Tennessee or Nebraska?

[Red_Alert]

This is a thread about..........................Nebraska.

I don't need to start a thread like this -- I said years ago that Nebraska was going to struggle after coming to the B1G. As more threads come up like this -- it just proves the point I made year's ago.

But Nebraska fans are right.................it is Pelini's fault, Riley's fault, Frost's fault............fill in the next head coaches fault. At some point you will realize you aren't competing for titles in today's CFB with no in state talent and no talent in surrounding states to have a recruiting base.

You let me know when I should say "I told you so".

It doesn't need to be a thread about Nebraska. You're like a stuck record in that you spout the same stuff in every thread.

Nebraska lives rent free in your head since 1997. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

I will go one better -- I will do a lifetime avy bet with you that Nebraska doesn't win 9 games like you predicted. Let me know.

Hmm... I'll think about it. We got time. Bookmark this and remind me closer to the beginning of the season.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Here is the difference -- I don't expect Michigan to be among the elite programs. Michigan is what it is and that is where they will stay, because they do not have the necessary in state talent to put up monster classes every year. But Michigan looks like a recruiting juggernaut compared to Nebraska and the state of Michigan for recruits looks like Georgia compared to Nebraska.

Nebraska fans truly believe they are simply a coach away from being elite again, completely ignoring how much the game has changed, recruiting has changed and the fact Nebraska is no longer a big fish in the Big 12, they are now a middle of the road team, not in the B1G, but in just the B1G West.

You would get along great with the homer UM fans who want to talk about the most wins, as if that means anything. You could sit down and talk about all the wins you've had in the past. My question is -- why didn't you post Nebraska's record since they sold their soul for a few extra dollars and screwed the football program by joining the program? You've been like a .500 program, while playing in the weak division of the B1G. But we know -- it was Pelini's fault, it was Riley's fault, it is now Frost's fault.

A little hint -- zero in state recruits, no surrounding states with alot of elite recruits, playing your games in the midwest now, having no national rival anymore and playing in the "other division" of the B1G is why. Pelini should have been given a massive raise, he shouldn't have been fired.

Those things hurt no doubt, but you act like that has ever been different. Nebraska has never had much of in state talent and still became a powerhouse for decades.

Fuck just last season Nebraska lost every game by 1 possession (except Ohio st by 9pts) Nebraska was never out of any game. A little cleaner play and maybe a bounce and who knows. You think that is just how it is now, it was only a handful of years ago when we were competing and smashing Michigan lol. Ebb and flow. There isn't a single blue blood program that hasn't had its own down years, you just want to believe this is permanent, but inside you're insecure as fuck.

And this might be a Nebraska related thread.... what about the others? Again you keep dick riding in every thread. No matter what is being talked about, you see a Nebraska poster and you lose your shit, get all triggered, turn into a bitch, and meltdown.

Get off our dick.

 

[Innermind]

None of the above....


we'll all soon be glowing after the mushroom clouds do their thing.

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[Codaxx]

yeah but Casey had a bum thumb from the ou game, on

Oddly it was fine vs Kansas, but a disaster before and after. Doesn’t really matter, all I know is his teammates were recruiting Ewers before the season was finished

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Oddly it was fine vs Kansas, but a disaster before and after. Doesn’t really matter, all I know is his teammates were recruiting Ewers before the season was finished

I'm gonna try to find a good thing in this and say that hopefully that humbled Thompson and put a new fire in him.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

I'm gonna try to find a good thing in this and say that hopefully that humbled Thompson and put a new fire in him.

How’s your o-line? JT Daniels can’t transfer until he graduates in the spring. He can make all the throws if he has protection and is a good dude, just a statue in the pocket

 

[BigRedMoe]

I hope both of them never get up off the mat

 

[BigRedMoe]

How’s your o-line? JT Daniels can’t transfer until he graduates in the spring. He can make all the throws if he has protection and is a good dude, just a statue in the pocket

He would probs die behind our o-line then.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

How’s your o-line?

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Poll fail, can't see who the 11 gheys are that need Grindr profiles

 

[7samurai13]

He would probs die behind our o-line then.

He would get murdered in spring ball even with QBs not allowed to be hit

 

[Codaxx]

I'm gonna try to find a good thing in this and say that hopefully that humbled Thompson and put a new fire in him.

He showed promise, but it was all or nothing. 16 of 24 TD passes came in 3 games. He lit up shit defenses and fell apart vs good defenses. It’s was year one. He can take a step forward and help Nebraska. I just wouldn’t put a lot of money on a 23-24 year old kid taking that step

 

[CoalTrain]

Tennessee is already back.
JH made a bowl game while what is the equivalent of the 1980’s death penalty was in effect last year.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Those things hurt no doubt, but you act like that has ever been different. Nebraska has never had much of in state talent and still became a powerhouse for decades.

Fuck just last season Nebraska lost every game by 1 possession (except Ohio st by 9pts) Nebraska was never out of any game. A little cleaner play and maybe a bounce and who knows. You think that is just how it is now, it was only a handful of years ago when we were competing and smashing Michigan lol. Ebb and flow. There isn't a single blue blood program that hasn't had its own down years, you just want to believe this is permanent, but inside you're insecure as fuck.

And this might be a Nebraska related thread.... what about the others? Again you keep dick riding in every thread. No matter what is being talked about, you see a Nebraska poster and you lose your shit, get all triggered, turn into a bitch, and meltdown.

Get off our dick.

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Here are the issues Nebraska fans don't seem to grasp. Back in the 70's, 80's, even the 90's. The Midwest was just like the South when it came to recruiting. As the population shifted with the decline in industrialization -- more and more people moved South for the climate and employment. With it went most of the advantage the Midwest states had. Here is a chart to help you understand.

List of U.S. states and territories by historical population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the late 90's/2000's came the internet -- less and less recruits would slip thru the crack as coaches could watch a recruit with the click of the button.

In the early/mid 00's came the national football camps, now these kids could be viewed by the dozens at one spot by coaching staffs.

In the early/mid 00's -- high schools started running strength programs, kids started getting individualized position camps, 7 on 7 tournies around the country, etc. What this does is -- it eliminates a lot of those diamond in the rough recruits who come int as a 0 star and become All-Americans. Recruits are closer than ever to their ceiling, which makes signing those elite 5 star/top 50, top 100 type recruits.

All of these things are why Nebraska isn't going to be a national power again, it is why Michigan won't be a national power and last year is about their ceiling, it is why Notre Dame is in the same boat as UM.

You HAVE to have a rich base of recruits in your state. Those recruits have grown up as fans, they know everything about the school, they have been to the games -- with social media -- those kids turn into your best recruiters to sell the school and program.

It isn't rocket science -- it also isn't a coincidence that the top schools recruiting are the schools located in talent rich states. And the schools winning national titles every year are the schools located in talent rich states.

 

[Goldbug]

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Here are the issues Nebraska fans don't seem to grasp. Back in the 70's, 80's, even the 90's. The Midwest was just like the South when it came to recruiting. As the population shifted with the decline in industrialization -- more and more people moved South for the climate and employment. With it went most of the advantage the Midwest states had. Here is a chart to help you understand.

List of U.S. states and territories by historical population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the late 90's/2000's came the internet -- less and less recruits would slip thru the crack as coaches could watch a recruit with the click of the button.

In the early/mid 00's came the national football camps, now these kids could be viewed by the dozens at one spot by coaching staffs.

In the early/mid 00's -- high schools started running strength programs, kids started getting individualized position camps, 7 on 7 tournies around the country, etc. What this does is -- it eliminates a lot of those diamond in the rough recruits who come int as a 0 star and become All-Americans. Recruits are closer than ever to their ceiling, which makes signing those elite 5 star/top 50, top 100 type recruits.

All of these things are why Nebraska isn't going to be a national power again, it is why Michigan won't be a national power and last year is about their ceiling, it is why Notre Dame is in the same boat as UM.

You HAVE to have a rich base of recruits in your state. Those recruits have grown up as fans, they know everything about the school, they have been to the games -- with social media -- those kids turn into your best recruiters to sell the school and program.

It isn't rocket science -- it also isn't a coincidence that the top schools recruiting are the schools located in talent rich states. And the schools winning national titles every year are the schools located in talent rich states.

I would add that if you're a good program next door to states with a lot of good recruits, you will also be fine. OU is an example. Oregon is another. There are all kinds of examples. Bottom line, don't EVER go down the tubes for too long or you will not recover in today's game. I disagree about Michigan. Michigan is a helluva school and all the Wolverines need to do is string a couple of really good years together and they will be back on track. Nebraska? Tough row to hoe, man. Just too many things going against them......and they're my second favorite team.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I would add that if you're a good program next door to states with a lot of good recruits, you will also be fine. OU is an example. Oregon is another. There are all kinds of examples. Bottom line, don't EVER go down the tubes for too long or you will not recover in today's game. I disagree about Michigan. Michigan is a helluva school and all the Wolverines need to do is string a couple of really good years together and they will be back on track. Nebraska? Tough row to hoe, man. Just too many things going against them......and they're my second favorite team.

OU is essentially in that same boat too. If Riley locks down California (Which he seems-- they will be in the Michigan/Notre Dame boat, where you will get some top 10 classes, but most will be top 15ish type classes.

That is good enough to beat the majority of teams, but not good enough to win national titles (unless you have an otherworldly QB, as Clemson did with DeShaun Watson). It is why teams like Michigan, Notre Dame and Oklahoma haven't won a title in 20+ years.

Those teams will still get to the CFP and may even reach the NC game. But being a national title contender on a year to year basis isn't happening with those teams. I honestly have no idea why Texas and OU want to join the SEC -- it will only make life that much harder on them.

 

[Goldbug]

OU is essentially in that same boat too. If Riley locks down California (Which he seems-- they will be in the Michigan/Notre Dame boat, where you will get some top 10 classes, but most will be top 15ish type classes.

That is good enough to beat the majority of teams, but not good enough to win national titles (unless you have an otherworldly QB, as Clemson did with DeShaun Watson). It is why teams like Michigan, Notre Dame and Oklahoma haven't won a title in 20+ years.

Those teams will still get to the CFP and may even reach the NC game. But being a national title contender on a year to year basis isn't happening with those teams. I honestly have no idea why Texas and OU want to join the SEC -- it will only make life that much harder on them.

We didn't do anything in the CFP because we didn't play any defense. And thank God our most recent DC is now at USC where the Trojan fans are going to see how well a "Speed D" does. OU will be fine. We just went through hell and still had the #7 class in the country. Give us good years and we'll consistently be up in the top 5. Then the rest of it is up to Venables and the rest of the staff. Also, we are going to the SEC for the $$$. Don't know if that's a smart move yet or not but there is your reason.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

We didn't do anything in the CFP because we didn't play any defense. And thank God our most recent DC is now at USC where the Trojan fans are going to see how well a "Speed D" does. OU will be fine. We just went through hell and still had the #7 class in the country. Give us good years and we'll consistently be up in the top 5. Then the rest of it is up to Venables and the rest of the staff. Also, we are going to the SEC for the $$$. Don't know if that's a smart move yet or not but there is your reason.

That's why Nebraska went to the B1G. Going from the big fish in a small pond to just another fish in a stocked pond isn't a great choice for a few extra dollars.

You are going from almost a guaranteed spot in a CCG to a league where, at best, you will be the 3rd best team (no chance OU can recruit with Bama and Georgia) and could easily be the 5th or 6th best team if those teams in crazy rich recruiting areas like Florida and Louisiana find the right coach.

And USC will be able to bring in defensive recruits that OU simply never could, so your most recent DC could look much better at USC. They already have multiple 5 star defensive recruits with Korey Foreman (#2 overall recruit) and Domani Jackson (#5 overall recruit) -- If they simply sign the elite defensive talent in state -- the DC will have more talent to work with than he did at OU.

The advantages of being located in a talent rich state is so enormous.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

That's why Nebraska went to the B1G. Going from the big fish in a small pond to just another fish in a stocked pond isn't a great choice for a few extra dollars.

You are going from almost a guaranteed spot in a CCG to a league where, at best, you will be the 3rd best team (no chance OU can recruit with Bama and Georgia) and could easily be the 5th or 6th best team if those teams in crazy rich recruiting areas like Florida and Louisiana find the right coach.

And USC will be able to bring in defensive recruits that OU simply never could, so your most recent DC could look much better at USC. They already have multiple 5 star defensive recruits with Korey Foreman (#2 overall recruit) and Domani Jackson (#5 overall recruit) -- If they simply sign the elite defensive talent in state -- the DC will have more talent to work with than he did at OU.

The advantages of being located in a talent rich state is so enormous.

You have more faith in USC being able to get DL and Edge players to go there. Here are the number of Cali DL/Edge top 50 (top 50 DL/Edge, not top 50 players) in the last 5 years ... AL, FL, GA, TX regularly have a half dozen or more.

2023 - 1
2022 - 2
2021 - 2
2020 - 0
2019 - 6

By contrast, the state of Georgia has 4 this year, as many as Cali in 2020-2023. USC becoming a national player will depend on whether they can get the DL and OL. I just don't think they can. I think we will see OU 2.0, which ain't bad at all. But anyone thinking that we are going to see USC v. 1.0 of the early 2000s may be in for a surprise.