Straight seeding model expected for 2025 CFP

Shanemansj13 said:
That is definitely good news overall but I think it is unfair advantage for independents…they don’t play a CCG
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I get that side of it. We'll need to go 12-0 for it to happen though. I can't see an 11-1 ND making the top 4 hardly ever.
 
ericd7633 said:


This is great news for ND. Can now be in the top 4 I would presume and get a bye.
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That's the one thing they have to work out with any new scheme - 14 or 16 CFP. ND can't get a bye, ever, unless they play the extra game that everyone else will be playing. I'd be surprised to see the CFP allow it, and I think ND would be fine not getting a bye. They were before. They know it gives them an unfair advantage.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
That's the one thing they have to work out with any new scheme - 14 or 16 CFP. ND can't get a bye, ever, unless they play the extra game that everyone else will be playing. I'd be surprised to see the CFP allow it, and I think ND would be fine not getting a bye. They were before. They know it gives them an unfair advantage.
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It could happen. I'd be ok with it in a scenario where ND beat the team they were competing with for a bye, even with the extra game.

Example: ND goes undefeated 12-0. Clemson wins the ACC at 12-1 with their one loss being ND. I think the committee would be more than willing to rank them ahead
 
Can ND just start scheduling a 13th game (maybe play a week earlier to start the year?) so they can say they played the same amount of games? Or is that not allowed?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
That's the one thing they have to work out with any new scheme - 14 or 16 CFP. ND can't get a bye, ever, unless they play the extra game that everyone else will be playing. I'd be surprised to see the CFP allow it, and I think ND would be fine not getting a bye. They were before. They know it gives them an unfair advantage.
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Gonna be almost impossible to enforce a rule unless it's ND specific. Given the size of these conferences I can see an 11-1 team miss out on playing in a conference championship and still be ranked top 4. What do you do then?
 
Texas beats OSU, loses to UGA who goes undefeated and South Carolina is 12-0. I'm guessing Texas is in the top 4 in this scenario. However far fetched I do think it could happen (not this specific scenario, just a non conference game participant being in the top 4)
 
How can Ohio State ever expect to win if they don't get a favorable path through the playoff?
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Can ND just start scheduling a 13th game (maybe play a week earlier to start the year?) so they can say they played the same amount of games? Or is that not allowed?
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It still wouldn’t be the same imo. Either they join a conference or they never get a bye
 
fishinabarrel said:
It could happen. I'd be ok with it in a scenario where ND beat the team they were competing with for a bye, even with the extra game.

Example: ND goes undefeated 12-0. Clemson wins the ACC at 12-1 with their one loss being ND. I think the committee would be more than willing to rank them ahead
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I don't think it's an issue of how good they are. It's the unfairness that all the other teams that are likely as good have to play an extra game against a really good opponent. If they get a bye, they get at least 1 week off that others don't get.
 
ericd7633 said:
Gonna be almost impossible to enforce a rule unless it's ND specific. Given the size of these conferences I can see an 11-1 team miss out on playing in a conference championship and still be ranked top 4. What do you do then?
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Penn st loses to osu by 3. Only loss. Nebraska beats osu in ccg
 
I do wonder if this means the B1G and SEC will pivot away from a CCG and go to a #3 vs. #6 and #4 vs. #5 game on CCG Saturday as a means of playing their way into the CFP.

Last year would have been:

#3. Indiana vs. #6. Iowa
#4. Ohio State vs. #5 Illinois

#3. Tennessee vs. #6 South Carolina
#4 Alabama vs. #5 Ole Miss

Probably more money this way since it's double the inventory, and this way neither of the top 2 would get an extra loss.
 
huskers1217 said:
Penn st loses to osu by 3. Only loss. Nebraska beats osu in ccg
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Agreed. Almost would have happened last year if OSU didn't lose to Michigan. PSU was top 4 headed into that weekend.
 
OK, this ruling I can get behind..
 
ericd7633 said:
Gonna be almost impossible to enforce a rule unless it's ND specific. Given the size of these conferences I can see an 11-1 team miss out on playing in a conference championship and still be ranked top 4. What do you do then?
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It's not what you do with the others ... every team except ND will be playing on conference championship weekend. The question is what rules do you have that make it so that ND doesn't get a double bye or get an advantage. So, ND can't get a CFP bye, I don't care if they are no. 1 in the country. And I would say they don't get a home game. You can't let one team stay out of a conference if that is the way everyone else decides who gets into the CFP. By not playing on conf champ weekend they are getting an unfair advantage, that's not arguable.
 
Shanemansj13 said:
It still wouldn’t be the same imo. Either they join a conference or they never get a bye
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If they go to 16, there likely won't be byes, although see below. If there are byes, it should be a given they don't get one. But, even if there aren't byes, ND gets an unfair advantage by not having to play on conf champ week.

Believe it or not, there is a format being considered for 16 that has byes. Basically, it's something like 13-16 play to get you to 14, then 2 byes, then everyone plays top 8. I'd have to look it up, but the idea was to try and not get 1 v. 16 and 2 v. 15 type of blowouts. I can't see how that makes sense with the scheduling, but it's out there.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
It's not what you do with the others ... every team except ND will be playing on conference championship weekend. The question is what rules do you have that make it so that ND doesn't get a double bye or get an advantage. So, ND can't get a CFP bye, I don't care if they are no. 1 in the country. And I would say they don't get a home game. You can't let one team stay out of a conference if that is the way everyone else decides who gets into the CFP. By not playing on conf champ weekend they are getting an unfair advantage, that's not arguable.
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Well then that's gotta be the rule. Make it ND specific. Because if not, there's really no rule that will be able to applied.
 
ericd7633 said:
I do wonder if this means the B1G and SEC will pivot away from a CCG and go to a #3 vs. #6 and #4 vs. #5 game on CCG Saturday as a means of playing their way into the CFP.

Last year would have been:

#3. Indiana vs. #6. Iowa
#4. Ohio State vs. #5 Illinois

#3. Tennessee vs. #6 South Carolina
#4 Alabama vs. #5 Ole Miss

Probably more money this way since it's double the inventory, and this way neither of the top 2 would get an extra loss.
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This won't happen. Then you also risk losing playoff teams because they potentially take a 3rd loss in those games.

The goal for the B1G and SEC is simply to stack as many playoff teams as they can.

here Ohio State is knocked out if Illinois upsets them, that risk isnt worth it in the grand scheme.
 
ericd7633 said:
Well then that's gotta be the rule. Make it ND specific. Because if not, there's really no rule that will be able to applied.
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In the current setup there is a ND rule that says they can't get a byte. If there are byes in the CFP, that is a given. That's not the problem. The problem is ND not playing on canf champ weekend when not only will the top 2 teams being playing, but it looks like the top 6 teams in the SEC/B1G will be playing. That's the problem ... they don't play the 13th game.
 
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