Straight seeding model expected for 2025 CFP

[WhosYourDawggy]

This won't happen. Then you risk losing playoff teams because they potentially take a 3rd loss in those games.

The goal for the B1G and SEC is simply to stack as many playoff teams as they can.

I think this absolutely will happen. The money for that will be unreal. It also balances the 13th game issue, except for ND. Losses won't matter for the 1 v. 2. Losses in the 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 will matter because they are likely out. But a 3rd loss in a game like that will be discounted.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I think this absolutely will happen. The money for that will be unreal. It also balances the 13th game issue, except for ND. Losses won't matter for the 1 v. 2. Losses in the 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 will matter because they are likely out. But a 3rd loss in a game like that will be discounted.

I think a 4 team conference tournament with the top 4 is more likely than that model.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I think a 4 team conference tournament with the top 4 is more likely than that model.

No way the regular season 1 and 2 will play an elimination game. The idea is that with 4 AQs, 1 and 2 are in, the CCG is for pride, seeding, and byes. 3-6 in the SEC were all about the same last year with the only difference being tie breakers. So have them play elimination games, with the chance of a backdoor CFP at-large bid makes a ton of sense, and a ton of money.

 

[osubuckeye89]

No way the regular season 1 and 2 will play an elimination game. The idea is that with 4 AQs, 1 and 2 are in, the CCG is for pride, seeding, and byes. 3-6 in the SEC were all about the same last year with the only difference being tie breakers. So have them play elimination games, with the chance of a backdoor CFP at-large bid makes a ton of sense, and a ton of money.

Or it could backfire and you end up losing playoff teams. Like I said.

 

[ericd7633]

This won't happen. Then you also risk losing playoff teams because they potentially take a 3rd loss in those games.

The goal for the B1G and SEC is simply to stack as many playoff teams as they can.

here Ohio State is knocked out if Illinois upsets them, that risk isnt worth it in the grand scheme.

I guess this was more under the assumption that the B1G and SEC would be guaranteed 4 auto bids, which has been rumored, if/when it moves to 14/16.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I guess this was more under the assumption that the B1G and SEC would be guaranteed 4 auto bids, which has been rumored, if/when it moves to 14/16.

I guess then it would make sense.

But I don't see a scenario where the B1G puts something into play that could have Illinois/Iowa type teams potentially knocking their bigger fish out of the playoff.

 

[ericd7633]

In the current setup there is a ND rule that says they can't get a byte. If there are byes in the CFP, that is a given. That's not the problem. The problem is ND not playing on canf champ weekend when not only will the top 2 teams being playing, but it looks like the top 6 teams in the SEC/B1G will be playing. That's the problem ... they don't play the 13th game.

It's not an ND rule though. It's a conference champion rule. Obviously that automatically eliminates ND because they aren't in a conference, but with straight seeding, that rule can no longer apply.

The easy solution is to get rid of CCG, which I think will be here fairly shortly. Especially when multiple auto bids are coming for everyone.

 

[ericd7633]

I guess then it would make sense.

But I don't see a scenario where the B1G puts something into play that could have Illinois/Iowa type teams potentially knocking their bigger fish out of the playoff.

Yeah but that won't be every year. Most years it'll be Washington, Michigan, USC etc..

It could #3 Oregon vs. #6 USC
#4. Michigan vs. #5 Washington

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

It's not an ND rule though. It's a conference champion rule. Obviously that automatically eliminates ND because they aren't in a conference, but with straight seeding, that rule can no longer apply.

The easy solution is to get rid of CCG, which I think will be here fairly shortly. Especially when multiple auto bids are coming for everyone.

I understand that it's not a ND rule, per se, but I read articles and interviews where Swarbuck stated that it was part of the negotiations ... ND agreed that the rules would be such that ND could never get a bye. I can't imagine they would abandon that principle.

Getting rid of the CCGs is anything but easy. They make too much money. And, they are going the opposite direction ... things that generate more money. There is no way they will go from we want 3 games on Champ weekend to no games on Champ weekend. And if we know anything, it is that $$$ always wins.

 

[ericd7633]

I understand that it's not a ND rule, per se, but I read articles and interviews where Swarbuck stated that it was part of the negotiations ... ND agreed that the rules would be such that ND could never get a bye. I can't imagine they would abandon that principle.

Getting rid of the CCGs is anything but easy. They make too much money. And, they are going the opposite direction ... things that generate more money. There is no way they will go from we want 3 games on Champ weekend to no games on Champ weekend. And if we know anything, it is that $$$ always wins.

Apparently they did:



Straight seeding 1-12. Top 4 ranked teams to receive a bye.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I guess then it would make sense.

But I don't see a scenario where the B1G puts something into play that could have Illinois/Iowa type teams potentially knocking their bigger fish out of the playoff.

In the years that Illinois/Iowa are good enough, why not. As I mentioned previously, the differences between 3 and 6 are often tie breaker rules. If they Illinois and Iowas such so bad, they will lose, right?

Imagine a champ weekend on Black Friday and Thanksgiving Saturday that has SEC and B1G 1/2, 3/6, 4/5; then the ACC having 1/2, 3/4 for the 3rd AQ; the B12 and G5 all having 1/2 CCGs. That would be the wildest 2 days of CFB ever. You could even throw in some games on Thanksgiving night.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Apparently they did:



Straight seeding 1-12. Top 4 ranked teams to receive a bye.

I think that is terrible then. Patently unfair. We'll see how this plays out once we get the details. As a ND fan, I expect you to like it. As an honest person, I would also expect you to admit it is unfair.

 

[ericd7633]

I think that is terrible then. Patently unfair. We'll see how this plays out once we get the details. As a ND fan, I expect you to like it. As an honest person, I would also expect you to admit it is unfair.

Like I said earlier, we're gonna have to go 12-0 to even be considered as a top 4 team. This is basically the same as it was in a 4 team CFP. But I do find this rather awesome. Lol.

 

[Thiefery]

I think that is terrible then. Patently unfair. We'll see how this plays out once we get the details. As a ND fan, I expect you to like it. As an honest person, I would also expect you to admit it is unfair.

On the flip side.. Committee is easily sway able.. So they may push ND to 5 because of them not playing a CCG.. It's up to their discretion, no?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

On the flip side.. Committee is easily sway able.. So they may push ND to 5 because of them not playing a CCG.. It's up to their discretion, no?

Sure, agree with that, but it would be too obvious if they go 12-0.

 

[ericd7633]

Official:

 

[fishinabarrel]

How can Ohio State ever expect to win if they don't get a favorable path through the playoff?

Good grief. Just talk about the thread for once

 

[fishinabarrel]

This is straight seeding for the byes, but not for the whole field, correct? Highest rated G5 or a conference champ could still be outside of the top 12?

 

[osubuckeye89]

Good grief. Just talk about the thread for once

Claiming Ohio State got a "easy" path through the playoff is completely retarded anyways. They had to play the only undefeated team and then Texas in the semi finals.

Claiming Penn State had a "easy path" might be genuine since they SMU and Boise'd their way into the Semis.

He probably would claim Ohio State had it "easy" in 2014 as well.

 

[OlyDuck]

This is straight seeding for the byes, but not for the whole field, correct? Highest rated G5 or a conference champ could still be outside of the top 12?

straight up to that point.