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[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Yeah, he turned things around and he had a good record if you just compare it to previous coaches. But I remember a lot of UM fans putting him on the hot seat because he couldn't win the big one. Sort of similar to Day. Expectations are more important than records sometimes.

It just takes one great season to change the perception. If Day wins a Natty, a lot will be forgiven.

Except with Day he's functionally regressed from the previous coaching staff. Harbaugh improved significantly from the previous coaching staff. Day took over a machine and made it worse. Harbaugh took over a dumpster fire and almost beat Ohio State in year 2.

 

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The stallions graphic is stupid. Because it's also before and after Minter/McDonald. It's also before/after JJ and Corum. It's also before/after like 40 NFL draft picks.

Harbaugh turned a team that was a dumpster fire for a good portion of 8 years prior into a team that was consistently in the title race at the end of the year for the B10. He had two truly bad seasons out of 9, and one of those was Covid where a bunch of starters opted out.

Harbaugh's first 6 Michigan teams were only below standard if you use Ohio State as the standard. They were well above average compared to pretty much everyone else; including Michigan for most of this millennium. And he was inches away from beating Ohio State a few times in that first 6 year span.

11 guys got drafted after 2016. 10 got drafted after 2019. Talent was never an issue. You can talk about JJ and Corum all you want but that's flatout ignoring Brandon Peters (4*, #3 QB in 2016), Dylan McCaffrey (4*, #6 QB in 2017), and eventually Shea Patterson (5*, #1 QB). That's also ignoring the plethora of 4/5* skill position players you guys got back then like DPJ, Nico Collins, Karon Higdon, Tarik Black, Zach Charbonnet, etc that were all there. Those years were below standard for any team that was pulling in talent at the level michigan was. 2016, 2017, 2019 were all elite classes.

Except with Day he's functionally regressed from the previous coaching staff. Harbaugh improved significantly from the previous coaching staff. Day took over a machine and made it worse. Harbaugh took over a dumpster fire and almost beat Ohio State in year 2.

Day hasn't regressed at all if you look at OSU in 2016-2018. Sure, it's regressed since the NC in 2014, but it was going that under Urban. 2019, 2020, and 2022 were all significantly better teams than the 2016-2018 OSU teams overall. Harbaugh took over for two straight duds at HC while Day took over for one of the best of all-time.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

11 guys got drafted after 2016. 10 got drafted after 2019. Talent was never an issue. You can talk about JJ and Corum all you want but that's flatout ignoring Brandon Peters (4*, #3 QB in 2016), Dylan McCaffrey (4*, #6 QB in 2017), and eventually Shea Patterson (5*, #1 QB). That's also ignoring the plethora of 4/5* skill position players you guys got back then like DPJ, Nico Collins, Karon Higdon, Tarik Black, Zach Charbonnet, etc that were all there. Those years were below standard for any team that was pulling in talent at the level michigan was. 2016, 2017, 2019 were all elite classes.

Day hasn't regressed at all if you look at OSU in 2016-2018. Sure, it's regressed since the NC in 2014, but it was going that under Urban. 2019, 2020, and 2022 were all significantly better teams than the 2016-2018 OSU teams overall. Harbaugh took over for two straight duds at HC while Day took over for one of the best of all-time.

Compare the draft numbers

Michigan Wolverines Draft History

Michigan Wolverines Draft History - A Comprehensive List of Draft Information

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2015 - 3
2016 - 3
2017- 11
2018 - 2
2019 - 5
2020 - 10

2021 - 8
2022 - 5
2023 - 9
2024 - 13

You can see how up and down the talent was in the pre-2020 years and how much more consistent the talent was post 2020.

 

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Compare the draft numbers

Michigan Wolverines Draft History

Michigan Wolverines Draft History - A Comprehensive List of Draft Information

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2015 - 3
2016 - 3
2017- 11
2018 - 2
2019 - 5
2020 - 10

2021 - 8
2022 - 5
2023 - 9
2024 - 13

You can see how up and down the talent was in the pre-2020 years and how much more consistent the talent was post 2020.

So Harbaugh was... a mediocre coach those 6 years and that is also including development? It's not as if any of those 2017 draft guys were his recruits.

Even if you take away the OSU/michigan game, before last year, Day was already more accomplished than Harbaugh in half as many years. Each had 2 conference titles, but Day had been to the playoffs 3 times, blew out Clemson in 2020, and even won a Rose Bowl in 2021. Hell I'd argue the OSU game vs. UGA was far more of an accomplishment than anything Harbaugh had done in the postseason from 2015-2022.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

If we had Harbaugh we would have the NCAA elbow deep in our assholes for cheating. For the majority of his time at michigan, he was a mediocre/below average coach. Stop trying to act like that isn't true.

It is humorous how clueless Ohio fans are. He didn't have to just win games at Michigan. He had to change the entire culture of the program. We weren't just losing, we were getting pushed around by teams.
The same thing will need to happen at Ohio once Day is gone because your program is soft.

The part Ohio fans don't seem to grasp is -- Michigan doesn't recruit ANYWHERE NEAR the level of Ohio. The difference between consistently recruiting at top 3 to top 5 level to a team recruiting at top 10 to top 15 level is enormous. Ohio has 91% blue chip recruits on their team. Michigan has 53%. We won a title at a shade under 60% blue chip.

Give Harbaugh Ohio's roster and you'd have at least one, if not more National Titles.

Look at what Harbaugh has done for the Chargers already. They were 5-12 last year. He traded their best WR. He traded their best RB. They are now 8-4 and have one of the best defenses in the NFL.

To even mention Ryan Day in the same sentence as Harbaugh is a slap in the face to head coaches everywhere.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

So Harbaugh was... a mediocre coach those 6 years and that is also including development? It's not as if any of those 2017 draft guys were his recruits.

Even if you take away the OSU/michigan game, before last year, Day was already more accomplished than Harbaugh in half as many years. Each had 2 conference titles, but Day had been to the playoffs 3 times, blew out Clemson in 2020, and even won a Rose Bowl in 2021. Hell I'd argue the OSU game vs. UGA was far more of an accomplishment than anything Harbaugh had done in the postseason from 2015-2022.

Mediocre compared to who? An established Ohio State program? Sure. Compared to Purdue? No.

 

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Mediocre compared to who? An established Ohio State program? Sure. Compared to Purdue? No.

I'd say compared to the immense amount of hype he came in with. michigan fans were acting like he was going to come in and start pumping out Andrew Lucks every year and take over the conference. Again, even without the OSU games his first 6 years, he didn't beat anyone worth a damn period.

 

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It is humorous how clueless Ohio fans are. He didn't have to just win games at Michigan. He had to change the entire culture of the program. We weren't just losing, we were getting pushed around by teams.
The same thing will need to happen at Ohio once Day is gone because your program is soft.

The part Ohio fans don't seem to grasp is -- Michigan doesn't recruit ANYWHERE NEAR the level of Ohio. The difference between consistently recruiting at top 3 to top 5 level to a team recruiting at top 10 to top 15 level is enormous. Ohio has 91% blue chip recruits on their team. Michigan has 53%. We won a title at a shade under 60% blue chip.

Give Harbaugh Ohio's roster and you'd have at least one, if not more National Titles.

Look at what Harbaugh has done for the Chargers already. They were 5-12 last year. He traded their best WR. He traded their best RB. They are now 8-4 and have one of the best defenses in the NFL.

To even mention Ryan Day in the same sentence as Harbaugh is a slap in the face to head coaches everywhere.

I guess we'll see what the NCAA has to say. Fact remains, Day's first 4 years >>> Harbaugh's first 8.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I guess we'll see what the NCAA has to say. Fact remains, Day's first 4 years >>> Harbaugh's first 8.

It is wild how delusional Ohio fans are. You realize your coaches record are that good because of the talent on your roster.

Ohio State has 14 5 star recruits on their roster this year (and 91% blue chip recruits), even with the addition of Oregon, USC, Washington and UCLA -- The rest of the 17 BIG teams combined only have 15.

The fact you don't win the B1G every year tells you how poor your coaching and development is. It also should tell you how poor Ryan Day is as a coach.

So as I said -- IF Harbaugh was handed the roster at Ohio the last 5 years -- they would have won the B1G every year and would have at least one national title, if not more.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I'd say compared to the immense amount of hype he came in with. michigan fans were acting like he was going to come in and start pumping out Andrew Lucks every year and take over the conference. Again, even without the OSU games his first 6 years, he didn't beat anyone worth a damn period.

They did 100% act like he was going to come in and hand pick any top recruits because of his "NFL Pedigree"

 

[osubuckeye89]

It is wild how delusional Ohio fans are. You realize your coaches record are that good because of the talent on your roster.

Ohio State has 14 5 star recruits on their roster this year (and 91% blue chip recruits), even with the addition of Oregon, USC, Washington and UCLA -- The rest of the 17 BIG teams combined only have 15.

The fact you don't win the B1G every year tells you how poor your coaching and development is. It also should tell you how poor Ryan Day is as a coach.

So as I said -- IF Harbaugh was handed the roster at Ohio the last 5 years -- they would have won the B1G every year and would have at least one national title, if not more.

It is all on Day you got that right

DL development has been non existent in recent years, that's because LJsr has had the game pass him by and Day refuses to get rid of him

Frye is ass as a OL coach and OL recruiter but Day won't be getting rid of him anytime soon either.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I'm still waiting for Michigan's money cannon to flip all these 5* guys, they've flipped a couple but nobody close to earth shattering outside of Underwood.

 

[ericd7633]

It is going to be hilarious when OSU wins the title this year.

 

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It is wild how delusional Ohio fans are. You realize your coaches record are that good because of the talent on your roster.

Ohio State has 14 5 star recruits on their roster this year (and 91% blue chip recruits), even with the addition of Oregon, USC, Washington and UCLA -- The rest of the 17 BIG teams combined only have 15.

The fact you don't win the B1G every year tells you how poor your coaching and development is. It also should tell you how poor Ryan Day is as a coach.

So as I said -- IF Harbaugh was handed the roster at Ohio the last 5 years -- they would have won the B1G every year and would have at least one national title, if not more.

LMAO the last 5 years. You morons were 2-4 four years ago and couldn't even beat Sparty in 2021. You embarrassed the conference in the CFP your first two years. Knock it off with this nonsense. He took over in 2015 and did nothing until 2021, and now that success is under the NCAA's microscope to see if it sticks.

 

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It is going to be hilarious when OSU wins the title this year.

As far as that goes, nothing has changed from a week ago other than Chip desperately needs to pull his head all the way out of his ass. The defense is still the best in the nation, and we still have offensive firepower when we actually use it.

 

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It is all on Day you got that right

DL development has been non existent in recent years, that's because LJsr has had the game pass him by and Day refuses to get rid of him

Frye is ass as a OL coach and OL recruiter but Day won't be getting rid of him anytime soon either.

Wouldn't be so sure about this one, especially if they move on from Chip this offseason which they absolutely should. That his dude afterall.

 

[osubuckeye89]

It is going to be hilarious when OSU wins the title this year.

IF and that's a big IF Day comes out coaching like he did against Georgia in that playoff game we might have a chance.

But in the end we will need some breaks to go our way, seems like we only have negative breaks in the big ones recently.

MHjr getting KOed and targeting reversed against Georgia

The fucking targeting that bailed Clemson out in 2019 along with the missed what shoulda been a fumble for a TD

Bama was likely going to win in 2020 anyway but Sermon going down for the game on the first drive killed us.

Settling for too many FGs also cost us vs Clemson and UGA in those games, play for fucking TDs please. Especially with this kicking unit.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Wouldn't be so sure about this one, especially if they move on from Chip this offseason which they absolutely should. That his dude afterall.

They need to move on from both. There's no reason our OL recruiting should be so mediocre.

It's like they whiff on the top guys and then don't even try to get decently high level 4* guys instead, they just go straight to the low 4*/3* well to any that will say yes. This might work if they have shown they can develop, but they have not shown that.

 

[ericd7633]

As far as that goes, nothing has changed from a week ago other than Chip desperately needs to pull his head all the way out of his ass. The defense is still the best in the nation, and we still have offensive firepower when we actually use it.

It was just a flat out choke against Michigan from the offense and ST. I still give OSU a great chance to win it. Getting 3 weeks off will help them too.

 

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They need to move on from both. There's no reason our OL recruiting should be so mediocre.

It's like they whiff on the top guys and then don't even try to get decently high level 4* guys instead, they just go straight to the low 4*/3* well to any that will say yes. This might work if they have shown they can develop, but they have not shown that.

I can't see a world where they keep Frye. He's been awful since day 1 and it's not like we risk losing any recruits because of him. There are tons of other options.