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Wild Turkey said:
People say that the SEC is a one or two-team league but the truth is that if any of these teams are on and playing someone with a heartbeat (not a Furman or Georgia Southern) then people are going to watch:

Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee
LSU
aTm
add: Oklahoma & Texas

All of the above most likely will have 2mm watching regardless of who they play.

Teams that get great fanbase support so you know there will be around 2mm watching most games:

Ole Miss
Miss State
South Carolina
Arkansas

The only ones that aren't automatic draws but if they are playing other SEC teams will draw anyway are:

Kentucky
Vandy
Mizzou

I watch a ton of SEC football, especially the ones Auburn is going to play for scouting purposes and that is way more standard down here than I think anywhere else. The PAC struggles to get even their Alumni to watch their own games.

It's just a ton of inventory that will be watched.
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I think your numbers are way off on that middle group unless they are playing the top group. The actual averages are below, as are the actual 2022 ratings.

Why the SEC is going to make so much money under the 3-6-6 format is that the games involving the top group are going to be 3X more prevalent, driving numbers through the roof. It's why the SEC's top group is much larger than the B1Gs which is why they will ultimately make more money - that and more teams in the CFP.

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College Football TV Ratings

College football TV ratings for the 2024 regular season, bowls, College Football Playoff and National Championship.
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  1. Ohio State — 5.80M
  2. Alabama — 5.11M
  3. Michigan — 4.37M
  4. Tennessee — 4.13M
  5. Georgia — 3.50M
  6. Notre Dame — 3.30M
  7. LSU — 3.22M
  8. Texas — 3.06M
  9. Penn State — 3.05M
  10. Clemson — 2.59M
  11. Florida — 2.57M
  12. Oregon — 2.21M
  13. TCU — 2.20M
  14. Southern Cal — 2.07M
  15. Florida State — 2.03M
  16. Nebraska — 1.98M
  17. Michigan State — 1.91M
  18. Texas A&M — 1.87M
  19. Maryland — 1.864M
  20. Auburn — 1.863M
  21. Arkansas — 1.80M
  22. Mississippi — 1.753M
  23. Oklahoma — 1.748M
  24. Oklahoma State — 1.68M
  25. UCLA — 1.591M
  26. Wisconsin — 1.587M
  27. Iowa — 1.50M
  28. Kentucky — 1.35M
  29. Baylor — 1.32M
  30. Kansas State — 1.23M
  31. Indiana — 1.19M
  32. Illinois — 1.17M
  33. Utah — 1.16M
  34. Washington — 1.15M
  35. Northwestern — 1.13M
  36. Mississippi State — 1.10M
  37. Minnesota — 1.05M
  38. BYU — 997K
  39. South Carolina — 990K
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I think your numbers are way off on that middle group unless they are playing the top group. The actual averages are below, as are the actual 2022 ratings.

Why the SEC is going to make so much money under the 3-6-6 format is that the games involving the top group are going to be 3X more prevalent, driving numbers through the roof. It's why the SEC's top group is much larger than the B1Gs which is why they will ultimately make more money - that and more teams in the CFP.

www.sportsmediawatch.com

College Football TV Ratings

College football TV ratings for the 2024 regular season, bowls, College Football Playoff and National Championship.
www.sportsmediawatch.com www.sportsmediawatch.com
  1. Ohio State — 5.80M
  2. Alabama — 5.11M
  3. Michigan — 4.37M
  4. Tennessee — 4.13M
  5. Georgia — 3.50M
  6. Notre Dame — 3.30M
  7. LSU — 3.22M
  8. Texas — 3.06M
  9. Penn State — 3.05M
  10. Clemson — 2.59M
  11. Florida — 2.57M
  12. Oregon — 2.21M
  13. TCU — 2.20M
  14. Southern Cal — 2.07M
  15. Florida State — 2.03M
  16. Nebraska — 1.98M
  17. Michigan State — 1.91M
  18. Texas A&M — 1.87M
  19. Maryland — 1.864M
  20. Auburn — 1.863M
  21. Arkansas — 1.80M
  22. Mississippi — 1.753M
  23. Oklahoma — 1.748M
  24. Oklahoma State — 1.68M
  25. UCLA — 1.591M
  26. Wisconsin — 1.587M
  27. Iowa — 1.50M
  28. Kentucky — 1.35M
  29. Baylor — 1.32M
  30. Kansas State — 1.23M
  31. Indiana — 1.19M
  32. Illinois — 1.17M
  33. Utah — 1.16M
  34. Washington — 1.15M
  35. Northwestern — 1.13M
  36. Mississippi State — 1.10M
  37. Minnesota — 1.05M
  38. BYU — 997K
  39. South Carolina — 990K
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I’m not that far off.

The point is solid regardless.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I think your numbers are way off on that middle group unless they are playing the top group. The actual averages are below, as are the actual 2022 ratings.

Why the SEC is going to make so much money under the 3-6-6 format is that the games involving the top group are going to be 3X more prevalent, driving numbers through the roof. It's why the SEC's top group is much larger than the B1Gs which is why they will ultimately make more money - that and more teams in the CFP.

www.sportsmediawatch.com

College Football TV Ratings

College football TV ratings for the 2024 regular season, bowls, College Football Playoff and National Championship.
www.sportsmediawatch.com www.sportsmediawatch.com
  1. Ohio State — 5.80M
  2. Alabama — 5.11M
  3. Michigan — 4.37M
  4. Tennessee — 4.13M
  5. Georgia — 3.50M
  6. Notre Dame — 3.30M
  7. LSU — 3.22M
  8. Texas — 3.06M
  9. Penn State — 3.05M
  10. Clemson — 2.59M
  11. Florida — 2.57M
  12. Oregon — 2.21M
  13. TCU — 2.20M
  14. Southern Cal — 2.07M
  15. Florida State — 2.03M
  16. Nebraska — 1.98M
  17. Michigan State — 1.91M
  18. Texas A&M — 1.87M
  19. Maryland — 1.864M
  20. Auburn — 1.863M
  21. Arkansas — 1.80M
  22. Mississippi — 1.753M
  23. Oklahoma — 1.748M
  24. Oklahoma State — 1.68M
  25. UCLA — 1.591M
  26. Wisconsin — 1.587M
  27. Iowa — 1.50M
  28. Kentucky — 1.35M
  29. Baylor — 1.32M
  30. Kansas State — 1.23M
  31. Indiana — 1.19M
  32. Illinois — 1.17M
  33. Utah — 1.16M
  34. Washington — 1.15M
  35. Northwestern — 1.13M
  36. Mississippi State — 1.10M
  37. Minnesota — 1.05M
  38. BYU — 997K
  39. South Carolina — 990K
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Actually looking over this list, I think you actually supported @Wild Turkey's argument more than negating it. Also, Texas A&M needed to be bold. I was wondering where they were at and caught it.

Surprising that Arkansas is ahead of Oklahoma and Ole Miss.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Auburn was up against Alabama vs LSU and Clemson vs Notre Dame on that week.

That game has pulled 6mm viewers in the past: CFB Week 7 TV Ratings: Auburn/Mississippi St. Up on CBS, Tops Week

That's the top-rated one granted but Auburn vs Miss State pulled a 3.8 and that's a little more than Oregon and Washington did this year and both were highly ranked.

Just saying.
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yeah in a year where 2 and 3 are playing it makes sense that ratings will be high like that.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Actually looking over this list, I think you actually supported @Wild Turkey's argument more than negating it. Also, Texas A&M needed to be bold. I was wondering where they were at and caught it.

Surprising that Arkansas is ahead of Oklahoma and Ole Miss.
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if anything just showed a little off on the break down and that due to lower numbers than presented that the opponent does matter.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
To be honest, the Washinton name doesn't do anything for me and I'm a big CFB fan, obviously. Oregon and USC are the two that people would watch, UCLA a distant 3rd. No one else really does much to people on the east coast.
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interesting. but I think thats a regional bias thing because i have a hard time noticing when teams not named UGA and Bama do much down there.
I think people outside of the Pac 12 footprint see things like Oregon get beat by UGA and write Oregon off the rest of the season.
they saw Oregon get beat by Utah in 21 2x and ignore that game. watch Oregon state have a good season but not string together wins so 10 win season and a top 20 ranking means less outside the area.
its like back when USC was on top with Pete. USC loses to a 10-4 Oregon State team and means USC was exposed but Florida loses to an 11-2 team its because the SEC is so tough.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Actually looking over this list, I think you actually supported @Wild Turkey's argument more than negating it. Also, Texas A&M needed to be bold. I was wondering where they were at and caught it.

Surprising that Arkansas is ahead of Oklahoma and Ole Miss.
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Never underestimate the pig aggies.
 
Red_Alert said:
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what i love about this is that these conferences "died" when UT left.. SWC, Big12.. both needed UT to carry the conference.. Nebraska couldn't do it for the Big 8, and even when they left the remaining schools got more money with it's tier 1 and 2 deals than a lot of programs that had all of it's rights tied into their conference.

The days of other schools getting upset because of what UT is making and demanding that they should be included in that, are over.
 
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Thiefery said:
what i love about this is that these conferences "died" when UT left.. SWC, Big12.. both needed UT to carry the conference.. Nebraska couldn't do it for the Big 8, and even when they left the remaining schools got more money with it's tier 1 and 2 deals than a lot of programs that had all of it's rights tied into their conference.

The days of other schools getting upset because of what UT is making and demanding that they should be included in that, are over.
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e. It is still ALL Texas’ fault and will be FOREVER. Title IX was all Texas’ fault. Conference realignment was all Texas’ fault. NIL is all Texas’s fault. Transfer portal is all Texas’s fault. My Miner’s sucking is all Texas’ fault…..etc, etc……
 
Deep Creek said:
Nop

e. It is still ALL Texas’ fault and will be FOREVER. Title IX was all Texas’ fault. Conference realignment was all Texas’ fault. NIL is all Texas’s fault. Transfer portal is all Texas’s fault. My Miner’s sucking is all Texas’ fault…..etc, etc……
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lol Yep UT is the reason why UTEP home attendance avg of 45k in 2005 has dropped to 18k.. UT requires 60% of the student bodies to travel to Austin whenever a home game is being played there lol

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i read that while this time that the Pac has been taking has been long and people think it should all be done and they are getting too close to when the current one ends it is still like 14 months away.
the last Big Ten deal finished all but 11 months prior to their expiration.
 
OlyDuck said:
i read that while this time that the Pac has been taking has been long and people think it should all be done and they are getting too close to when the current one ends it is still like 14 months away.
the last Big Ten deal finished all but 11 months prior to their expiration.
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I don't think any of the things you listed are the problems people care about. What people are observing is:

- why it is taking so long because it indicates you can't get a deal. It's not all that complicated if you have a product people desire and media partners that think they can make money.

- because the longer you take, the more it is clear that you have schools that really don't want to commit to the PAC, want to be in the B1G and are selfishly looking after their own interests, not that there is anything wrong with that, but if it were me I'd be looking elsewhere, too.

- because the longer it goes the more likely it's going to be on subpar media platforms that no one wants, and that will limit your exposure.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't think any of the things you listed are the problems people care about. What people are observing is:

- why it is taking so long because it indicates you can't get a deal. It's not all that complicated if you have a product people desire and media partners that think they can make money.

- because the longer you take, the more it is clear that you have schools that really don't want to commit to the PAC, want to be in the B1G and are selfishly looking after their own interests, not that there is anything wrong with that, but if it were me I'd be looking elsewhere, too.

- because the longer it goes the more likely it's going to be on subpar media platforms that no one wants, and that will limit your exposure.
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no it means the longer it takes the more speculation that all those things must be true.
 
OlyDuck said:
i read that while this time that the Pac has been taking has been long and people think it should all be done and they are getting too close to when the current one ends it is still like 14 months away.
the last Big Ten deal finished all but 11 months prior to their expiration.
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I don't think timing alone is creating the storylines. It's the timing along with the other factors. Big 12 is looking to expand, Big Ten might be looking to expand with a new commissioner and the PAC has limited bidders due to numerous reasons that are being reported on (Streaming is in the Red, ESPN is cutting back, etc.)
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't think any of the things you listed are the problems people care about. What people are observing is:

- why it is taking so long because it indicates you can't get a deal. It's not all that complicated if you have a product people desire and media partners that think they can make money.

- because the longer you take, the more it is clear that you have schools that really don't want to commit to the PAC, want to be in the B1G and are selfishly looking after their own interests, not that there is anything wrong with that, but if it were me I'd be looking elsewhere, too.

- because the longer it goes the more likely it's going to be on subpar media platforms that no one wants, and that will limit your exposure.
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didn't one of the ADs come out and give the new commish a deadline by sometime this month? Like it's not the media or scuttlebutt that's making them look bad..they are doing it themselves
 
Thiefery said:
didn't one of the ADs come out and give the new commish a deadline by sometime this month? Like it's not the media or scuttlebutt that's making them look bad..they are doing it themselves
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Just reported that it will be several months. I've posted this before - this is easy ... UO and UW aren't going to sign a GOR until they are sure that they can't get into the B1G. That isn't happening until a new commissioner is hired. And media isn't doing a deal until they know if UO and UW are in the PAC and have signed a GOR. So, once those things fall into place, one way or the other, it will be over fast.

Stop and think about it. There is nothing else that they could be waiting on. They all ran the numbers within a week of starting negotiations. It ain't magic. It's not like if the PAC just waits 2 more months Fox or ESPN or someone else is suddenly going to go, damn we were wrong on our numbers ... we should be giving you another $250 million.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Just reported that it will be several months. I've posted this before - this is easy ... UO and UW aren't going to sign a GOR until they are sure that they can't get into the B1G. That isn't happening until a new commissioner is hired. And media isn't doing a deal until they know if UO and UW are in the PAC and have signed a GOR. So, once those things fall into place, one way or the other, it will be over fast.

Stop and think about it. There is nothing else that they could be waiting on. They all ran the numbers within a week of starting negotiations. It ain't magic. It's not like if the PAC just waits 2 more months Fox or ESPN or someone else is suddenly going to go, damn we were wrong on our numbers ... we should be giving you another $250 million.
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actually there is. Oregon doesnt have an actual president in place to sign things. sure there is an interim now, again. the last interim left.
also as has been said before Fox and ESPN and CBS have done all this before and most contracts. other entities that might be involved havent and so contracts are being drawn up fresh.

i still dont think the GOR is as big a hindrance as you think it is at this point. maybe back in summer early fall but not as much now.
 
Mandel from espin reporting late spring/early summer. That Robbins dudes going to be pissed his soft mid April date is going to get ignored.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Just reported that it will be several months. I've posted this before - this is easy ... UO and UW aren't going to sign a GOR until they are sure that they can't get into the B1G. That isn't happening until a new commissioner is hired. And media isn't doing a deal until they know if UO and UW are in the PAC and have signed a GOR. So, once those things fall into place, one way or the other, it will be over fast.

Stop and think about it. There is nothing else that they could be waiting on. They all ran the numbers within a week of starting negotiations. It ain't magic. It's not like if the PAC just waits 2 more months Fox or ESPN or someone else is suddenly going to go, damn we were wrong on our numbers ... we should be giving you another $250 million.
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On the border/desert, you just described what we refer to as a “Mexican standoff”.
 
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