So what is the latest news on the OU and Texas to SEC situation?

[Red_Alert]

"Should a school wish to leave, under the grant of rights the Big 12 gets to keep the TV money a member school generates even after it leaves, through to the end of the agreement."

That is called a penalty and was meant for stability among the Big 12.

TX/OU will violate that stability if they leave prior to GOR expiration.

Their media rights shares will be divvied up among the remaining Big 12 teams for damages caused.

 

[Thiefery]

Ok, that's more interesting. I don't have a dog in the hunt, so do a top to bottom comparison:

Baylor v. USC
OkSU v. Oregon
BYU v. Utah
...

all the way through and let's see top to bottom what that looks like. I am afraid that based on the past decade's performance, it's going to be closer than you think. Certainly close enough that with Clemson, FSU, Miami, and a few other better teams in the ACC you can see where all 3 conferences will be bunched together in the $50-$55 million range.

I do think that the Big12 will still be more competitive than the PAC and ACC.. however if SC gets it's shit together as does FSU.. the new look big12 will fall behind.

 

[Thiefery]

"Should a school wish to leave, under the grant of rights the Big 12 gets to keep the TV money a member school generates even after it leaves, through to the end of the agreement."

That is called a penalty and was meant for stability among the Big 12.

TX/OU will violate that stability if they leave prior to GOR expiration.

Their media rights shares will be divvied up among the remaining Big 12 teams for damages caused.

lol when has a school EVER had to pay that price to leave.. it's all getting negotiated.. again Big12 is at ESPN mercy.. who the hell is going to pick up their contract in another 3 years?

 

[Red_Alert]

what part of guaranteed don't you understand? ESPN will still owe UT the remaining money on that contract.

If tejas stays in the Big 12 they will continue to get the LHN payment.

If they leave for the SEC it ends.

That is per TU president Jay Hartzell

The SEC already has a network. It's run by ESPN.
ESPN is not going to pay TU twice. LOL

 

[Red_Alert]

where's nebraska on there?

They're in the Big 10 raking in the cheddar.
They were wise to GTFO of the Big 12 a decade ago.

They did so because tejas could not be trusted and tejas = Instability.

tejas just proved to us all once again that tejas = Instability

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

You don't think they'll double down, do you?

You don't think it will be an economic push, do you?

If it's like @Thiefery implied.... "The SEC will limit TX/OU payout to what the Big 12 would have paid", then there was zero purpose of the GOR.

The Big 12 owes them no share. They're no longer a part of the Big 12.

That's why they haven't left. That's why there's silence and no official timeline for them to leave this season, in 2023, or 2024.

If it was all hunky dory and an economic push for TX/OU, they'd been in the SEC for the 2022 season.

I was pretty clear that I said I don't know: But, I haven't researched that and don't know.

My point is that I can't imagine a GOR that is so one sided as to take all the money a team made, even if in another conference, and then not have to distribute some of that money back to the team that generated it. Let's say OU and TX go to the SEC and their share is $60 million each and that goes to the B12. Does the B12 not have to then distribute their shares back to the B12 teams + OU and TX? Again, I don't know. Contract provisions that are punitive in nature are typically not enforcable. Taking all the money and not giving any back would be punitive. Again, I don't really care about this because it doesn't affect my team, so I am just spitballing.

 

[Red_Alert]

lol when has a school EVER had to pay that price to leave.. it's all getting negotiated.. again Big12 is at ESPN mercy.. who the hell is going to pick up their contract in another 3 years?

Whomever sees it as a profit.

When it comes to $$ things are very forgiving.

$$ overrides your emotions.

 

[Red_Alert]

I was pretty clear that I said I don't know: But, I haven't researched that and don't know.

My point is that I can't imagine a GOR that is so one sided as to take all the money a team made, even if in another conference, and then not have to distribute some of that money back to the team that generated it. Let's say OU and TX go to the SEC and their share is $60 million each and that goes to the B12. Does the B12 not have to then distribute their shares back to the B12 teams + OU and TX? Again, I don't know. Contract provisions that are punitive in nature are typically not enforcable. Taking all the money and not giving any back would be punitive. Again, I don't really care about this because it doesn't affect my team, so I am just spitballing.

Maryland and Rutgers exit fees from the ACC weren't "punitive"?

The ACC withheld 2 years (2012/2013) of their media rights payouts.

 

[Thiefery]

If tejas stays in the Big 12 they will continue to get the LHN payment.

If they leave for the SEC it ends.

That is per TU president Jay Hartzell

The SEC already has a network. It's run by ESPN.
ESPN is not going to pay TU twice. LOL

lmao bro LHN is a TIER 3 arrangement.. all schools of the big 12 have their own independent rights.. TIER 1 and 2 is what covers the GOR..those are the rights spooled together by the ESPN/Fox deals.

You think ou sooners bally sports ppv money goes to anyone other than them?

 

[Red_Alert]

lmao bro LHN is a TIER 3 arrangement.. all schools of the big 12 have their own independent rights.. TIER 1 and 2 is what covers the GOR..those are the rights spooled together by the ESPN/Fox deals.

You think ou sooners bally sports ppv money goes to anyone other than them?

LOL
I'm telling you what your own tejas president said.

Bally Sports PPV is NOT ESPN.

ESPN is ESPN. ESPN also has the SEC Network.

They're not gonna let tejas double dip.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Maryland and Rutgers exit fees from the ACC weren't "punitive"?

The ACC withheld 2 years (2012/2013) of their media rights payouts.

We are talking around each other. Yes, they can charge fees to leave, and in both cases those teams negotiated a departure payment. If they don't do that, and just leave, unless you have a copy of the GOR we can look at, we don't know what it means. No one has ever done it.

The interesting thing to me is that if TX and OU really want out, they would have filed their lawsuit already. It's not like they don't have Maryland's suit as a template. And, they can afford some pretty good lawyers. It's what makes me think they are just going to wait it out.

 

[Red_Alert]

OU will no longer have a need for Bally Sports (PPV).

All of their games will be televised through through the SEC media rights contracts.

That's how conference networks operate. If the Big 12 had a conference network you'd maybe know these things.

 

[tabascojet]

We are talking around each other. Yes, they can charge fees to leave, and in both cases those teams negotiated a departure payment. If they don't do that, and just leave, unless you have a copy of the GOR we can look at, we don't know what it means. No one has ever done it.

The interesting thing to me is that if TX and OU really want out, they would have filed their lawsuit already. It's not like they don't have Maryland's suit as a template. And, they can afford some pretty good lawyers. It's what makes me think they are just going to wait it out.

2 years ut/ou media rights hell if a lot more lucrative than rutgers and md. No reason not to wait it out unless they get a better deal.

 

[Red_Alert]

We are talking around each other. Yes, they can charge fees to leave, and in both cases those teams negotiated a departure payment. If they don't do that, and just leave, unless you have a copy of the GOR we can look at, we don't know what it means. No one has ever done it.

The interesting thing to me is that if TX and OU really want out, they would have filed their lawsuit already. It's not like they don't have Maryland's suit as a template. And, they can afford some pretty good lawyers. It's what makes me think they are just going to wait it out.

And I agree with you 100% on the bold.

TX/OU will both lose in the $10's of millions.

The Big 12 would actually make good money. Albeit temporarily.

 

[Red_Alert]

2 years ut/ou media rights hell if a lot more lucrative than rutgers and md. No reason not to wait it out unless they get a better deal.

Are they?

The Big 10 payouts >> SEC payouts.

 

[Red_Alert]

The fact is TX/OU leaving the Big 12 will incur economic damages to the corporate office as well as the remaining teams.

Why would the Big 12 pay them for that?

They don't have to.

 

[Thiefery]

OU will no longer have a need for Bally Sports (PPV).

All of their games will be televised through through the SEC media rights contracts.

That's how conference networks operate. If the Big 12 had a conference network you'd maybe know these things.

their deal with Bally sports expired, they signed a deal with ESPN plus.. again tier 3 has nothing to do with the conference. Why don't you think they just release tier 1 and 2 amounts publicly? Schools make more than the reported 42 or so mil a year. Again that doesn't belong to the pool. Y'all really acting as if the LHN money is divided to the other 9 schools or something lol

 

[Thiefery]

The fact is TX/OU leaving the Big 12 will incur economic damages to the corporate office as well as the remaining teams.

Why would the Big 12 pay them for that?

They don't have to.

They'll continue to get the same amount of money.. even with 4 new schools coming in, til the contract expires..UT/ou in it or not.

 

[OlyDuck]

Ok, that's more interesting. I don't have a dog in the hunt, so do a top to bottom comparison:

Baylor v. USC
OkSU v. Oregon
BYU v. Utah
...

all the way through and let's see top to bottom what that looks like. I am afraid that based on the past decade's performance, it's going to be closer than you think. Certainly close enough that with Clemson, FSU, Miami, and a few other better teams in the ACC you can see where all 3 conferences will be bunched together in the $50-$55 million range.

thats where its hard to judge. why do you have USC, a team who just went 4-8 as the top team? why is BYU already your 3rd team?
where do you place UCF, Cinci and Houston?
people assume they will just stay winning 10 games a season with the switch need to look at other teams that have made the jump.
how did Utah and TCU do when they moved up?

Utah coming off 13-0 in 08, 10-3 in 09, 10-3 in 2010 to 8-5 in the pac in 2011 and 5-7 in 12.
TCU off 12-1 in 09, 13-0 in 2010 and 11-2 in 2011 to 7-6 in 12 and 4-8 in 13.

there will be growing pains for those teams.
BYU may have an easier transition because they have been playing like half a schedule with P5 teams most years anyway.

 

[Red_Alert]

their deal with Bally sports expired, they signed a deal with ESPN plus.. again tier 3 has nothing to do with the conference. Why don't you think they just release tier 1 and 2 amounts publicly? Schools make more than the reported 42 or so mil a year. Again that doesn't belong to the pool. Y'all really acting as if the LHN money is divided to the other 9 schools or something lol

LOL

That's meaningful for OU until they move to the SEC.

The SEC just inked a deal with ESPN that ESPN+ will carry SEC games. So games on ESPN+ will no longer be bonus bucks but part of the SEC payout pool. That began in 2021.

"As part of the SEC’s new agreement with ESPN, select SEC football games will be available on ESPN+ beginning this fall. ESPN+ has the right to stream one non-conference football game per school each season kicking off in 2021. These matchups will also be simulcast on SEC Network+, with both streams accessible in the ESPN App via connected devices."

SEC games will air on ESPN+ for the first time ever in 2021

Interesting move here by ESPN.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

No. We aren't acting like LHN monies is divided up with anyone. We're acting like the LHN is DONE and OVER when they move to the SEC.
Your tejas president even said it.

tejas leaving for the SEC prior to the Big 12 GOR expiration would be economic insanity.

Hence the silence from Austin and Norman.