Tennessee or Nebraska?

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I hate to agree with you because I think there is some trolling effort against Nebraska but the B1G tends to struggle to produce great title contenders. All of the energy seems to be sapped up by Ohio State.

I think it is easier for Nebraska to win 9-10 games and finish in top 15 than Tennessee but will be harder to win a title.

It isn't that OSU saps up the energy -- they have, by far, the richest area in the B1G for recruiting and like Georgia, they are the only P5 school in state. So they get to the pick of the litter.
To put it in perspective how absurd the skill position talent is -- this was there WR room before:
Chris Olave
Garrett Wilson
Jaxon Ngjiba-Smith
Jameson Williams
Marvin Harrison Jr.
Julian Fleming
Emeka Egbuka

Williams couldn't get on the field -- so he transferred to Bama and will be a 1st round pick. Olave and Wilson will be 1st round picks in the NFL draft. Ngjiba-Smith was their best WR last year even though he played alongside two 1st round NFL picks.

Julian Fleming 5 star #1 WR in the class of 2020 (#3 recruit nationally) and Emeka Egbuka 5 star #1 WR in the class of 2021 (#5 recruit nationally) were their backups this year. Marvin Harrison Jr. caught 3 tds in the only game he started against Utah in their bowl game.

OSU is simply VASTLY more talented than every team in the B1G. You could add up the 5 star recruits for every other team in the B1G and multiply it by 2 and OSU would still have more 5 star recruits.

What the B1G needs is for Texas or A&M to become elite and start signing all the Texas recruits again, because OSU makes a KILLING off of them. JT Barrett, Jeff Okudah, Baron Browning, JK Dobbins, Quinn Ewers (thankfully he left), Emeka Egbuka, Garrett Wilson, Jaxon Ngjiba-Smith, Donovan Jackson all 5 star guys or top 50 guys -- those are just the guys off the top of my head.

 

[Thiefery]

That Solich never won a MAC title in 16 years, Callahan hasn't gotten another head coaching gig in 15 years, Pelini hasn't had a FBS head coaching gig in 8 years, Mike Riley is no longer a CFB head coach, and Frost is (4-8), (5-7), (3-5), (3-9) and last in the Big 10 West with average #20 recruiting classes is complete fucking coincidence.

yeah it's the same when I hear about how UT ruins coaches.. Act like Charlie Strong had a terrific tenure at USF.. Tom Herman out in Chicago coaching WRs.. they suck

 

[Thiefery]

It isn't that OSU saps up the energy -- they have, by far, the richest area in the B1G for recruiting and like Georgia, they are the only P5 school in state. So they get to the pick of the litter.
To put it in perspective how absurd the skill position talent is -- this was there WR room before:
Chris Olave
Garrett Wilson
Jaxon Ngjiba-Smith
Jameson Williams
Marvin Harrison Jr.
Julian Fleming
Emeka Egbuka

Williams couldn't get on the field -- so he transferred to Bama and will be a 1st round pick. Olave and Wilson will be 1st round picks in the NFL draft. Ngjiba-Smith was their best WR last year even though he played alongside two 1st round NFL picks.

Julian Fleming 5 star #1 WR in the class of 2020 (#3 recruit nationally) and Emeka Egbuka 5 star #1 WR in the class of 2021 (#5 recruit nationally) were their backups this year. Marvin Harrison Jr. caught 3 tds in the only game he started against Utah in their bowl game.

OSU is simply VASTLY more talented than every team in the B1G. You could add up the 5 star recruits for every other team in the B1G and multiply it by 2 and OSU would still have more 5 star recruits.

What the B1G needs is for Texas or A&M to become elite and start signing all the Texas recruits again, because OSU makes a KILLING off of them. JT Barrett, Jeff Okudah, Baron Browning, JK Dobbins, Quinn Ewers (thankfully he left), Emeka Egbuka, Garrett Wilson, Jaxon Ngjiba-Smith, Donovan Jackson all 5 star guys or top 50 guys -- those are just the guys off the top of my head.

What about Ryan Watts? Glad he left too?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

That Solich never won a MAC title in 16 years, Callahan hasn't gotten another head coaching gig in 15 years, Pelini hasn't had a FBS head coaching gig in 8 years, Mike Riley is no longer a CFB head coach, and Frost is (4-8), (5-7), (3-5), (3-9) and last in the Big 10 West with average #20 recruiting classes is complete fucking coincidence.

Yes -- because Frost can't win. Oh wait -- he led Central Florida to an undefeated season, that can't be true. He doesn't know how to coach. Mike Riley won 7 bowl games and had Oregon State ranked at the end of the year 4 times -- a program that had only been ranked at the end of the year 1 time in the 50 years prior. Yeah -- he doesn't know how to coach. Must be why he is a head coach in the USFL now.

Bo Pelini got the most out of Nebraska and he was fired. 8, 9 wins with the occasional 10 win season is where Nebraska will be in today's CFB. It is wild to me that Nebraska fans haven't caught on to the fact, if you don't recruit like the elite teams, you aren't beating the elite teams. They have rosters filled with 1st, 2nd, 3rd round NFL draft picks, with future 1st NFL draft picks waiting in the wings for their turn. The last player Nebraska had drafted in the 1st round was 10+ years ago. Is that the coaches fault? Maybe it is a coincidence it coincides with your move to the B1G West. I'm sure it is really easy to talk elite recruits to come to the middle of nowhere to play big rivalry games with............Iowa and Wisconsin. But you are right -- Nebraska is just a coach away. Let me know when it is proper for me to tell you, I told you so. I will hold off until Frost is fired after this next season and we get to find out who the next coach Nebraska fans will blame.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

What about Ryan Watts? Glad he left too?

Ryan Watts? That name doesn't ring a bell?

 

[Red_Alert]

It isn't that OSU saps up the energy -- they have, by far, the richest area in the B1G for recruiting and like Georgia, they are the only P5 school in state. So they get to the pick of the litter.
To put it in perspective how absurd the skill position talent is -- this was there WR room before:
Chris Olave
Garrett Wilson
Jaxon Ngjiba-Smith
Jameson Williams
Marvin Harrison Jr.
Julian Fleming
Emeka Egbuka

Williams couldn't get on the field -- so he transferred to Bama and will be a 1st round pick. Olave and Wilson will be 1st round picks in the NFL draft. Ngjiba-Smith was their best WR last year even though he played alongside two 1st round NFL picks.

Julian Fleming 5 star #1 WR in the class of 2020 (#3 recruit nationally) and Emeka Egbuka 5 star #1 WR in the class of 2021 (#5 recruit nationally) were their backups this year. Marvin Harrison Jr. caught 3 tds in the only game he started against Utah in their bowl game.

OSU is simply VASTLY more talented than every team in the B1G. You could add up the 5 star recruits for every other team in the B1G and multiply it by 2 and OSU would still have more 5 star recruits.

What the B1G needs is for Texas or A&M to become elite and start signing all the Texas recruits again, because OSU makes a KILLING off of them. JT Barrett, Jeff Okudah, Baron Browning, JK Dobbins, Quinn Ewers (thankfully he left), Emeka Egbuka, Garrett Wilson, Jaxon Ngjiba-Smith, Donovan Jackson all 5 star guys or top 50 guys -- those are just the guys off the top of my head.

Goes on about how rich the talent level is in Ohio, then lists 7 of their WR's, of which none are from Ohio. LMFAO!!

Chris Olave - California
Garrett Wilson - Texas
Jaxon Ngjiba-Smith - Texas
Jameson Williams - Missouri
Marvin Harrison Jr. - Pennsylvania
Julian Fleming - Pennsylvania
Emeka Egbuka - Washington

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I hate to agree with you because I think there is some trolling effort against Nebraska but the B1G tends to struggle to produce great title contenders. All of the energy seems to be sapped up by Ohio State.

I think it is easier for Nebraska to win 9-10 games and finish in top 15 than Tennessee but will be harder to win a title.

I am not trolling Nebraska. They screwed themselves (their football program) by leaving the Big 12 to come to the B1G. I've been telling Nebraska fans for years, even before Frost.

When they were in the Big 12 -- they could sign elite recruits out of the West and Southwest, as they played many of their games near where those recruits grew up. Now they play every game in the Midwest, making it difficult to pull those recruits now. When you couple that with having zero in state talent and zero in surrounding states -- the ceiling for Nebraska is winning 8,9 games a year with the occasional 10.

The best chance they have at becoming elite again is talking Warren Buffett into donating a fortune for them to buy a few recruiting classes. It is their only shot to recruit like the Georgia, Bama, OSU, etc.

 

[Red_Alert]

Yes -- because Frost can't win. Oh wait -- he led Central Florida to an undefeated season, that can't be true. He doesn't know how to coach. Mike Riley won 7 bowl games and had Oregon State ranked at the end of the year 4 times -- a program that had only been ranked at the end of the year 1 time in the 50 years prior. Yeah -- he doesn't know how to coach. Must be why he is a head coach in the USFL now.

Bo Pelini got the most out of Nebraska and he was fired. 8, 9 wins with the occasional 10 win season is where Nebraska will be in today's CFB. It is wild to me that Nebraska fans haven't caught on to the fact, if you don't recruit like the elite teams, you aren't beating the elite teams. They have rosters filled with 1st, 2nd, 3rd round NFL draft picks, with future 1st NFL draft picks waiting in the wings for their turn. The last player Nebraska had drafted in the 1st round was 10+ years ago. Is that the coaches fault? Maybe it is a coincidence it coincides with your move to the B1G West. I'm sure it is really easy to talk elite recruits to come to the middle of nowhere to play big rivalry games with............Iowa and Wisconsin. But you are right -- Nebraska is just a coach away. Let me know when it is proper for me to tell you, I told you so. I will hold off until Frost is fired after this next season and we get to find out who the next coach Nebraska fans will blame.

Pelini never had less than 9 wins, you flaming idiot.

You can't even get your basics right.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Goes on about how rich the talent level is in Ohio, then lists 7 of their WR's, of which none are from Ohio. LMFAO!!

Chris Olave - California
Garrett Wilson - Texas
Jaxon Ngjiba-Smith - Texas
Jameson Williams - Missouri
Marvin Harrison Jr. - Pennsylvania
Julian Fleming - Pennsylvania
Emeka Egbuka - Washington

Yes -- because i was talking about their skill position talent.

Zach Harrison is a 5 DE they signed out of Ohio. Jack Sawyer is a 5 star DE they signed out of Ohio. CJ Hicks is 5 star LB they signed out of Ohio. Sonny Styles is a 5 star Safety they signed out of Ohio. Tyreke Smith was a 5 star DE they signed out of Ohio. Jalen Gill was a 5 star athlete they signed out of Ohio.

In the Midwest -- Ohio is the recruiting hotbed. The only Midwest state close is Pennsylvania. The rest of the states are hit or miss.

 

[Red_Alert]

Yes -- because i was talking about their skill position talent.

Zach Harrison is a 5 DE they signed out of Ohio. Jack Sawyer is a 5 star DE they signed out of Ohio. CJ Hicks is 5 star LB they signed out of Ohio. Sonny Styles is a 5 star Safety they signed out of Ohio. Tyreke Smith was a 5 star DE they signed out of Ohio. Jalen Gill was a 5 star athlete they signed out of Ohio.

In the Midwest -- Ohio is the recruiting hotbed. The only Midwest state close is Pennsylvania. The rest of the states are hit or miss.

Bleh, Bleh, Bleh,,,,,,,,,

Ohio St recruits nationally. The vast majority of their roster are not from Ohio.

States represented in Ohio St's 2021 class

Ohio: 6
Washington: 2 (Not D.C. dumbass)
Virginia: 2
Pennsylvania: 2
Texas: 1
Missouri: 1
Georgia: 1
North Carolina: 1
Tennessee: 1
Kentucky: 1
Arizona: 1
Indiana: 1
Colorado: 1
Australia: 1

tOSU does pretty well considering the deep south is not well represented in their classes.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Pelini never had less than 9 wins, you flaming idiot.

You can't even get your basics right.

You do realize -- I never said Pelini had less than 9 wins. Maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I said - 8,9 wins with the occasional 10 win season is your ceiling right now.

All I said about Pelini is that he got the most out of Nebraska and he was fired for it. Nebraska should have given him an extension.

I'm on the edge of my seat to find out who the next coach Nebraska fans will blame though. Not sure if they are aware, but coaches in today's CFB aren't lining up to be at a school with zero in state talent and where they end up essentially with the table scraps. It is why Kelly left ND to go to LSU. It is why Riley left OU to go to USC. RECRUITING.

 

[Red_Alert]

You do realize -- I never said Pelini had less than 9 wins. Maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I said - 8,9 wins with the occasional 10 win season is your ceiling right now.

All I said about Pelini is that he got the most out of Nebraska and he was fired for it. Nebraska should have given him an extension.

I'm on the edge of my seat to find out who the next coach Nebraska fans will blame though. Not sure if they are aware, but coaches in today's CFB aren't lining up to be at a school with zero in state talent and where they end up essentially with the table scraps. It is why Kelly left ND to go to LSU. It is why Riley left OU to go to USC. RECRUITING.

You don't know shit.

Pelini's record against teams with 8 or more wins was atrocious. His wins came against teams with 7 or less wins.

Pelini has not had a FBS head coaching job since he was fired at Nebraska. He lasted one year as DC at LSU.

That's because he's not a good coach.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Bleh, Bleh, Bleh,,,,,,,,,

Ohio St recruits nationally. The vast majority of their roster are not from Ohio.


States represented in Ohio St's 2021 class

Ohio: 6
Washington: 2 (Not D.C. dumbass)
Virginia: 2
Pennsylvania: 2
Texas: 1
Missouri: 1
Georgia: 1
North Carolina: 1
Tennessee: 1
Kentucky: 1
Arizona: 1
Indiana: 1
Colorado: 1
Australia: 1

tOSU does pretty well considering the deep south is not well represented in their classes.

Every team recruits nationally genius. Notice how their is a 6 next to Ohio. That called a recruiting base with in state talent. In 2021, it was 5 star DE Jack Sawyer who was at all the national camps helping recruit kids. In 2022, it was 5 star LB CJ Hicks and 5 star Safety Sonny Styles at the national camps helping recruit kids.

See how that works? The best players want to play with the best players. When you have some of the best players IN YOUR BACKYARD, it makes life much easier. (See Georgia, see Alabama, see LSU, see every team in the top 10 recruiting nationally)

It isn't rocket science. Nebraska could get away with it before national camps, before the internet, before every team was on TV every week, before strength and conditioning coaches in HS, before Specialized position coaches, etc. All that is hear and with the ENORMOUS disadvantage Nebraska has by having zero in state talent and now playing all their games in the Midwest -- they have next to no shot of ever winning a single national title, let alone becoming nationally elite again.

The best shot they have is if CFB goes to a NFL style draft.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

You don't know shit.

Pelini's record against teams with 8 or more wins was atrocious. His wins came against teams with 7 or less wins.

Pelini has not had a FBS head coaching job since he was fired at Nebraska. He lasted one year as DC at LSU.

That's because he's not a good coach.

I know Scott Frost is not a good coach. Disregard going 13-0 at Central Florida. Mike Riley is not a good coach. Disregard the fact he took a bottom feeder program and led them to final ranking 4 times and won 7 bowl games. Bo Pelini is trash.

At what point do you figure out -- it isn't just the coaches fault and with the limitations Nebraska has in today's college football recruiting landscape is a big reason too?

 

[Red_Alert]

Every team recruits nationally genius. Notice how their is a 6 next to Ohio. That called a recruiting base with in state talent. In 2021, it was 5 star DE Jack Sawyer who was at all the national camps helping recruit kids. In 2022, it was 5 star LB CJ Hicks and 5 star Safety Sonny Styles at the national camps helping recruit kids.

See how that works? The best players want to play with the best players. When you have some of the best players IN YOUR BACKYARD, it makes life much easier. (See Georgia, see Alabama, see LSU, see every team in the top 10 recruiting nationally)

It isn't rocket science. Nebraska could get away with it before national camps, before the internet, before every team was on TV every week, before strength and conditioning coaches in HS, before Specialized position coaches, etc. All that is hear and with the ENORMOUS disadvantage Nebraska has by having zero in state talent and now playing all their games in the Midwest -- they have next to no shot of ever winning a single national title, let alone becoming nationally elite again.

The best shot they have is if CFB goes to a NFL style draft.

DUH

So a total of five 5*'s from Ohio in 4 years. Basically one 5* per year.

How many 5* recruits did CJ Hicks and Sonny Styles talk into going to Ohio St with them in 2022? ..... None

USC, Texas, Miami, FSU, Florida, etc blow up your BS about talent rich areas being guaranteed success.

A coach that can put the pieces together and get players lined up right has success. That success attracts better players.
It's what Dabo did at Clemson. The more he won with those #15 and #16 ranked recruiting classes the better players he got to where he's now recruiting Top 10 and Top 5 classes.

Frost was recruiting #20 classes on average with the results of 4 wins, 5 wins, 3 wins, and 3 wins. His 2022 recruiting class dropped to #41 because of that. He can't even keep his 4* in-state talent in Nebraska anymore.

It's coaching, you imbecile.

 

[Red_Alert]

I know Scott Frost is not a good coach. Disregard going 13-0 at Central Florida. Mike Riley is not a good coach. Disregard the fact he took a bottom feeder program and led them to final ranking 4 times and won 7 bowl games. Bo Pelini is trash.

At what point do you figure out -- it isn't just the coaches fault and with the limitations Nebraska has in today's college football recruiting landscape is a big reason too?

Central Florida is G5.
Luke Fickell is doing great at G5 Cincy. How well did he do in his one year as interim coach at Ohio St? (6-7)

 

[Thiefery]

Texas: 1
tOSU does pretty well considering the deep south is not well represented in their classes.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Central Florida is G5.
Luke Fickell is doing great at G5 Cincy. How well did he do in his one year as interim coach at Ohio St? (6-7)

Bro, don't ya know... coaching doesn't matter. Only natural talent matters. Coaching is about schemes, not about developing players.

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What's that? Russell Wilson was a 2 star? JJ Watt was a 2 star? Khalil Mack, Josh Allen, Hunter Renfrow all 2 stars?

Fuck and thats not even talking about 3 star talent that was developed better. Or 4 star talent like Suh who happened to clearly be 5 star talent as he was one of the best DTs in a long while.

Shit that's not even talking about walk-on talent like Clay Matthew's or FCS kids that werent offered like Carson Wentz or Cooper Kupp.

Good coaches develope the talent. Does talent matter? Absolutely, but coaching matters just as much. When you combine the two, you get Saban/Bama teams. To act like talent is the only thing that matters is absurd and I would like someone to then explain to me why 01 Miami didn't beat every team on their schedule by 100 points or at least why they had ANY close games with 17 first rounders.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

DUH

So a total of five 5*'s from Ohio in 4 years. Basically one 5* per year.

How many 5* recruits did CJ Hicks and Sonny Styles talk into going to Ohio St with them in 2022? ..... None

USC, Texas, Miami, FSU, Florida, etc blow up your BS about talent rich areas being guaranteed success.

A coach that can put the pieces together and get players lined up right has success. That success attracts better players.
It's what Dabo did at Clemson. The more he won with those #15 and #16 ranked recruiting classes the better players he got to where he's now recruiting Top 10 and Top 5 classes.

Frost was recruiting #20 classes on average with the results of 4 wins, 5 wins, 3 wins, and 3 wins. His 2022 recruiting class dropped to #41 because of that. He can't even keep his 4* in-state talent in Nebraska anymore.

It's coaching, you imbecile.

You mean the Clemson that is located right on the border of Georgia. You know, the state where he was able to sign DeShaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence from.

And talent rich areas do not guarantee success -- but no one is winning titles without a talent rich recruiting area in today's CFB. Feel free to name the school winning titles without a talent rich recruiting area? I will wait.

And you Nebraska fans need to keep your stories straight -- the 2022 class was always going to be ranked lower because you guys have 80 underclassmen or something ridiculous like that is what was said on here. That's why your class dropped -- you only signed 18 and if you aren't signing elite recruits -- you aren't finishing with a top 20 class w/ only 18 recruits.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Bro, don't ya know... coaching doesn't matter. Only natural talent matters. Coaching is about schemes, not about developing players.

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What's that? Russell Wilson was a 2 star? JJ Watt was a 2 star? Khalil Mack, Josh Allen, Hunter Renfrow all 2 stars?

Fuck and thats not even talking about 3 star talent that was developed better. Or 4 star talent like Suh who happened to clearly be 5 star talent as he was one of the best DTs in a long while.

Shit that's not even talking about walk-on talent like Clay Matthew's or FCS kids that werent offered like Carson Wentz or Cooper Kupp.

Good coaches develope the talent. Does talent matter? Absolutely, but coaching matters just as much. When you combine the two, you get Saban/Bama teams. To act like talent is the only thing that matters is absurd and I would like someone to then explain to me why 01 Miami didn't beat every team on their schedule by 100 points or at least why they had ANY close games with 17 first rounders.

Feel free to tell me the team in CFB today who isn't elite recruiting that is winning titles? I will wait.

Can players be developed? ABSOLUTELY. Is a team going to win a title full of 3 star recruits with a couple 4 star guys sprinkled in? No.