than it is anything due to the status of the programs.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
More due to the networks than it is anything due to the status of the programs.
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Everyone watching those games for the most part are either fans or just want to keep drinking and watching games. If I'm in the bourbon then I'm probably watching a late game and if not then I'm probably going to bed.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
But it brings it to the B1G. And it will bring more eyeballs because it is the B1G. Way more eyeballs. There is a reason they got the big bucks, and the PAC won’t.
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yeah those reasons are Ohio State Michigan Penn State.

College Football TV Ratings

I looked back
Purdue vs
Penn State 3.51M
Syracuse 1.21
Minn 829k
Maryland 400k
Nebraska 943k
Wisconsin 1.01M
Iowa 582k
Illinois 835k
Northwestern 209k
Indiana 799k

Washington at Cal was 1.32M and that was more because of Washington than because of Cal.
I take back what I said Purdue vs Cal doesnt touch Washington Cal.
Purdue Cal would be lucky to get similar to Maryland game.
Purdue vs Oregon, Washington Utah on the other hand im sure would do well.
 
OlyDuck said:
yeah those reasons are Ohio State Michigan Penn State.

College Football TV Ratings

I looked back
Purdue vs
Penn State 3.51M
Syracuse 1.21
Minn 829k
Maryland 400k
Nebraska 943k
Wisconsin 1.01M
Iowa 582k
Illinois 835k
Northwestern 209k
Indiana 799k

Washington at Cal was 1.32M and that was more because of Washington than because of Cal.
I take back what I said Purdue vs Cal doesnt touch Washington Cal.
Purdue Cal would be lucky to get similar to Maryland game.
Purdue vs Oregon, Washington Utah on the other hand im sure would do well.
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First, sure ... tOSU, UM, PSU. You realize that isn't a bad thing, right? That would be 3 games every other year that would bring in a lot more money than the PAC does now.

Second, you are underestimating the size of the alumni base in the B1G. You realize there is a reason they are getting a huge contract and the PAC can't even get a contract, right? And when you do, it will be half the size. It's because the B1G schools actually watch the games.

I will bold the B1G, underline what might be the new B1G West, and italicize the PAC and and perhaps you will see why games against these teams will draw more eyeballs.
1 Ohio State — 5.80M
3 Michigan — 4.37M
9 Penn State — 3.05M
12 Oregon — 2.21M
14 Southern Cal — 2.07M
16 Nebraska — 1.98M
17 Michigan State — 1.91M
19 Maryland — 1.864M
25 UCLA — 1.591M
26 Wisconsin — 1.587M
27 Iowa — 1.50M
31 Indiana — 1.19M
32 Illinois — 1.17M
33 Utah — 1.16M
34 Washington — 1.15M
36 Northwestern — 1.13M
37 Minnesota — 1.05M
41 Washington State — 907K
44 Purdue -870K
45 California — 857K
47 Stanford — 846K
57 Oregon State — 625K
58 Rutgers — 618K
62 Arizona — 506K
71 Arizona State — 314K
72 SMU - 312K
83 San Diego State — 198K
 
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WhosYourDawggy said:
First, sure ... tOSU, UM, PSU. You realize that isn't a bad thing, right? That would be 3 games every other year that would bring in a lot more money than the PAC does now.

Second, you are underestimating the size of the alumni base in the B1G. You realize there is a reason they are getting a huge contract and the PAC can't even get a contract, right? And when you do, it will be half the size. It's because the B1G schools actually watch the games.

I will bold the B1G, underline what might be the new B1G West, and italicize the PAC and and perhaps you will see why games against these teams will draw more eyeballs.
1 Ohio State — 5.80M
3 Michigan — 4.37M
9 Penn State — 3.05M
12 Oregon — 2.21M
14 Southern Cal — 2.07M
16 Nebraska — 1.98M
17 Michigan State — 1.91M
19 Maryland — 1.864M
25 UCLA — 1.591M
26 Wisconsin — 1.587M
27 Iowa — 1.50M
31 Indiana — 1.19M
32 Illinois — 1.17M
33 Utah — 1.16M
34 Washington — 1.15M
36 Northwestern — 1.13M
37 Minnesota — 1.05M
41 Washington State — 907K
44 Purdue -870K
45 California — 857K
47 Stanford — 846K
57 Oregon State — 625K
58 Rutgers — 618K
62 Arizona — 506K
71 Arizona State — 314K
72 SMU - 312K
83 San Diego State — 198K
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These numbers give me no indication that Cal vs Purdue would eclipse the Washington Cal numbers.
 
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