Pac12 expansion - looking to add 4 teams

ericd7633 said:
So your plan is to wait around for a P4 invite that will not come by the 2026 deadline, and then to save their ass, have to spend 75% more to essentially do what they've just done? That makes no sense and isn't very financially smart.
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Im arguing it’s a downgrade Eric, no matter if they had to do it or not. You even agreed it is then were confused why I thought it is. They didn’t go from over 30 to 0. They have money (more than they would make in the PAC) that’s keeping them afloat these next two years. But it’s going to be a downgrade significantly from even these next two years when they are going from what they have to maybe $15 mill a year annually after everything.
 
Red_Alert said:
Both the (new) PAC and the MWC will be in media rights negotiations in 2026.

$10 million/school is likely the ceiling for both conferences.
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Pac will have a higher ceiling than MW. no way MWC gets close to 10. they were making like 4 mil per with those 4 schools. only way they even make the 4 again is if they get the same contract and dont add anyone and stay at 8. or only add 2 more.
 
ericd7633 said:
So your plan is to wait around for a P4 invite that will not come by the 2026 deadline, and then to save their ass, have to spend 75% more to essentially do what they've just done? That makes no sense and isn't very financially smart.
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Could both go independent and wait for the smoke to settle? We have another round of consolidation in a few years as we move towards just 4 mega conferences in the FBS division. Then I could see the 4 conferences having an FBS relegation league setup. So the SEC, B1G, ACC, and Big12 would be all that is left but each one would have a Premier League and then a second tier with relegation and promotion. In that scenario the SEC would first look at independents that they could pick up for free. ND is the big name there but Oregon St and Wash St would be good SEC pickups to get that section of the country and their sports somewhat line up. Up-and-down football programs, very good baseball programs, and basketball exists but runs third tier.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Im arguing it’s a downgrade Eric, no matter if they had to do it or not. You even agreed it is then were confused why I thought it is. They didn’t go from over 30 to 0. They have money (more than they would make in the PAC) that’s keeping them afloat these next two years. But it’s going to be a downgrade significantly from even these next two years when they are going from what they have to maybe $15 mill a year annually after everything.
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Again, it's a downgrade from what they were when the P12 was a thing. Not whatever iteration this P2 was. It is an upgrade to be in a conference, have access to the CFP, and have a better TV deal. You keep focusing on something that no longer exists. @duckboy33 said it best earlier.
 
ericd7633 said:
Again, it's a downgrade from what they were when the P12 was a thing. Not whatever iteration this P2 was. It is an upgrade to be in a conference, have access to the CFP, and have a better TV deal. You keep focusing on something that no longer exists. @duckboy33 said it best earlier.
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This is all about money. It’s a downgrade money wise to even where they are now. You keep pretending they are at 0 or only have what the CW pays for home games when in actuality they are sitting that war chest paying bills and starting a conference. They aren’t getting anything close to that or the 30+ they made in the PAc 12 when 2026 rolls around. That’s why this is a downgrade. Let’s just agree to disagree.
 
fordman84 said:
Could both go independent and wait for the smoke to settle? We have another round of consolidation in a few years as we move towards just 4 mega conferences in the FBS division. Then I could see the 4 conferences having an FBS relegation league setup. So the SEC, B1G, ACC, and Big12 would be all that is left but each one would have a Premier League and then a second tier with relegation and promotion. In that scenario the SEC would first look at independents that they could pick up for free. ND is the big name there but Oregon St and Wash St would be good SEC pickups to get that section of the country and their sports somewhat line up. Up-and-down football programs, very good baseball programs, and basketball exists but runs third tier.
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I'm not sure their other sports would have a landing spot while the football programs are independent. They need to have a plan in place by summer of 2026, when their grace period with the NCAA comes up. I don't think waiting around is the best choice because of they want to keep the conference they needed to act when they did.
 
I’d like to see Memphis and Tulane added for the next phase to get to eight.
 
i mean, the reality of the situation is that Oregon and Washington should both only have one P2/P4/P5 major conference team in their respective states. Neither states have great HS football and with the exception of CA (and even then, isn't most of the CA talent in SoCal? Please correct me if I'm wrong) none of their border states have good HS football either. On top of that, Oregon only has a population of 4.2m. Washington is a bit bigger at 7m.

It's sad what has happened to Oregon State and Washington State, but they aren't wanted commodoties. The glorified MWC is their future and I doubt that's going to change. The same thing is going to happen to schools like Wake and Duke. There's probably others.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
That's a lot of travel cost added.
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That’s fair, still to me they would be the two most viable and attractive candidates to add based on market, brand, on the field success, etc. for the next phase to get to the minimum of eight if they were willing to leave.

It looks like the exit fee would be about $10MM each. That’s not chump change but it’s a hell of a lot less than the MWC exit fee.
 
Boise4Life said:
That’s fair, still to me they would be the two most viable and attractive candidates to add based on market, brand, on the field success, etc. for the next phase to get to the minimum of eight if they were willing to leave.

It looks like the exit fee would be about $10MM each. That’s not chump change but it’s a hell of a lot less than the MWC exit fee.
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They'd need to add 3+ million to the per team TV revenue for the math to check out.
 
Boise4Life said:
I’d like to see Memphis and Tulane added for the next phase to get to eight.
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a Texas school like UTSA would be better. Texas footprint, recruiting though they are only on like a 3 year run.
still say wait a longer see what happens with the ACC. even if Calford or SMU arent on the table if the Big XII chases ACC leftovers maybe ASU UA or Utah might consider coming back.
 
OlyDuck said:
a Texas school like UTSA would be better. Texas footprint, recruiting though they are only on like a 3 year run.
still say wait a longer see what happens with the ACC. even if Calford or SMU arent on the table if the Big XII chases ACC leftovers maybe ASU UA or Utah might consider coming back.
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It'd probably be a few years but if/ when this ACC GoR finally breaks (probably 2030s) Cal/Ford probably could come back if the B1G doesnt want them. I have no doubt that would entice ASU and UU to join if the money is comparable to what they'd make in the B12. That's a big if though from the network(s).
 
ralphiewvu said:
It'd probably be a few years but if/ when this ACC GoR finally breaks (probably 2030s) Cal/Ford probably could come back if the B1G doesnt want them. I have no doubt that would entice ASU and UU to join if the money is comparable to what they'd make in the B12. That's a big if though from the network(s).
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**EDIT nvm

I had forgotten Cal/Ford are elitest snobs who probably aren’t ever joining a conference with Fresno and Boise.
 
OlyDuck said:
a Texas school like UTSA would be better. Texas footprint, recruiting though they are only on like a 3 year run.
still say wait a longer see what happens with the ACC. even if Calford or SMU arent on the table if the Big XII chases ACC leftovers maybe ASU UA or Utah might consider coming back.
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I’m thinking zero chance an ASU, U of A, or Utah would come back. Why would they give up P4 status for also way less money?
 
If not Memphis and Tulane, then settling for Texas State and UTSA for the next two adds wouldn’t be terrible IMO.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Yes, adding teams from a mid major that more then doubles your conference membership is you turning into a mid major. This really isn’t complicated.

And this is exactly where you and Eric are mistaken. I’m going to make this very easy for you because you seem incapable of understanding and I honestly don’t know if it’s the heroin or you are just this retarded.

This is all about money.

The PAC 2 didn’t go from getting paid over 30 million to zero. The PAC 2 given the war chest they have at their disposal have an average of 55 million these next two years. They can use it however they may, but they still have it.

Thats why your .1 > 0 doesn’t apply.

There is no way on Gods green earth the PAC in 2026 is getting $20 mill a team when it’s all said and done. You downgraded regardless of if its the only choice you had.

I very much hope I spelled it out clear enough for you nd hope next time you won’t interject your bullshit because it’s your team downgrading.
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You have to be trolling cause I don’t understand how you can make any argument you are making. In your simple little mind you think our starting point is $30 million dollars and anything is a downgrade which isn’t reality. Our “war chest” isn’t for NIL so again, you shouldn’t be involving yourself in this convo. You just need to admit you have no clue and run along.
 
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