Tennessee Fans Can't Handle Their Liquor

Considering the beat down TN put on LSU in Baton Rouge, that game wouldn’t even be a sweat for UGA, and Neyland has been a cakewalk for UGA for years.

It all comes back to coaching and the players mindset.

Bama might go undefeated against UGA’s schedule since a last second FG is within the points HFA can account for.

UGA is also rolling to 12-0 with Bama’s schedule too. It’s more likely Bama loses to SCar than it is for UGA to lose any game on Bama’s schedule.

Hell, Tennessee even had that overrated receiver that was supposed to be good when they played UGA and he was out against Bama

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What is funny is one of the WORSE fanbases towards Tennessee is actually Vanderbilt fans. They are not much of them and they fall into three major categories:

1. Vanderbilt fans who also cheer for Tennessee (they are basically fans that like college sport and cheer for Vandy because they are local to Nashville but would probably be UT fans if they were in Nashville. I have a story bout this one).
2. Vanderbilt fans who hate everything related to University of Tennessee and will bandwagon on any team that is regularly beating Tennessee (i.e. Florida in 1990s, Alabama under Saban, I think they are jumping on Georgia right now)
3. Vanderbilt Alumni who are real fans

I used to go to the Tennessee-Vandy game every year when it was in Nashville as a kid because it was your chance to see Tennessee in Middle Tennessee. One year when Vanderbilt started winning, I saw a bunch of fans in front of me wearing orange and they took it off and had black and gold Vandy gear under it. No joke. They were Vandy fans from category #1 listed above.

They use the excuse that Tennessee fans will attack them at the game if they don't wear Orange lol. However, they are not afraid of Tennessee fans if Vandy starts winning.

Vandy has a lot of fair weather fans and they bandwagon on anyone that can beat Tennessee. They also brag about Academics when they lose even though most of them never went to Vandy and couldn't get in anyways.

Alabama fans have really been on another level of crazy this year. I think they were a little softer on Tennessee fans (as long as you didn't mention Fulmer) because they were beating Tennessee soundly on a regular basis. However, when Tennessee finally won a game, it was a major meltdown. I even saw Bama fans bandwagoning off Georgia's win over Tennessee.

Georgia fans have a special hatred of Tennessee. I remember when they beat us in Knoxville when I went to school there and they were the worse fan base out of all of them (Auburn came in at #2). I never really quite got it. @WhosYourDawggy references some bad Tennessee fans in 1990s, maybe that was the case. I always considered Alabama or Florida to be more of our rivals (and Kentucky. Arguably, Kentucky should be our biggest rivalry as we have played them more than anyone but they are usually not that good at Football. Last few years have been an exception). However, both Auburn and Georgia fans really want us to be one of their most hated teams so I guess we have that.
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I will be blunt, as good as Georgia is this year, take all the intangibles around Alabama-Tennessee leading up to game in Neyland (pretending Georgia has won 15-straight and is Tennessee's top historical rival), I don't see Georgia winning in that atmosphere. It was one of the most difficult atmosphere a team has had to play in with CFB.
Georgia still would have wiped the field with Tennessee. Georgia's crowd isn't the reason Hooker threw for less than 200 yards.

If Georgia wanted -- they could have continued throwing the ball at will the entire 2nd half, just like they did in the 1st half. Georgia shut it down though, content to be up 3 scores and they ran over and over to run out the clock, as Tennessee couldn't score on them.
 
Georgia still would have wiped the field with Tennessee. Georgia's crowd isn't the reason Hooker threw for less than 200 yards.

If Georgia wanted -- they could have continued throwing the ball at will the entire 2nd half, just like they did in the 1st half. Georgia shut it down though, content to be up 3 scores and they ran over and over to run out the clock, as Tennessee couldn't score on them.
IMO, the difference in the Alabama @ Tennessee and Tennessee @ Georgia games was simply due to UGA having a much better defense, as both Alabama and Georgia could score at will vs. the Vols. Menwhile, Alabama's defense was clueless against UT, while the Dawg defense hunkered down.
 
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I can see the point of view of a Tennessee fan from Nashville, but I have NEVER had an issue with Vanderbilt fans - home, away or neutral. As a matter of fact, I love going to both Football (saw Alabama win there in 2007) and Basketball games (saw Iowa State lose there a few years ago) @ Vanderbilt!
 
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All stadiums should be hostile environments to road teams and fans IMO.
And all referees should be homers. If they other team every leaves your stadium thinking they got a fair deal, then the officials sucked. Should always favor the home team.
 
What is funny is one of the WORSE fanbases towards Tennessee is actually Vanderbilt fans. They are not much of them and they fall into three major categories:

1. Vanderbilt fans who also cheer for Tennessee (they are basically fans that like college sport and cheer for Vandy because they are local to Nashville but would probably be UT fans if they were in Nashville. I have a story bout this one).
2. Vanderbilt fans who hate everything related to University of Tennessee and will bandwagon on any team that is regularly beating Tennessee (i.e. Florida in 1990s, Alabama under Saban, I think they are jumping on Georgia right now)
3. Vanderbilt Alumni who are real fans

I used to go to the Tennessee-Vandy game every year when it was in Nashville as a kid because it was your chance to see Tennessee in Middle Tennessee. One year when Vanderbilt started winning, I saw a bunch of fans in front of me wearing orange and they took it off and had black and gold Vandy gear under it. No joke. They were Vandy fans from category #1 listed above.

They use the excuse that Tennessee fans will attack them at the game if they don't wear Orange lol. However, they are not afraid of Tennessee fans if Vandy starts winning.

Vandy has a lot of fair weather fans and they bandwagon on anyone that can beat Tennessee. They also brag about Academics when they lose even though most of them never went to Vandy and couldn't get in anyways.

Alabama fans have really been on another level of crazy this year. I think they were a little softer on Tennessee fans (as long as you didn't mention Fulmer) because they were beating Tennessee soundly on a regular basis. However, when Tennessee finally won a game, it was a major meltdown. I even saw Bama fans bandwagoning off Georgia's win over Tennessee.

Georgia fans have a special hatred of Tennessee. I remember when they beat us in Knoxville when I went to school there and they were the worse fan base out of all of them (Auburn came in at #2). I never really quite got it. @WhosYourDawggy references some bad Tennessee fans in 1990s, maybe that was the case. I always considered Alabama or Florida to be more of our rivals (and Kentucky. Arguably, Kentucky should be our biggest rivalry as we have played them more than anyone but they are usually not that good at Football. Last few years have been an exception). However, both Auburn and Georgia fans really want us to be one of their most hated teams so I guess we have that.
Vanderbilt has fans? :noidea:
 
I can see the point of view of a Tennessee fan from Nashville, but I have NEVER had an issue with Vanderbilt fans, home, away or neutral. As a matter of fact I love going to both Football (saw Alabama win there in 2007) and Basketball games (saw Iowa State lose there a few years ago) @ Vanderbilt!
I was kidding, really. I have a lot of resentment toward Vandy fans but even more so, dumbasses from Middle Tennessee who support Tennessee for no reason.

I'll take @Volbound1700 at his word about the fans taking off Tennessee gear with Vandy stuff underneath but I have to admit, it's a little tough to believe, even of Vandy fans.

Vandy baseball and (especially) basketball fans are completely different from the football fans IMO. In my life, I've been much more of a Vandy basketball fan than anything else.
 
I was kidding, really. I have a lot of resentment toward Vandy fans but even more so, dumbasses from Middle Tennessee who support Tennessee for no reason.

I'll take @Volbound1700 at his word about the fans taking off Tennessee gear with Vandy stuff underneath but I have to admit, it's a little tough to believe, even of Vandy fans.

Vandy baseball and (especially) basketball fans are completely different from the football fans IMO. In my life, I've been much more of a Vandy basketball fan than anything else.

@HammerDown, they are NOT real Vandy fans in my opinion. You would fall into category #3 which are the real fans.

I stated the same thing about Alabama. They have a lot of "fake" or "bandwagon" fans and they are the more obnoxious part of the fanbase. We have them too.

Nashville, as a region, has tons of fair weather fans. I think it is because there really isn't a dominate program in Middle Tennessee. You do have some die hard Tennessee fans. The Titans tend to be well followed in Middle Tennessee but you get a mass assortment of college fans. There are people that go to Vandy games just because they are in the area as well. I have went to a lot of Vandy basketball games just because they are cheap and Vandy is close by. If you took out my college years in Knoxville, I have probably been to Vanderbilt's football stadium as much as Neyland Stadium.
 
IMO, the difference in the Alabama @ Tennessee and Tennessee @ Georgia games was simply due to UGA having a much better defense, as both Alabama and Georgia could score at will vs. the Vols. Menwhile, Alabama's defense was clueless against UT, while the Dawg defense hunkered down.

Yeah, I think a majority disagree with me. I do think road atmosphere matters though. You can look at nearly every program and see how they perform at home versus away. Also some away atmospheres are not strong while some are. Take Tennessee @ Vanderbilt, that wasn't really a dangerous road atmosphere for Tennessee. Even LSU was easier on Tennessee from an atmosphere perspective than it was on Alabama.

I think Alabama is a flawed team but they also had a schedule that helped expose their flaws better. Funny thing is that Alabama has often had the schedule advantage in the past versus other programs (a HUGE part of that being that Tennessee has typically sucked).

Scheduling impacts performance and play a lot. Sure some teams are great and can overcome it. I have watched College Football in the past and I haven't seen a more hostile environment than what Alabama had to go into at Neyland and a lot of it had to do with all the intangibles around the hype, game day, etc. Neyland wasn't a tough atmosphere for Alabama in 2020, 2018, etc. However, all the magic just lined up for Tennessee this year in that matchup and it exposed Alabama's weaknesses.

People are lying to themselves if they don't see that Georgia had a pretty favorable schedule in 2022. Now they still have to get through playoffs and that is tough. Georgia is the best team this year, in my opinion, and I am totally behind Stetson Bennett getting the Heisman and Kirby Smart having one of the best coaching performances this year. However, Georgia wasn't challenged like Alabama was in 2022 with their schedule.
 
IMO, the difference in the Alabama @ Tennessee and Tennessee @ Georgia games was simply due to UGA having a much better defense, as both Alabama and Georgia could score at will vs. the Vols. Menwhile, Alabama's defense was clueless against UT, while the Dawg defense hunkered down.
Yeah -- If Georgia wanted to against Tennessee -- they could have thrown for 400+ yards and scored 40+ points. They threw the ball like 3 or 4 times in the 2nd half, as Tennessee couldn't score on them.

Not terribly difficult to look at the differences in the 2 halves. Bennett threw for 225 yards and 2 tds in the 1st half and Georgia threw the ball 23 times. He finished the game with 27 pass attempts. Georgia took the air out of the ball in the 2nd half and only threw for 25 yards on 4 passing attempts.

It seems as if some Tennessee fans don't realize that is what Georgia did. It isn't like Tennessee all of a sudden had a smothering pass defense.
 
Yeah, I think a majority disagree with me. I do think road atmosphere matters though. You can look at nearly every program and see how they perform at home versus away. Also some away atmospheres are not strong while some are. Take Tennessee @ Vanderbilt, that wasn't really a dangerous road atmosphere for Tennessee. Even LSU was easier on Tennessee from an atmosphere perspective than it was on Alabama.

I think Alabama is a flawed team but they also had a schedule that helped expose their flaws better. Funny thing is that Alabama has often had the schedule advantage in the past versus other programs (a HUGE part of that being that Tennessee has typically sucked).

Scheduling impacts performance and play a lot. Sure some teams are great and can overcome it. I have watched College Football in the past and I haven't seen a more hostile environment than what Alabama had to go into at Neyland and a lot of it had to do with all the intangibles around the hype, game day, etc. Neyland wasn't a tough atmosphere for Alabama in 2020, 2018, etc. However, all the magic just lined up for Tennessee this year in that matchup and it exposed Alabama's weaknesses.

People are lying to themselves if they don't see that Georgia had a pretty favorable schedule in 2022. Now they still have to get through playoffs and that is tough. Georgia is the best team this year, in my opinion, and I am totally behind Stetson Bennett getting the Heisman and Kirby Smart having one of the best coaching performances this year. However, Georgia wasn't challenged like Alabama was in 2022 with their schedule.
I agree that the atmosphere is very, very important and played a part in Alabama's two losses this year. I also think Georgia is better than Alabama this year, beacause the Bulldogs have a better defense. Two things can be right at the same time.
 
I agree that the atmosphere is very, very important and played a part in Alabama's two losses this year. I also think Georgia is better than Alabama this year, beacause the Bulldogs have a better defense. Two things can be right at the same time.
Agree wholeheartedly. Atmosphere does have an effect on the game, but I think in the case of Georgia and Tennessee this year. I think they both have tremendous offenses, but that is where Tennessee stops. Georgia's defense is also tremendous.

I don't think it would have mattered where the game was played. Georgia is simply a much more complete team. While the game in Athens ended with a 14 point difference. Truth be told, if Georgia kept their foot on the gas, it would have been much uglier. They simply took the air out of the ball and were content with running the clock with a 3 score lead. I think that is what is throwing off UT fans. I think they believe they shut Georgia down in the 2nd half, when they simply stopped throwing the ball.
 
This is why I am looking forward to going to 3-6-6 schedule. We have too many "rivals" or opposing fanbases. We can beat 4/5 of our hated teams and still feel like shit. Even when bad, it seems like Tennessee always has a bullz-eye on us lol.

Hey we own the SEC right now in Basketball :).

I am going to take heat for this post but Georgia had it very easy this season. They got Oregon in a matchup that was totally favorable to Georgia (I called it an ambush) with Oregon having a new QB and coach. Georgia was also familiar with how Dan Lanning coached and Oregon had to travel across the country.

They got a week off to prepare for a limping Florida team.

They caught South Carolina when they were shit. (Frankly South Carolina was shit most the season and just caught a Tennessee team with flaws and one that had a brain fart on defense for that week. I am not sure that I believe the story about the defense quitting but it was definitely a different defense without Jeremy Banks in the lineup. South Carolina also had a very good scheme and Spencer Rattler played the game of his life).

They caught an overhyped and overachieving Tennessee team in Athens in Georgia's "Superbowl" because it was the first top 10 team to come to Athens in a long time.

Compare that to Alabama who had to talk into road matchup after road matchup with a major bullz-eye on their back and actually caught most of their opponents when they were playing well (@Texas, Texas A&M at home without Bryce Young, @Tennessee, @LSU, @Ole Miss)

I won't argue that Georgia isn't the best team but the schedule was very favorable, especially when you look at the intangibles with all your matchups. I would say the back-to-back road wins over Miss State and Kentucky were the most impressive run because they could have been letdown/trap games for Georgia.
And you wonder why other fanbases don't like yours? Excuses, excuses.

Whining about our schedule? You won the biggest game of your year because you had Bama at home. You lose to Bama by a couple TDs in Tuscaloosa. Big break for you guys. The season would have been totally different. But ... but ... but ... UGA's schedule ...

Oregon - the advantage we had was it was in Atlanta, I agree with that. Do you honestly think a 49-3 game is different away? Seriously? And guess what, Lanning had the advantage of knowing exactly what we were going to do from the offensive side. No advantage to UGA there.

We always get a week off before UF, always. And guess what ... so do they. Both teams always get byes the week before.

We beat the shit out of a UTjr team because we are way better than them on both sides of the ball. And your defense sucks because your coach doesn't understand the idea of balanced football. There is a reason that high octane O's don't win the NC without a stout D. It was a game never in doubt. Maybe you keep it closer in Knoxville, but did you see a single thing in that game that makes you think you can beat us? I mean our D shut your O down, and our O had its way with your crappy defense. Calling that our Super Bowl ... give me a break. Yeah, we were up for the game, but we were for Arky and Kentucky at home last year, too. We are the only team that had 100% capacity at home ... we show up for all games.

USCjr ... we played the same QB you did, and we beat the shit out of them 48-7, you lost to them 63-38. Both away games. If you are trying to say we played them when they were crappy, they literally lost to a 6-6 UF team the week before you - 38-6. You gave up 63 points, we gave up 7, and UF held them to 6. Instead of looking at how easy we had it, just admit that you have half a team that can't play defense.

I agree that our schedule was good to us - we had the hardest part of our schedule at the end, not the beginning. When you lose 15 players to the NFL, including 5 first rounders, it helps that the schedule that was set a decade earlier is kind to you. But we still had to work through injuries, get our freshman playing well.

Instead of trying to find reasons why we aren't as good as we are, concentrate on your own damn team. What are you going to do without Hooker and all those WRs next year? You get us at home, but you are @ Bama, @UF, @Kentucky, and @Missouri. You are lucky your OOC schedule is so bad - UVa, UConn, Austin Peay, and UTSA. Really? And you want to talk about our schedule.
 
Hooker should have been invited but it should have been over Caleb Williams and not Stetson Bennett. People are down on Stetson because he looked bad at Missouri and Kentucky but he has looked great in most of the rest of his games.
Not the point of the post. You post all the time about how bad the other fanbases are. Yet, you don't see how your fanbase throws gas on the fire, or set all sorts of fires.

You literally had a fan pay for a bot farm to spam Twitter about Hooker not going to NYC.

 
I will be blunt, as good as Georgia is this year, take all the intangibles around Alabama-Tennessee leading up to game in Neyland (pretending Georgia has won 15-straight and is Tennessee's top historical rival), I don't see Georgia winning in that atmosphere. It was one of the most difficult atmosphere a team has had to play in with CFB.

Even LSU with Alabama was a tough atmosphere. Tennessee also played in Baton Rouge and it was night and day the difference between the two games. Alabama had a lot more difficult experience in Baton Rouge vs. Tennessee from an atmosphere perspective.

Loud and difficult atmospheres create false starts, turnovers, etc. Tennessee faced the same thing in Athens.

Looking at Georgia's performance shows the difference between playing home and away. I assume the rest of your post is just illogical trolling.

As stated, I don't see Georgia going unbeaten playing Alabama's schedule. I see Alabama going unbeaten playing Georgia's schedule. Who on Georgia's schedule beats Alabama? Tennessee doesn't beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa, I can say that already.
What an idiotic post. It's like you didn't even watch the UGA v. UTjr game. Would the game have been closer? Sure. But that was a butt whipping from start to finish. We scored at will in the first half, and could have in the second. Didn't need to because our D shut down your offense, something we did last year as well. We have the speed and athletes to keep up with your players, and we have more of them.

I really don't get what you are trying to accomplish with these posts. Take your beating an move on.
 
And you wonder why other fanbases don't like yours? Excuses, excuses.

Whining about our schedule? You won the biggest game of your year because you had Bama at home. You lose to Bama by a couple TDs in Tuscaloosa. Big break for you guys. The season would have been totally different. But ... but ... but ... UGA's schedule ...

Oregon - the advantage we had was it was in Atlanta, I agree with that. Do you honestly think a 49-3 game is different away? Seriously? And guess what, Lanning had the advantage of knowing exactly what we were going to do from the offensive side. No advantage to UGA there.

We always get a week off before UF, always. And guess what ... so do they. Both teams always get byes the week before.

We beat the shit out of a UTjr team because we are way better than them on both sides of the ball. And your defense sucks because your coach doesn't understand the idea of balanced football. There is a reason that high octane O's don't win the NC without a stout D. It was a game never in doubt. Maybe you keep it closer in Knoxville, but did you see a single thing in that game that makes you think you can beat us? I mean our D shut your O down, and our O had its way with your crappy defense. Calling that our Super Bowl ... give me a break. Yeah, we were up for the game, but we were for Arky and Kentucky at home last year, too. We are the only team that had 100% capacity at home ... we show up for all games.

USCjr ... we played the same QB you did, and we beat the shit out of them 48-7, you lost to them 63-38. Both away games. If you are trying to say we played them when they were crappy, they literally lost to a 6-6 UF team the week before you - 38-6. You gave up 63 points, we gave up 7, and UF held them to 6. Instead of looking at how easy we had it, just admit that you have half a team that can't play defense.

I agree that our schedule was good to us - we had the hardest part of our schedule at the end, not the beginning. When you lose 15 players to the NFL, including 5 first rounders, it helps that the schedule that was set a decade earlier is kind to you. But we still had to work through injuries, get our freshman playing well.

Instead of trying to find reasons why we aren't as good as we are, concentrate on your own damn team. What are you going to do without Hooker and all those WRs next year? You get us at home, but you are @ Bama, @UF, @Kentucky, and @Missouri. You are lucky your OOC schedule is so bad - UVa, UConn, Austin Peay, and UTSA. Really? And you want to talk about our schedule.

All of this wordage doesn't take away the fact that Georgia did not play a team with more than 8 wins on the road. There isn't a solid road win.

You continue to talk about how Tennessee sucks but ranking wise we are Georgia's best win.

I am a bad fan because I question Georgia? Everyone on this message boards acts like they are the 1985 Chicago Bears or something (enjoy those SNL skits).

I think they are the best team but I don't think they are just dominate that they cannot be beat. I stated my facts that I don't think Georgia goes unbeaten playing Alabama's schedule. It doesn't mean they are worse than Alabama, it is more of the Lee Corso phrase "Not so fast my friends". Maybe a lot of it is me just going against what I see is flaws in normal thinking. I am notorious for doing that and sometimes it benefits me in seeing novel things others missed at work or other locations.

It may not have anything to do with Georgia but rather how people on this message board slobber all over them without really looking at the flaws in the general consensus on here that I am seeing.

I was the same way with Ohio State on here and CJ Stroud. I thought they were overhype and had a favorable schedule. I still think they are a top 3-4 team.

I am sorry, not seeing Georgia playing a meaningful road game is a BIG DEAL regardless of what people are saying on here. Georgia has looked different on the road. Alabama is like that. Look at how they play in Tuscaloosa versus the Road this year.
 
What an idiotic post. It's like you didn't even watch the UGA v. UTjr game. Would the game have been closer? Sure. But that was a butt whipping from start to finish. We scored at will in the first half, and could have in the second. Didn't need to because our D shut down your offense, something we did last year as well. We have the speed and athletes to keep up with your players, and we have more of them.

I really don't get what you are trying to accomplish with these posts. Take your beating an move on.

I watched every minute of it. You cannot tell me that Athens did not had an impact on our offense. LSU ran up and down the field on Georgia Saturday, does that mean LSU had a better offense than Tennessee?
 
I watched every minute of it. You cannot tell me that Athens did not had an impact on our offense. LSU ran up and down the field on Georgia Saturday, does that mean LSU had a better offense than Tennessee?
Where have I ever said it didn't have an impact? Of course, it did. What I did say is that it wouldn't have made a difference if it was in Knoxville other than being a closer game, maybe. I mean we've stomped a mudhole in you in Knoxville the last few times we played there. Your D is terrible. You couldn't stop us. Period. Our D stopped you over and over.

Do you actually watch the games?

LSU didn't run up and down the field on us, FFS. We held them to 47 yards rushing.

They did have success in the second half passing after we were up 35-10, they brought in a QB that had a hell of a game and they simply aired it out because they had to. We gave up way more yards than we did during the season, and I am not in any way concerned about it. In fact, posts like yours mean people are going to read way more into that than they should and that's good. Let them think they can throw on us.

1st half:
- Blocked FG
- TD (terrible tacking by us, kind of reminded me of your D)
- Interception
- Punt
- Punt
- Punt
- FG

Game Over.

2nd Half:
- TD
- Downs
- TD
- Interception
- TD
- Fumble

I was drinking by 18 year old Glenlivet by half time. At no time was the game in doubt after we went up 14-0.
 
All of this wordage doesn't take away the fact that Georgia did not play a team with more than 8 wins on the road. There isn't a solid road win.

You continue to talk about how Tennessee sucks but ranking wise we are Georgia's best win.

I am a bad fan because I question Georgia? Everyone on this message boards acts like they are the 1985 Chicago Bears or something (enjoy those SNL skits).

I think they are the best team but I don't think they are just dominate that they cannot be beat. I stated my facts that I don't think Georgia goes unbeaten playing Alabama's schedule. It doesn't mean they are worse than Alabama, it is more of the Lee Corso phrase "Not so fast my friends". Maybe a lot of it is me just going against what I see is flaws in normal thinking. I am notorious for doing that and sometimes it benefits me in seeing novel things others missed at work or other locations.

It may not have anything to do with Georgia but rather how people on this message board slobber all over them without really looking at the flaws in the general consensus on here that I am seeing.

I was the same way with Ohio State on here and CJ Stroud. I thought they were overhype and had a favorable schedule. I still think they are a top 3-4 team.

I am sorry, not seeing Georgia playing a meaningful road game is a BIG DEAL regardless of what people are saying on here. Georgia has looked different on the road. Alabama is like that. Look at how they play in Tuscaloosa versus the Road this year.
Yeesh ... I guess you are reaching for anything man. Good luck with that. SMH.
 
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