THE HATEFUL 8

[Volbound1700]

lol @this SEC bullshit.

If you're team isn't Bama, LSU or Georgia...

Kindly stfu about the titles your conference has won.

He literally said Baylor and Texas Tech are on the same level as Alabama and Georgia. I think that I made my point and I am correct. Your response is lame and frankly embarrassing. Call me conference swinger but it was in response to his stupid ass post. In no reality is the Big12 on the same level of the SEC in modern Era. Perhaps when they had Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M, etc. They could have argued that.

Texas getting punted year in and year out by Baylor, Texas Tech, etc. is the equivalent of Tennessee constantly losing to MTSU, Vandy, Kentucky, Memphis, etc. It is inexcusable. Also we don't have the in-state recruits or money Texas has, no excuse for their incompetence.

Also his comment was the middle of SEC was not better than Big12 and I disagree. Butch Jones' Tennessee teams would have won 11-12 games in Big12 and he would likely still have a job. The two Oklahomas are good and sometimes Baylor, Kansas State, and TCU but the rest of the league is not that strong.

If you took the middle of SEC right now against middle of Big12, SEC would win. In fact look at bowl games most year. You have #5 SEC team against #3 Big12 team in Cotton and SEC still wins most of the time.

 

[Volbound1700]

lol @this SEC bullshit.

If you're team isn't Bama, LSU or Georgia...

Kindly stfu about the titles your conference has won.

Also why be a sick and start shot with me when he started swinging Big12 nuts first by claiming their middle was better than SEC middle? These conversations start the same way. He brought it up first but you want to get panies in wad by saying we ride SEC nuts. Not true, I hear SEC sucks and when someone counters we are the SEC coattail riders. If you don't want to hear about SEC than stop posting shit about how the SEC sucks and we are overrated.


Also love how you conveniently left off Auburn and Florida as both teams have a title since the last time the Big12 or Pac12 can claim one.

 

[ELTEXAN]

He literally said Baylor and Texas Tech are on the same level as Alabama and Georgia. I

who said that?

 

[ELTEXAN]

Texas getting punted year in and year out by Baylor, Texas Tech, etc. is the equivalent of Tennessee constantly losing to MTSU, Vandy, Kentucky, Memphis, etc.

nah. You don’t have any crazy SEC sycophantic bias. None at all. Lmao.

 

[trojanfan12]

He literally said Baylor and Texas Tech are on the same level as Alabama and Georgia. I think that I made my point and I am correct. Your response is lame and frankly embarrassing. Call me conference swinger but it was in response to his stupid ass post. In no reality is the Big12 on the same level of the SEC in modern Era. Perhaps when they had Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M, etc. They could have argued that.

Texas getting punted year in and year out by Baylor, Texas Tech, etc. is the equivalent of Tennessee constantly losing to MTSU, Vandy, Kentucky, Memphis, etc. It is inexcusable. Also we don't have the in-state recruits or money Texas has, no excuse for their incompetence.

Also his comment was the middle of SEC was not better than Big12 and I disagree. Butch Jones' Tennessee teams would have won 11-12 games in Big12 and he would likely still have a job. The two Oklahomas are good and sometimes Baylor, Kansas State, and TCU but the rest of the league is not that strong.

If you took the middle of SEC right now against middle of Big12, SEC would win. In fact look at bowl games most year. You have #5 SEC team against #3 Big12 team in Cotton and SEC still wins most of the time.

Also why be a sick and start shot with me when he started swinging Big12 nuts first by claiming their middle was better than SEC middle? These conversations start the same way. He brought it up first but you want to get panies in wad by saying we ride SEC nuts. Not true, I hear SEC sucks and when someone counters we are the SEC coattail riders. If you don't want to hear about SEC than stop posting shit about how the SEC sucks and we are overrated.


Also love how you conveniently left off Auburn and Florida as both teams have a title since the last time the Big12 or Pac12 can claim one.

And none of this changes anything I said.

If your team is in the SEC and isn't one of the teams I mentioned, you haven't won shit. Those aren't "conference titles".

 

[Volbound1700]

And none of this changes anything I said.

If your team is in the SEC and isn't one of the teams I mentioned, you haven't won shit. Those aren't "conference titles".

You have to be kidding yourself if you think year in and year out USC and Texas have a schedule near as difficult as Tennessee's?

If Texas played Oklahoma 3x in the same season, I would agree, that is just as hard. The fact that we had to play Alabama, Florida, and Georgia every year and usually within 4-5 weeks is killer. We don't have resources of Texas and USC, we are not in a state like California or Texas with 3 to 4 times the population of Tennessee that spit out 10x the top recruits are state produces from high school football. It isn't comparable.

On top of that, our most fertile recruiting grounds have been totally dominated by Dabo Swinney at Clemson, Nick Saban at Alabama, Mark Richt and then Kirby Smart at Georgia, etc.

We also had shitty ADs and Coaches. Look at what a semi-competent AD and Coach can do this year at Tennessee. We don't even have the resources to hire the coaches that Texas or USC can pull in.

So what is Texas' excuse? They have the recruits, money, resources way beyond Tennessee. There schedule is a lot softer and yet they continue to struggle and lose to other in-state programs that live in their shadow. It isn't just even the losing (you cannot win every game and you will drop games), it is the fact that these schools have been ahead of Texas in the Big12 standings, have better records, etc.

You really beat a team when you finish ahead of them in standings.

You don't think schedule matters, I will give you two SEC programs to compare. Kentucky and Tennessee. Kentucky has won more games over last 10 years then Tennessee but Kentucky is only 2-8 against the Vols. The two best Kentucky teams, record-wise, lost to Tennessee. Who you play matters in College Football. You cannot argue anywhere that Texas plays anything like a schedule Tennessee plays. Call me SEC nut swinger all day long but that is the fact and @ELTEXAN is trying to argue that.

Also even if I remove championships, the teams that El Texan compared to the Big12 opponents have more bowl wins, more NFL prospects, and have likely beaten more ranked teams. To compare Baylor or Iowa State to an Alabama, Florida, or Georgia is laughable.

 

[Volbound1700]

who said that?

Check out post #28 and #32 in this thread for one.

 

[Volbound1700]

BTW @trojanfan12, I am not sure why you are in the argument. Sure USC has had some bad years but you haven't been embarrassingly bad like Texas or even Tennessee was in late 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2020. USC has had some bad seasons but you are not regularly getting punked by San Jose State, Stanford, Cal, etc. which is the equivalent of what Texas is doing.

Take this into account, Tennessee has been embarassing against its rivals but if you step back and look at it, the situation is not as bad as it sounds.

15-straight to Alabama, ok that is terrible. Yet Alabama is having the greatest run in Football History and has 15 straight against Arkansas, 14 straight against Mississippi State, won 13 out of 2 against Auburn and Ole Miss, is 12-3 against LSU during that period, is undefeated against Florida, etc. They were ranked #1 in every season of those 15 seasons except for the first season they beat Tennessee in 2007. Alabama also finished in top 10 every season except 2007 during that period.

Florida has consistently out recruited Tennessee during our losing stretch every year. In fact, Florida is either in the top 10 or 15 in recruiting every season during that period. They have 2 National Titles, 3 SEC Championships, and 9 SEC East Division Titles since 2006 during this *streak*. They have also finished ranked 8x during that span and were ranked at some point of the season every year in that span other than 2014.

Georgia has consistently out recruiting Tennessee during our losing stretch. They have a National Title, 3 SEC Titles, 7 Division Titles, they have finished in the top ten 8 times during that stretch. They are consistently in top 10 recruiting nearly every year during that stretch.

Tennessee has also not gotten lucky at all with our SEC West draws. We caught Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State in their best years in school history. Ole Miss last year had 10 wins in the regular season for the first time since the 1970s and they were our SEC West draw in a matchup we almost won. We had to play Miss State when they had Dak Prescott and won 11 games. We did dodge LSU in 2019 so that was relief (caught a down Miss State that year) and the 2018 matchup with Auburn was nice. We have also scheduled tough September OOC games in the past although we have moved slowly away from that the last ten years. Then again, USC and Texas also traditionally schedule tough OOC opponents as well so that is a wash.

So please tell me how the Tennessee situation is comparable to Texas? Unless you are Auburn or maybe someone in the Big Ten East, you likely don't have a tougher schedule.

I mean if you took Alabama and Florida off our schedule and gave us Mississippi State and Arkansas as regular opponents, I would say Tennessee would be on par with Texas schedule wise.

 

[Volbound1700]

nah. You don’t have any crazy SEC sycophantic bias. None at all. Lmao.

If top to bottom (as you say), the Big12 was better than the SEC than why are Big12 teams not going to playoffs, winning national titles, loading the NFL with players, etc.?

I mean look at your teams:

Oklahoma - They DESERVE to be among SEC elite teams conversation, they are an elite program. Hands down. That is one good team.

Oklahoma State - They have been solid but not the level of an Alabama, Florida, Georgia, etc. They can beat those teams on down years but not regularly. I would put them about the level of a Texas A&M. I think their performance in the SEC would be about the same as Texas A&M the past 10 years.

Kansas State - 6-6 to 8-4 team in SEC at best depending on schedule. They are physical and could upset someone but they would likely be equivalent to a Missouri in the SEC

Kansas - Do I need to comment? They could compete with Vandy most years.

Iowa State - They are pretty mediocre. Kentucky has a better record in the Matt Campbell era than Iowa State. Yet they get all this hype while Kentucky is ignored. Way over hyped team. Decent team but over hyped. Likely similar results to Kansas State.

Texas Tech - South Carolina 2.0 (or perhaps Tennessee 2.0 when we had Pruitt)

Texas - Damn this is hard one. You guys have talent but you under achieve so MUCH!!! You should be at the same level as Oklahoma but you have really been more like an Iowa State. Frankly, the best comparison on how you would perform is likely how Tennessee has performed the last 10 years which is sad as you should be at the level of Oklahoma or Georgia.

Baylor - Ole Miss is a great comparison. Baylor looks like Ole Miss in many ways. Most years they are meh but every once in a while they will have some explosive offense, etc. They would probably have done similar to Ole Miss had they played in the SEC in 2021.

TCU - They are not good. In the Kenny Hill years they would have won maybe 9 to 10 games depending on schedule but that would be the only time they would have been competitive in the SEC.

West Virginia - This is another hard one to rate. Frankly they haven't been good at all. I would say South Carolina but travel plays a big part of that.

Frankly, I feel like the Big12 is 1 Vandy (Kansas), 1 Kentucky (Iowa State), 4 South Carolinas (West Virginia, TCU, Texas Tech, Kansas State), 1 Georgia (Oklahoma), 1 Ole Miss (Baylor), 1 Texas A&M (Oklahoma State), and 1 Tennessee (Texas).

Sorry, not top to bottom better than SEC. Out of that lot, only Oklahoma would even have a shot at winning an SEC title in the last 10-15 years.

 

[Deep Creek]

TCU - They are not good. In the Kenny Hill years they would have won maybe 9 to 10 games depending on schedule but that would be the only time they would have been competitive in the SEC.

TCU was better in the Dalton and Boykin era than the Kenny Hill days. Much better in fact.

 

[trojanfan12]

You have to be kidding yourself if you think year in and year out USC and Texas have a schedule near as difficult as Tennessee's?

If Texas played Oklahoma 3x in the same season, I would agree, that is just as hard. The fact that we had to play Alabama, Florida, and Georgia every year and usually within 4-5 weeks is killer. We don't have resources of Texas and USC, we are not in a state like California or Texas with 3 to 4 times the population of Tennessee that spit out 10x the top recruits are state produces from high school football. It isn't comparable.

On top of that, our most fertile recruiting grounds have been totally dominated by Dabo Swinney at Clemson, Nick Saban at Alabama, Mark Richt and then Kirby Smart at Georgia, etc.

We also had shitty ADs and Coaches. Look at what a semi-competent AD and Coach can do this year at Tennessee. We don't even have the resources to hire the coaches that Texas or USC can pull in.

So what is Texas' excuse? They have the recruits, money, resources way beyond Tennessee. There schedule is a lot softer and yet they continue to struggle and lose to other in-state programs that live in their shadow. It isn't just even the losing (you cannot win every game and you will drop games), it is the fact that these schools have been ahead of Texas in the Big12 standings, have better records, etc.

You really beat a team when you finish ahead of them in standings.

You don't think schedule matters, I will give you two SEC programs to compare. Kentucky and Tennessee. Kentucky has won more games over last 10 years then Tennessee but Kentucky is only 2-8 against the Vols. The two best Kentucky teams, record-wise, lost to Tennessee. Who you play matters in College Football. You cannot argue anywhere that Texas plays anything like a schedule Tennessee plays. Call me SEC nut swinger all day long but that is the fact and @ELTEXAN is trying to argue that.

Also even if I remove championships, the teams that El Texan compared to the Big12 opponents have more bowl wins, more NFL prospects, and have likely beaten more ranked teams. To compare Baylor or Iowa State to an Alabama, Florida, or Georgia is laughable.

Why are you trying to deflect?

This isn't about anyones strength of schedule. This about SEC also rans, has beens and never was's somehow thinking they get some kind of extra credit because of the success of 3 programs.

 

[trojanfan12]

BTW @trojanfan12, I am not sure why you are in the argument. Sure USC has had some bad years but you haven't been embarrassingly bad like Texas or even Tennessee was in late 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2020. USC has had some bad seasons but you are not regularly getting punked by San Jose State, Stanford, Cal, etc. which is the equivalent of what Texas is doing.

Take this into account, Tennessee has been embarassing against its rivals but if you step back and look at it, the situation is not as bad as it sounds.

15-straight to Alabama, ok that is terrible. Yet Alabama is having the greatest run in Football History and has 15 straight against Arkansas, 14 straight against Mississippi State, won 13 out of 2 against Auburn and Ole Miss, is 12-3 against LSU during that period, is undefeated against Florida, etc. They were ranked #1 in every season of those 15 seasons except for the first season they beat Tennessee in 2007. Alabama also finished in top 10 every season except 2007 during that period.

Florida has consistently out recruited Tennessee during our losing stretch every year. In fact, Florida is either in the top 10 or 15 in recruiting every season during that period. They have 2 National Titles, 3 SEC Championships, and 9 SEC East Division Titles since 2006 during this *streak*. They have also finished ranked 8x during that span and were ranked at some point of the season every year in that span other than 2014.

Georgia has consistently out recruiting Tennessee during our losing stretch. They have a National Title, 3 SEC Titles, 7 Division Titles, they have finished in the top ten 8 times during that stretch. They are consistently in top 10 recruiting nearly every year during that stretch.

Tennessee has also not gotten lucky at all with our SEC West draws. We caught Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State in their best years in school history. Ole Miss last year had 10 wins in the regular season for the first time since the 1970s and they were our SEC West draw in a matchup we almost won. We had to play Miss State when they had Dak Prescott and won 11 games. We did dodge LSU in 2019 so that was relief (caught a down Miss State that year) and the 2018 matchup with Auburn was nice. We have also scheduled tough September OOC games in the past although we have moved slowly away from that the last ten years. Then again, USC and Texas also traditionally schedule tough OOC opponents as well so that is a wash.

So please tell me how the Tennessee situation is comparable to Texas? Unless you are Auburn or maybe someone in the Big Ten East, you likely don't have a tougher schedule.

I mean if you took Alabama and Florida off our schedule and gave us Mississippi State and Arkansas as regular opponents, I would say Tennessee would be on par with Texas schedule wise.

I'm in it because conference nutsack riding is both gay and embarrassing, so I'm pointing it out as a public service announcement for those of you doing it.

You can say what you want about the PAC, but during the Pete Carroll era, they weren't trying to ride USC's nutsack and pretend they get some kind of credit for USC's success.

You're welcome.

 

[Volbound1700]

I'm in it because conference nutsack riding is both gay and embarrassing, so I'm pointing it out as a public service announcement for those of you doing it.

You can say what you want about the PAC, but during the Pete Carroll era, they weren't trying to ride USC's nutsack and pretend they get some kind of credit for USC's success.

You're welcome.

I am not Conference Nut Swinging, if anything get on to @ELTEXAN, he started this shit with post #18. GO READ SHIT BEFORE YOU POST. You have a brain, use it. Stop being a jack ass and picking on me.

His words "Big12 top to bottom is better than SEC", "Big12 Middle is better than SEC middle". It is not Conference Nut Swinging to counter someone's dumb posts.

Also the entire conference nut swinging argument is lame because it shows you guys have no argument against my points. Even if you took Alabama out, SEC still the most dominant league last 5 years.

 

[trojanfan12]

I am not Conference Nut Swinging, if anything get on to @ELTEXAN, he started this shit with post #18. GO READ SHIT BEFORE YOU POST. You have a brain, use it. Stop being a jack ass and picking on me.

His words "Big12 top to bottom is better than SEC", "Big12 Middle is better than SEC middle". It is not Conference Nut Swinging to counter someone's dumb posts.

Also the entire conference nut swinging argument is lame because it shows you guys have no argument against my points. Even if you took Alabama out, SEC still the most dominant league last 5 years.

Anytime you go to "How many NC's does your conference have?" You are nutswinging.

Sorry, I don't make the rules. Just point them out.

 

[Volbound1700]

Anytime you go to "How many NC's does your conference have?" You are nutswinging.

Sorry, I don't make the rules. Just point them out.

As stated, I did not draw first blood here. Also, I am a nut swinger, I don't care. If you don't think that impacted Tennessee's performance the last 15 years than you are delusional. We have to be a top 10 team, literally, to beat our rivals. Even a 15-30 ranked team won't beat our rivals. That is not true in most other leagues or with most other programs.

I find it lame when people call out the SEC in the first place.

 

[trojanfan12]

I find it lame when people call out the SEC in the first place.

And people find SEC nutswinging lame which is why they get called out for it.

No nutswinging, no getting called out.

See how that works?

 

[Volbound1700]

And people find SEC nutswinging lame which is why they get called out for it.

No nutswinging, no getting called out.

See how that works?

You (and this really isn't direct at you) don't like it then don't start arguments you can't win. People will stop "nut swinging" when people stop talking shit about SEC. It is that easy.

In fact, it doesn't matter what team you cheer for, facts are facts. I could say that I am a generic CFB fan of team A and point out SEC has more titles which translate to stronger league.

 

[trojanfan12]

You (and this really isn't direct at you) don't like it then don't start arguments you can't win.

Seems like I'm doing just fine in winning this one. I'm not the one who's all defensive.

People will stop "nut swinging" when people stop talking shit about SEC. It is that easy.

Uh, hate to break it to you, but the conference nutswinging among SEC also rans started first. So again, don't nutswing, don't get called out for it.

In fact, it doesn't matter what team you cheer for, facts are facts. I could say that I am a generic CFB fan of team A and point out SEC has more titles which translate to stronger league.

Thinking that having a couple of teams who manage to win NC's somehow makes the rest of the conference better is pants on head stupid. Those teams are kicking your ass, just like they're kick everyone else's.

 

[78Cyclones]

If top to bottom (as you say), the Big12 was better than the SEC than why are Big12 teams not going to playoffs, winning national titles, loading the NFL with players, etc.?

I mean look at your teams:

Iowa State - They are pretty mediocre. Kentucky has a better record in the Matt Campbell era than Iowa State. Yet they get all this hype while Kentucky is ignored. Way over hyped team. Decent team but over hyped. Likely similar results to Kansas State.

I think this is fair. Kentucky has done incredible things under Stoops including two solid Citrus Bowl wins over Penn State and Iowa. I have no idea what it would take for Kentucky to navigate the East and Georgia let alone Alabama or the bad ass team that wins the West instead of Alabama.

By comparison, while they didn't win the Trophy, Iowa State had the best record in the Big Xii in 2020 (8-1 in the regular season and 8-2 after losing to OU in the Big Xii Championship Game). There is not a universe deep enough for Iowa State to have the best record in the S.E.C. in any year ever.

OU is OU, and they are a tough, tough nut. Campbell has been fortunate to beat them twice, and the other games have been slobberknockers too. Sucked in 2020 that after beating them in Ames, they lost the rematch in Arlington, but "them's the breaks." I look for another close tussle @ JTS on 10/29.

As for Texas, ISU currently has a 3 game winning streak over the Longhorns, but they are not a measuring stick in the Big Xii to me. After OU - Baylor and OSU are the teams to beat. I'd say, ISU has been the 4th best team in the Big Xii overall since Campbell took over. Been an upper half team the past 5 years.

This year might be dicey though, as ISU just lost to Baylor. The thing about the Big Xii is that KU has been the only layup (pun intended), but that is changing too! This week, ISU is looking at the blue and red beast @ Kansas (4-0)! ISU has won 7 in a row over KU, but #8 is going to be a little tougher than normal!

Let's Go State!

 

[ELTEXAN]

I am not Conference Nut Swinging, if anything get on to @ELTEXAN, he started this shit with post #18. GO READ SHIT BEFORE YOU POST. You have a brain, use it. Stop being a jack ass and picking on me.

His words "Big12 top to bottom is better than SEC", "Big12 Middle is better than SEC middle". It is not Conference Nut Swinging to counter someone's dumb posts.

Also the entire conference nut swinging argument is lame because it shows you guys have no argument against my points. Even if you took Alabama out, SEC still the most dominant league last 5 years.

I started it, child? You started it in post 4, you dumb kid. It’s literally there in black n white. What a dunce fuck