Rulers of the New Big 12

[Deep Creek]

Does the Ollie Gordon situation change minds on OK St?

Good question. He was pretty good last year. Not sure what their o line has.

I think injuries and the order of games will determine the outcome in this conference more than most. I don’t think any have stacked depth enough to navigate through several injuries.

 

[Top Cat]

I selected Kansas, Kansas St, or Utah because they all have good coaching.

Of those three I'll give the nod to Leipold. Dude's done an incredible job down there and I'm amazed he hasn't been poached yet.

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I am once again asking the Kansas donors to give Leipold another raise and get that money printer working.

 

[Top Cat]

Kansas State, I think has a pretty deep NIL pockets. If what they're doing translates at all to football.

I don't think basketball NIL translates 1:1. More of a "do you even care about basketball" checkbox, if I am being cynical.

 

[Hu War Yu]

Bailore Bares!!!

 

[CoalTrain]

This. I play golf with a Oklahoma State Cowboy and Texas Tech Red Raider 2-3 times a week. We've been "discussing" (aka arguing) who will step forward and be the new "bell cows" now that OU and Texas are gone. (FTR, neither blame OU and Texas for leaving whatsoever. Both say they'd of been crazy not to.)

While Utah, K-State and Oklahoma State seem to be the consensus on who will have the best football teams this year, none of them move the needle very far in terms of national viewership. At least compared to other conferences. Exchange those three with Iowa State, Arizona and West Viriginia and viewership would be about the same if teams are comparable.

I expect a lot of cannibalism but , then, that’s kinda normal for the Big12 and, I also expect to see that more in the other conferences too so..

 

[Deep Creek]

I expect a lot of cannibalism but , then, that’s kinda normal for the Big12 and, I also expect to see that more in the other conferences too so..

Yeah, I agree with that. Which is one good consequence of realignment. Conference races will be broader the further into the season than is often the case. I think three of the four additions in the B1G can go toe to toe with the top of their new conference. (UCLA may in a few years.) And Texas and OU can compete with the top of the SEC as evidenced by the Big 12 champ beating the SEC champ last year. The B1G and SEC champs may very well have more than 0-1 losses than normal...depending on how difficult the conference schedules are. (We know those aren't always balanced.)

I just don't see the depth of cannibalism in the other conferences that I do in the Big 12. The other conferences have an established hierarchy that make it much more difficult for the lower level schools to "eat" with the big dogs of the conference. Example: I saw the projections for the Big 12 yesterday. Cincy, Houston and Az State were picked at the bottom. But I think there is a better chance of them beating Utah, K-State and Oklahoma State (who are picked 1, 2, 3) than there is the team picked at the bottom of the B1G defeating Ohio State or Michigan. JMO

 

[Deep Creek]

Bailore Bares!!!

Sorry Hu. I'm afraid your Bares may be in for a long year.

 

[Hu War Yu]

Sorry Hu. I'm afraid your Bares may be in for a long year.

That's what they WANT you to think...gonna rope-a-dope this conference good

 

[Deep Creek]

Yeah, I agree with that. Which is one good consequence of realignment. Conference races will be broader the further into the season than is often the case. I think three of the four additions in the B1G can go toe to toe with the top of their new conference. (UCLA may in a few years.) And Texas and OU can compete with the top of the SEC as evidenced by the Big 12 champ beating the SEC champ last year. The B1G and SEC champs may very well have more than 0-1 losses than normal...depending on how difficult the conference schedules are. (We know those aren't always balanced.)

I just don't see the depth of cannibalism in the other conferences that I do in the Big 12. The other conferences have an established hierarchy that make it much more difficult for the lower level schools to "eat" with the big dogs of the conference. Example: I saw the projections for the Big 12 yesterday. Cincy, Houston and Az State were picked at the bottom. But I think there is a better chance of them beating Utah, K-State and Oklahoma State (who are picked 1, 2, 3) than there is the team picked at the bottom of the B1G defeating Ohio State or Michigan. JMO

Here's a quote as an example of what I meant.

On3’s Andy Staples gave ten of his predictions for the 2024 College Football Season. Among the most notable was that the SEC would get five of the twelve spots in the new expanded CFP.

Staples also backed up his prediction by touting the sheer competition that SEC teams will face every single week.

“The SEC’s schedule draw is the biggest reason for this prediction,” Staples said. “Alabama and Georgia got tougher conference schedules, but they’re also talented enough to handle them. Texas and Ole Miss appear to have CFP-caliber rosters and fairly manageable schedules. Missouri and Tennessee may not be perfect, but they’re going to be good and they fared well in the schedule draw. Oklahoma and LSU are Oklahoma and LSU; they’re almost always a threat to win double-digit games. That’s a lot of legitimate contenders, and it’s entirely reasonable that five-eighths of that group could finish in the top 11.”

 

[OlyDuck]

Here's a quote as an example of what I meant.

On3’s Andy Staples gave ten of his predictions for the 2024 College Football Season. Among the most notable was that the SEC would get five of the twelve spots in the new expanded CFP.

Staples also backed up his prediction by touting the sheer competition that SEC teams will face every single week.

“The SEC’s schedule draw is the biggest reason for this prediction,” Staples said. “Alabama and Georgia got tougher conference schedules, but they’re also talented enough to handle them. Texas and Ole Miss appear to have CFP-caliber rosters and fairly manageable schedules. Missouri and Tennessee may not be perfect, but they’re going to be good and they fared well in the schedule draw. Oklahoma and LSU are Oklahoma and LSU; they’re almost always a threat to win double-digit games. That’s a lot of legitimate contenders, and it’s entirely reasonable that five-eighths of that group could finish in the top 11.”

im skepticle that any conference will get 5 teams on any kind of regular basis. can it happen sure. can it happen in 24 maybe but still doubt.

 

[OlyDuck]

Good question. He was pretty good last year. Not sure what their o line has.

I think injuries and the order of games will determine the outcome in this conference more than most. I don’t think any have stacked depth enough to navigate through several injuries.

oh i meant the arrest. probably wont impact the conference race tho. if anything comes of it might miss any combo of S Dakota St, Ark and or Tulsa but prob be back by Utah

 

[Bring Back The Oilers]

The Big 12 now has 16 teams?

College Football can't math.

 

[OlyDuck]

The Big 12 now has 16 teams?

College Football can't math.

only the Pac ever changed with numbers

 

[Bring Back The Oilers]

only the Pac ever changed with numbers

And now it doesn't exist anymore.

College Football hates math.

 

[CoalTrain]

im skepticle that any conference will get 5 teams on any kind of regular basis. can it happen sure. can it happen in 24 maybe but still doubt.

Sooo many factors come into play when these teams change conferences. I paid a lot of attention to some of those things when WVU went to the Big12 and there is most definitely an adjustment period, particularly for the teams that have the longest travel slates. Football is fairly easy for the players to overcome where it’s typically one game per week but there are still factors such as adjusting to weather (can get pretty extreme when you talking far north ppl going far south and vice versa, time zones, elevations, stress levels from flights ect. But basketball is a different animal altogether speaking of back to back long road trips ect. I know the Big12 tried(s) to work with WVU to try n keep those types of situations to a minimum, it’ll be interesting to see how the other conferences work schedules with the new schools.

 

[CoalTrain]

The Big 12 now has 16 teams?

College Football can't math.

IIRC the Big12 could actually change to that if they wanted to.

Had the “Big_____ “ patent up to like.. 18-20? Don’t remember but point is they could change it if they wanted.

 

[Goldbug]

When Gundy leaves, you can stick a fork in Okie Jr. Gundy's already let it be known he doesn't like the idea of trying to win on a shoestring budget which is exactly what he's facing compared to the SEC and Big 10 as they suck up the lion's share of the $$$. He'll take another job in the near future and Jr. will play hell getting someone to come in with the same fire and enthusiasm (and talent) Gundy has invested in his program for a long, long time.

 

[NinerSpartan]

Cold hard truth is there probably isn't going to be any "hooking bulls" in the herd. None have the cache to dominate the others. If asked this of the B1G, I'm pretty sure Ohio State and Michigan would receive 90% of the votes. SEC would include more teams (especially adding OU/Texas) but we all know the schools that WOULDN'T be considered "hooking bulls". Same with the ACC. FSU, Clem and UNC would pop to the top automatically and that's about it.

I ranked the Big 12 1-16 in their ability to draw national attraction (overall, not just football) and came up with BYU first and Houston last. But, is there really any significant difference between those? I don't see it. While not midgets, there still isn't a team that can pull big attraction by themselves. Maybe they can do something collectively to help themselves.

problem with the new Big 12 is that there aren't any marquee programs. and most of the teams are located in states with low population. and the schools that are located in states with high population nobody really gaf about.

ACC will have the same problem when/if Clemson, FSU, UNC, UVa, etc. leave. if you guys think the Clemson/FSU lawsuits are juicy, just wait until UNC gets involved. that's gonna be uglier than sin. a lot of in-state North Carolina politics at play there.

 

[OlyDuck]

Sooo many factors come into play when these teams change conferences. I paid a lot of attention to some of those things when WVU went to the Big12 and there is most definitely an adjustment period, particularly for the teams that have the longest travel slates. Football is fairly easy for the players to overcome where it’s typically one game per week but there are still factors such as adjusting to weather (can get pretty extreme when you talking far north ppl going far south and vice versa, time zones, elevations, stress levels from flights ect. But basketball is a different animal altogether speaking of back to back long road trips ect. I know the Big12 tried(s) to work with WVU to try n keep those types of situations to a minimum, it’ll be interesting to see how the other conferences work schedules with the new schools.

can be but not always.
Nebraska didnt really struggle til a good number of years later.
Louisville transitioned nicely.
Utah had like 2 bad years at first.
I dont know that changing conferences and such is all that extreme as people want it to be as much as team by team situation and where they are at to begin with.

 

[OlyDuck]

problem with the new Big 12 is that there aren't any marquee programs. and most of the teams are located in states with low population. and the schools that are located in states with high population nobody really gaf about.

ACC will have the same problem when/if Clemson, FSU, UNC, UVa, etc. leave. if you guys think the Clemson/FSU lawsuits are juicy, just wait until UNC gets involved. that's gonna be uglier than sin. a lot of in-state North Carolina politics at play there.

ACC blow up will be interesting if more than just Clemson and FSU jump. Can the others hold or try to add? will the West coast teams stay? will BigXII try to grab? how many do jump and to where?