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[Thiefery]

There was some very serious talks back in 1990-1991 with FSU and Texas based on stories from the time. Arkansas and South Carolina almost weren't the two expansion teams. Ironically, Texas A&M messed up Texas' move to the SEC in 1991.

UT and aggy would have joined the SEC together if UT had accepted it. They actually gave Arkansas it's blessings to leave because they all saw what was coming. Rice/Baylor/TCU were all private schools who didn't travel. SMU was destroyed after the death penalty. Lots of empty seats because the excitement was gone..it wasn't what it used to be.

Problem was UT admin looked down on the academics the SEC schools had. They felt more aligned with Big10 and the PAC schools. Also another issue was the politics.. the head speaker of the TX house vowed to do everything in his power, along with other elected representatives to keep UT and aggy in the SWC.

Still UT and aggy were in talks.. Stanford was the lone vote no for UT and it needed to be unanimous back then.. think UT persuaded aggy to stick together.. later the merger/birth of the Big12 happened.

So I wouldn't say that aggy messed up the SEC move back then.. I think they wanted to be a part of it, while UT didn't.

 

[Volbound1700]

UT and aggy would have joined the SEC together if UT had accepted it. They actually gave Arkansas it's blessings to leave because they all saw what was coming. Rice/Baylor/TCU were all private schools who didn't travel. SMU was destroyed after the death penalty. Lots of empty seats because the excitement was gone..it wasn't what it used to be.

Problem was UT admin looked down on the academics the SEC schools had. They felt more aligned with Big10 and the PAC schools. Also another issue was the politics.. the head speaker of the TX house vowed to do everything in his power, along with other elected representatives to keep UT and aggy in the SWC.

Still UT and aggy were in talks.. Stanford was the lone vote no for UT and it needed to be unanimous back then.. think UT persuaded aggy to stick together.. later the merger/birth of the Big12 happened.

So I wouldn't say that aggy messed up the SEC move back then.. I think they wanted to be a part of it, while UT didn't.

Thanks. I have heard fingers pointed at both UT and Texas A&M. I wasn't sure who was correct. Ironically that it eventually happened, it just took 30 years.

 

[Thiefery]

Thanks. I have heard fingers pointed at both UT and Texas A&M. I wasn't sure who was correct. Ironically that it eventually happened, it just took 30 years.

Yeah.. SWC wouldn't have worked no matter what.. think 8 of the 9 schools resided in TX.. I also heard from the older fans that they reached out to the BiG but they didn't want to expand at that time. If they were, UT would have accepted an invite from them too

 

[Volbound1700]

Yeah.. SWC wouldn't have worked no matter what.. think 8 of the 9 schools resided in TX.. I also heard from the older fans that they reached out to the BiG but they didn't want to expand at that time. If they were, UT would have accepted an invite from them too

I really would have liked to see the original Big12 still be together. Sure it would be less profitable in today's TV market but it was a good league and balanced with all sports. At the time, it seemed like a good move to take 3-4 of the SWC schools and merge with the Big 8.

 

[Volbound1700]

Wow, surprised there is a Georgia Tech fan streaming...

 

[Red_Alert]

Problem was UT admin looked down on the academics the SEC schools had. They felt more aligned with Big10 and the PAC schools. Also another issue was the politics.. the head speaker of the TX house vowed to do everything in his power, along with other elected representatives to keep UT and aggy in the SWC.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Big Ten Expansion Dates Reportedly Boil Down To One Date In April

Big Ten expansion might really start cooking in late April once Kevin Warren leaves. Will Oregon and Washington join the B1G?

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Big Ten expansion might really start cooking in late April.

There’s been smoking swirling the Big Ten is getting ready to welcome Oregon and Washington for a reduced revenue split. It’s believed both programs might join the B1G for roughly $40 million annually.

Seeing as how the PAC-12 can’t land a new media deal, it’s very tempting for the Ducks and Huskies. Even if George Kliavkoff’s conference does land a new deal, it won’t come close to touching $40 million.

The great fear for the PAC-12 is that once Oregon and Washington leave for the Big Ten, several other teams will jump for the Big 12. However, movement isn’t expected until Kevin Warren leaves the B1G.


So the buzz on Washington and Oregon joining the B1G for a lower cut of revenue is picking up steam and even if this isn't true it is sure to kill the PAC because no way anyone is going to do a network deal with them if they don't have GORs from Washington and Oregon. If this stretches out into April that makes that PAC Commissioner miss his deadline and more than likely the corner schools bolt.

What I am curious about is whether the lower revenue cut is going to last forever or will it be phased out? If it eventually phases out then it's a smart move for both schools because they will have assured their future and will just have to do their time but if it's forever that is going to eventually be an issue because they will have extensive travel costs increases and half the budget that the other schools have to work with for recruiting, staff and other resources.

 

[Volbound1700]

Big Ten Expansion Dates Reportedly Boil Down To One Date In April

Big Ten expansion might really start cooking in late April once Kevin Warren leaves. Will Oregon and Washington join the B1G?

www.outkick.com

Big Ten expansion might really start cooking in late April.

There’s been smoking swirling the Big Ten is getting ready to welcome Oregon and Washington for a reduced revenue split. It’s believed both programs might join the B1G for roughly $40 million annually.

Seeing as how the PAC-12 can’t land a new media deal, it’s very tempting for the Ducks and Huskies. Even if George Kliavkoff’s conference does land a new deal, it won’t come close to touching $40 million.

The great fear for the PAC-12 is that once Oregon and Washington leave for the Big Ten, several other teams will jump for the Big 12. However, movement isn’t expected until Kevin Warren leaves the B1G.


So the buzz on Washington and Oregon joining the B1G for a lower cut of revenue is picking up steam and even if this isn't true it is sure to kill the PAC because no way anyone is going to do a network deal with them if they don't have GORs from Washington and Oregon. If this stretches out into April that makes that PAC Commissioner miss his deadline and more than likely the corner schools bolt.

What I am curious about is whether the lower revenue cut is going to last forever or will it be phased out? If it eventually phases out then it's a smart move for both schools because they will have assured their future and will just have to do their time but if it's forever that is going to eventually be an issue because they will have extensive travel costs increases and half the budget that the other schools have to work with for recruiting, staff and other resources.

I am thinking they are trying to get their Commissioner in place first as you pointed out.

I know it may sound crazy but don't 100% sleep on a Northern Cali school getting in as well to get into that market/recruiting area. I doubt they would take both schools. I think they will go after Notre Dame again very hard and try to get Notre Dame and Stanford with this expansion.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I am thinking they are trying to get their Commissioner in place first as you pointed out.

I know it may sound crazy but don't 100% sleep on a Northern Cali school getting in as well to get into that market/recruiting area. I doubt they would take both schools. I think they will go after Notre Dame again very hard and try to get Notre Dame and Stanford with this expansion.

With USC & UCLA they own the state of California recruiting wise so they aren't going to feel any pressure to take any more California schools and quite honestly the value isn't there so I couldn't disagree with you more there.

As long as the ACC stays together Notre Dame isn't going anywhere because between the money they get from the ACC plus the new deal money they got from NBC they are close enough in revenue to the B1G and SEC schools to make staying independent make sense for them. For them to change course it will take a massive change in revenue distribution (which won't happen anytime soon) or the ACC folds and they don't have a viable home for their other sports. If the B1G takes both Washington and Oregon then I don't see a scenario where the ACC folds before the end of the GOR because the only way it would happen is if enough schools decided to leave at once and voted to end the GOR. The max I see the SEC ever taking is 4 and I just don't see the B1G having an appetite to take ACC schools on top of the 4 PAC schools so the ACC is good until 2036.

If the B1G doesn't take Oregon and Washington then within 5 years we will at least see an attempt by ACC schools to try and kill the league if it can be done.

Can you imagine being Oregon and Washington and having to swallow taking less money than UCLA, Minnesota, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue and Rutgers? You gotta do what you gotta do but damn.

 

[TheReal_NU]

Can you imagine being Oregon and Washington and having to swallow taking less money than UCLA, Minnesota, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue and Rutgers? You gotta do what you gotta do but damn.

Wait till they find out they have to scrub the toilets after Michigan is done.

 

[Volbound1700]

With USC & UCLA they own the state of California recruiting wise so they aren't going to feel any pressure to take any more California schools and quite honestly the value isn't there so I couldn't disagree with you more there.

As long as the ACC stays together Notre Dame isn't going anywhere because between the money they get from the ACC plus the new deal money they got from NBC they are close enough in revenue to the B1G and SEC schools to make staying independent make sense for them. For them to change course it will take a massive change in revenue distribution (which won't happen anytime soon) or the ACC folds and they don't have a viable home for their other sports. If the B1G takes both Washington and Oregon then I don't see a scenario where the ACC folds before the end of the GOR because the only way it would happen is if enough schools decided to leave at once and voted to end the GOR. The max I see the SEC ever taking is 4 and I just don't see the B1G having an appetite to take ACC schools on top of the 4 PAC schools so the ACC is good until 2036.

If the B1G doesn't take Oregon and Washington then within 5 years we will at least see an attempt by ACC schools to try and kill the league if it can be done.

Can you imagine being Oregon and Washington and having to swallow taking less money than UCLA, Minnesota, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue and Rutgers? You gotta do what you gotta do but damn.

May not go well but if B1G adds Stanford, they could threaten to cancel all OOC series with Notre Dame. Notre Dame would lose its West Coast Rivals (as well as B1G rivals) and that might be enough to push them to say yes.

I mean they are going to make bank if they join the B1G, it is more independence that is keeping them out right now.

Regarding last sentence, desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[Thiefery]

Go ahead and add the PAC door too.. UT killed them in 2011

 

[Thiefery]

With USC & UCLA they own the state of California recruiting wise so they aren't going to feel any pressure to take any more California schools and quite honestly the value isn't there so I couldn't disagree with you more there.

As long as the ACC stays together Notre Dame isn't going anywhere because between the money they get from the ACC plus the new deal money they got from NBC they are close enough in revenue to the B1G and SEC schools to make staying independent make sense for them. For them to change course it will take a massive change in revenue distribution (which won't happen anytime soon) or the ACC folds and they don't have a viable home for their other sports. If the B1G takes both Washington and Oregon then I don't see a scenario where the ACC folds before the end of the GOR because the only way it would happen is if enough schools decided to leave at once and voted to end the GOR. The max I see the SEC ever taking is 4 and I just don't see the B1G having an appetite to take ACC schools on top of the 4 PAC schools so the ACC is good until 2036.

If the B1G doesn't take Oregon and Washington then within 5 years we will at least see an attempt by ACC schools to try and kill the league if it can be done.

Can you imagine being Oregon and Washington and having to swallow taking less money than UCLA, Minnesota, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue and Rutgers? You gotta do what you gotta do but damn.

you know.. if I'm SC and UCLA.. not sure I would want to add anymore schools from the PAC.. being the only two schools in the West in the BiG probably helps them more in recruiting and with donations.

Sure travel is going to be a pain but i'm sure the conference will give them a break with strategic bye weeks before or after traveling to the East coast. Hate to say it but Oregon and Udub aren't going to raise the cut the schools are set to be making. Only ND can really do that at this point.

 

[Volbound1700]

you know.. if I'm SC and UCLA.. not sure I would want to add anymore schools from the PAC.. being the only two schools in the West in the BiG probably helps them more in recruiting and with donations.

Sure travel is going to be a pain but i'm sure the conference will give them a break with strategic bye weeks before or after traveling to the East coast. Hate to say it but Oregon and Udub aren't going to raise the cut the schools are set to be making. Only ND can really do that at this point.

I think that is why they are having to take a pay cut. I think that UCLA and USC won't some travel relief (although both of those teams are far away too) and the B1G wants a West Coast Division.

A sleeper that I could potentially see is Arizona. I haven't heard anything about it so this is just personal speculation but if Notre Dame does not work out, Stanford and Arizona may complete that division. You get a 6-team, filtered down PAC division in the B1G. Keep in mind that B1G is huge on academics as well and Stanford (and/or Cal) drive that. I wouldn't be surprised if you have one (or possibly both) of the Northern California teams included.

 

[Wild Turkey]

May not go well but if B1G adds Stanford, they could threaten to cancel all OOC series with Notre Dame. Notre Dame would lose its West Coast Rivals (as well as B1G rivals) and that might be enough to push them to say yes.

I mean they are going to make bank if they join the B1G, it is more independence that is keeping them out right now.

Regarding last sentence, desperate times call for desperate measures.

Notre Dame isn’t going anywhere and the scenario you dreamed up is just throwing shit against a wall to see if it will stick.

It doesn’t.

The B1G has zero interest in Stanford.

 

[Wild Turkey]

you know.. if I'm SC and UCLA.. not sure I would want to add anymore schools from the PAC.. being the only two schools in the West in the BiG probably helps them more in recruiting and with donations.

Sure travel is going to be a pain but i'm sure the conference will give them a break with strategic bye weeks before or after traveling to the East coast. Hate to say it but Oregon and Udub aren't going to raise the cut the schools are set to be making. Only ND can really do that at this point.

I don’t think it makes sense either and thought it was all noise but it does appear to be noise that is getting louder.

If Washington and Oregon take a reduced revenue split and the other schools split and keep the difference they may go for it.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

With USC & UCLA they own the state of California recruiting wise so they aren't going to feel any pressure to take any more California schools and quite honestly the value isn't there so I couldn't disagree with you more there.

As long as the ACC stays together Notre Dame isn't going anywhere because between the money they get from the ACC plus the new deal money they got from NBC they are close enough in revenue to the B1G and SEC schools to make staying independent make sense for them. For them to change course it will take a massive change in revenue distribution (which won't happen anytime soon) or the ACC folds and they don't have a viable home for their other sports. If the B1G takes both Washington and Oregon then I don't see a scenario where the ACC folds before the end of the GOR because the only way it would happen is if enough schools decided to leave at once and voted to end the GOR. The max I see the SEC ever taking is 4 and I just don't see the B1G having an appetite to take ACC schools on top of the 4 PAC schools so the ACC is good until 2036.

If the B1G doesn't take Oregon and Washington then within 5 years we will at least see an attempt by ACC schools to try and kill the league if it can be done.

Can you imagine being Oregon and Washington and having to swallow taking less money than UCLA, Minnesota, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue and Rutgers? You gotta do what you gotta do but damn.

Here is what I am asking people when they post the bolded above:

- Which 8 schools?
- In what conference do those 8 schools land?
- If you say the SEC, why do you think the SEC wants to expand?
- If you say to make more money, show your math.

The "expansion for expansion's sake" rhetoric is crazy IMO.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Here is what I am asking people when they post the bolded above:

- Which 8 schools?
- In what conference do those 8 schools land?
- If you say the SEC, why do you think the SEC wants to expand?
- If you say to make more money, show your math.

The "expansion for expansion's sake" rhetoric is crazy IMO.

I think they could get 7 but 8 seems way too big and the logic is this:

To The SEC:
- FSU
- Clemson
- UNC
- UVA or VT
(My logic is this I think the 1st three the SEC will want and they will want the league balanced so Virginia is a massive state and solidifies the South for the SEC)

To The B1G:
- UVA or VT
- Duke
- Miami / Boston College
- Defacto get Notre Dame because they have nowhere to go
(My logic on this is that all the schools listed are AAU and most get massive research grants which a big deal to the B1G presidents. Financially Miam is the only one that has a shot at getting the eyeballs so that is conceded).

Problems:
- It would most likely take 8 to break the GOR so those 7 schools would probably have to buy off someone to make it happen but if they all chipped in 50mm for a total of 350mm they could probably talk a Wake Forest into taking the dough.
- Not all the schools would be worth it to the networks but I think both conferences could push the expansion through based on their pull and a crap ton of quality inventory is about to die so content will be at a premium (we are assuming at this point the PAC and ACC are dead leaving only two major players on the board).
- Both conferences would probably be too large at that point to be honest but I think the control aspect of all college sports would be too hard to pass up.
- If the B1G takes both Washington and Oregon fit makes this almost impossible to pull off and the odds aren't great anyway

It may be 2036 before anything happens and by then Clemson and FSU might have been so starved of cash/NIL that their value is gone. It's probably an overstatement but it feels like both those schools might be fighting a losing battle for survival because a 30 to 50 million dollar deficit might be too much.

 

[Thiefery]

Here is what I am asking people when they post the bolded above:

- Which 8 schools?
- In what conference do those 8 schools land?
- If you say the SEC, why do you think the SEC wants to expand?
- If you say to make more money, show your math.

The "expansion for expansion's sake" rhetoric is crazy IMO.

yeah i agree.. there's 14 ACC schools.. Which 7 would be called up to either the BiG or SEC? The schools left are willing to go to the Big12 and take a paycut?ehhhh

 

[Thiefery]

I think they could get 7 but 8 seems way too big and the logic is this:

To The SEC:
- FSU
- Clemson
- UNC
- UVA or VT
(My logic is this I think the 1st three the SEC will want and they will want the league balanced so Virginia is a massive state and solidifies the South for the SEC)

To The B1G:
- UVA or VT
- Duke
- Miami / Boston College
- Defacto get Notre Dame because they have nowhere to go
(My logic on this is that all the schools listed are AAU and most get massive research grants which a big deal to the B1G presidents. Financially Miam is the only one that has a shot at getting the eyeballs so that is conceded).

Problems:
- It would most likely take 8 to break the GOR so those 7 schools would probably have to buy off someone to make it happen but if they all chipped in 50mm for a total of 350mm they could probably talk a Wake Forest into taking the dough.
- Not all the schools would be worth it to the networks but I think both conferences could push the expansion through based on their pull and a crap ton of quality inventory is about to die so content will be at a premium (we are assuming at this point the PAC and ACC are dead leaving only two major players on the board).
- Both conferences would probably be too large at that point to be honest but I think the control aspect of all college sports would be too hard to pass up.
- If the B1G takes both Washington and Oregon fit makes this almost impossible to pull off and the odds aren't great anyway

It may be 2036 before anything happens and by then Clemson and FSU might have been so starved of cash/NIL that their value is gone. It's probably an overstatement but it feels like both those schools might be fighting a losing battle for survival because a 30 to 50 million dollar deficit might be too much.

Wait.. how does UVA/BC/VT/Duke or Miami... increase the school payouts in the BiG? BiG would want ND first and foremost, then it probably looks into UVA/UNC.. Not sure if Miami is that desirable