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What... the fuck? WHEN did I ever say Davis was connected to Alabama?! All three of the assholes were there and participated in the shooting.

Asshole #1 - Davis: buddy of Miles, used Miles's gun to shoot a girl in the face, because she wouldn't give her number to him

Asshole #2 - Miles: link between the shooter and Miller. He called and specifically asked for his gun, which Miller claims he didn't know Miles had left in his car.

Asshole #3 - Miller: teammate of Miles, dropped him off at the club, and in the middle of picking him up, was told to bring him his gun... which surprisingly, it turned out Miles had stashed in his car(?). "Was not there that evening, and had only just returned when it happened" ? How about, his car took two bullets!? The dueling narratives of Miller's-car-blocked-in-Harris's versus Harris-pulled-up-in-back-of-Miller's-immediately cannot be reconciled, until you remember that Miles had enough time to get his gun and fire the fatal shots.

It's a shitty story, and the coach should've known & acted better. Obviously, Miles knew the club was dangerous and wanted his gun near, just in case. Miller apparently went hours between innocently ferrying multiple groups of friends, having a quiet dinner alone at a restaurant and what- meditation in the Christian Science Reading Room, and doesn't know what's going on in his own car? But of course, all this revolves around pretending there aren't text messages from Miles specifically telling him to bring him his gun.

It's difficult to see the difference between Miles and Miller. Both men were responsible for putting the gun in the killer's hand. If Miller's not an accessory to murder, then he's a victim, and he should be filing charges against Harris's boyfriend and Davis.
Since you dont know where he was in between times I am assuming you are listening to the masses and not reading for yourself. I will leave you to your opinion, since you are shy on some of the facts.
 
So you are trying to say there is no way a DA treats people differently for different reasons? I have seen our local DA not charge people for an assortment of reasons, and many were questionable at best. Its possible. Look how fucking blind this bama fan is to his beloved player that had no knowledge of anything, and all things pointing to involvement are easily dismissed.

Im not saying its true, Im saying its possible.
I think you need to Google “University of Alabama The Machine” and learn about seedy politics have been in this state and how there is a network to manipulate shit. It ain’t all about the University either. When it comes to stuff like this especially in Tuscaloosa proper what the Machine wants it would get.
I have a son that is about to graduate from Alabama ... I know what The Machine is, and as a lawyer, I get that DAs can be influenced by politics, etc. I simply don't think that they would do this for a murder charge that they knew would get this level of scrutiny. DUIs, weed, fighting, hell, even beating a girlfriend ... I can see those types of things might get swept under the carpet. But not murder. Too much is at stake, and there is too much scrutiny.

As for taking sides, I won't. Both sides of this don't have the requisite knowledge. That being said, the side arguing Bama did the wrong thing has had its position eroded more by the facts that have subsequently come out than the Bama side. I am not taking sides for that very reason - I don't have enough knowledge.
 
They are never going to bring charges because it’s the biggest star basketball player in Alabama history and it’s a Tuscaloosa DA.

Quit pretending you know the law when you actually don’t. If you knew shit then you would know the DA has complete discretion on if he charges the kid or not and it would be political suicide for him to do so.

You could not be more wrong in your BS.
Ah, but I do know the DA has complete discretion. I also know that in order to do so you must have rock solid evidence to bring charges in a manner of charging as an accessory to a crime. In order to do so certain elements must exist, one of which is intent. Even you, as smart as you want to pretend you are, should be able to read the law and see that intent is very important, and the burden of proof is on the prosecutor, not the defense or accused. How would you prove intent? Being the legal mind you think you are.
 

“It’s just unimaginable, and it’s like his life is just going on,” Cotton said on Thursday. “He took a brief pause and it didn’t stop. It’s like, OK, slap on the wrist and go play ball.”

Cotton added, “They’re worried about his career, but what about this 5-year-old boy (Harris’ son, Kaine)? He’s the true victim in all this. He won’t have a mother anymore to influence his growing up and who he’s going to be.”


@BandwagonBo2 I hope you get the opportunity to tell that 5-year old little boy of how great a player Miller is and how you’re convinced he was not an accessory to the murder of his mother.
Since I have only seen him play once or twice, I would not really know how great a player he is. What I do know is, basing charges on feelings is a sure way to lose a case. Evidence is a good way, its been done for thousands of years and when evidence is strong, they get a conviction most of the time.
 
Since you dont know where he was in between times I am assuming you are listening to the masses and not reading for yourself. I will leave you to your opinion, since you are shy on some of the facts.
Hey you're the one making strawman claims that anyone said Davis was an Alabama guy.

Please tell me more of the fiction where text messages, specifically telling Miller to bring Miles his gun, mean that Miller had no idea about the gun. You realize that both the coach and AD have now admitted they were unaware of the texts, and apologized? What's your excuse?
 
Hey you're the one making strawman claims that anyone said Davis was an Alabama guy.

Please tell me more of the fiction where text messages, specifically telling Miller to bring Miles his gun, mean that Miller had no idea about the gun. You realize that both the coach and AD have now admitted they were unaware of the texts, and apologized? What's your excuse?
I am aware. As for your diatribe, you posted a picture showing two people. Neither of which was the one who pulled the trigger. One of which the gun belonged to, and one of which had no knowledge of the gun being in his car until he got the text message around the time he was pulling up to the club. Its been stated that is what happened in more than one article, perhaps you missed those in the ones you read.

As for the coach and AD, they are not privileged to all information the police and lawyers are, so why should they know about the totality of all text messages until informed either by Miller, law enforcement, or the lawyer for Miller. It seems you are still not getting that just because Miller showed back up with the intention of picking up his old teammate, that he even knew a gun was present in his car until he got the text message. Even still, it legally belonged to Miles, and Miller still could not have known one thing about any altercation that had happened until he returned. As has been stated in numerous articles, Millers actions once he arrived on scene are all on camera and the police have had one month to review all video evidence, stories from witnesses, phone texts and calls, and any other pertinent evidence. A judge was briefed on all evidence as well as the DA, and only charges were filed on two people as of now.

Whether that entails more charges later on or not is yet to be seen, but you cannot simply charge someone for something without proof they committed a crime.
 
You haven't heard anything from the prosecution about "unable to find a timeline". The only one talking is the defense attorney, because they are the only ones that can talk.
If the cops had a timeline that showed, or evidence they could charge him with a crime, they would do so. To think they would not in a murder case is shear ignorance of the highest order.
 
I have a son that is about to graduate from Alabama ... I know what The Machine is, and as a lawyer, I get that DAs can be influenced by politics, etc. I simply don't think that they would do this for a murder charge that they knew would get this level of scrutiny. DUIs, weed, fighting, hell, even beating a girlfriend ... I can see those types of things might get swept under the carpet. But not murder. Too much is at stake, and there is too much scrutiny.

As for taking sides, I won't. Both sides of this don't have the requisite knowledge. That being said, the side arguing Bama did the wrong thing has had its position eroded more by the facts that have subsequently come out than the Bama side. I am not taking sides for that very reason - I don't have enough knowledge.
Well, I think it's telling they are saying there is nothing in the law that allows them to charge Miller but we all know they could definitely charge him as an accessory per the law.

Note they aren't saying we are reviewing the incident to see if there is enough evidence to support an accessory charge, they are saying they CAN'T charge him because the law doesn't allow it.

That does not pass the smell test.
 
Ah, but I do know the DA has complete discretion. I also know that in order to do so you must have rock solid evidence to bring charges in a manner of charging as an accessory to a crime. In order to do so certain elements must exist, one of which is intent. Even you, as smart as you want to pretend you are, should be able to read the law and see that intent is very important, and the burden of proof is on the prosecutor, not the defense or accused. How would you prove intent? Being the legal mind you think you are.
It was his gun.
He brought it to the scene.
There were text messages about the gun.

The evidence is there sport to charge the desire just isn't there.

@Mofo is right you are building one massive Strawman to make yourself feel smart and failing miserably.
 
I would like to point out that I am impressed by all the other Bama posters staying away from this thread and appreciate the fact that they aren't in here trying to defend this scumbag.

I have respect for those guys because they at least have scruples that make them uncomfortable about this situation and that gives me hope.
 
I am aware. As for your diatribe, you posted a picture showing two people. Neither of which was the one who pulled the trigger. One of which the gun belonged to, and one of which had no knowledge of the gun being in his car until he got the text message around the time he was pulling up to the club. Its been stated that is what happened in more than one article, perhaps you missed those in the ones you read.
I wrote, "Asshole #1 is Davis. His teammate, the guy who who had Miller give him his gun, is this guy, Miles. HE is Asshole #2:" and posted a picture, circling Miles. You got all pissy, for some reason, and angrily felt the need to try to 'correct' me that Davis didn't go to Alabama, and was merely an acquaintance of Miles. No one is alleging that Miller or even Miles, is the shooter. That they were complicit in the crime, is a reasonable suspicion though.
As for the coach and AD, they are not privileged to all information the police and lawyers are, so why should they know about the totality of all text messages until informed either by Miller, law enforcement, or the lawyer for Miller.
The narrative had been: only Davis and Miles had lied to authorities, and Miller had been forthright and honest from the beginning, telling the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth. The coach and AD then decided to keep Miller on the team and maintain his eligibility, despite consorting with the sort of people who would get into a fight at a club and shoot a woman in the face.
It seems you are still not getting that just because Miller showed back up with the intention of picking up his old teammate, that he even knew a gun was present in his car until he got the text message. Even still, it legally belonged to Miles, and Miller still could not have known one thing about any altercation that had happened until he returned. As has been stated in numerous articles, Millers actions once he arrived on scene are all on camera and the police have had one month to review all video evidence, stories from witnesses, phone texts and calls, and any other pertinent evidence.
...except there are text messages with instructions from Miles to Miller, asking for the gun. Miller doesn't say no, or question the circumstances. He just delivers the gun to Miles, who then gives it to Davis who then shoots a woman in the face.
A judge was briefed on all evidence as well as the DA, and only charges were filed on two people as of now.
What does the judge have to do with it? I wasn't aware the case had even gone to trial or that a judge's examination of evidence was necessary for charges to be filed.
Whether that entails more charges later on or not is yet to be seen, but you cannot simply charge someone for something without proof they committed a crime.
So... you think there are circumstances where Miller delivering a gun to someone to use in a shooting, and lying to police about knowing it was in his car, are acceptable?
 
this is when I knew @BandwagonBo2 was a water-carrying apologist that is going to twist anything he can in order to defend Bama. When you have a 5 star recruit who was the #9 ranked prospect, McDonalds all American, and projected to be a one-and-done lotto pick on your team and you claim "he wasn't a star" then you have lost any and all credibility.

Bama was hoping this would all stay a little local issue. They tried to claim Miles wasn't with the team directly after the shooting because of "an injury". Then police records were reported on and he was dismissed from the team. Now they are doing all they can to protect the best player to suit up for Tide basketball. Last thing that school needs is someone making shit up to white-knight for them, but I guess everyone needs a hobby.
So every player who was all of the things you mentioned has turned out to be a star player in the history of college basketball, or football, or baseball, or any sport for that matter?

I get that you need someone to blame a person for having a differing opinion to yours on a subject, and wish to ridicule someone who thinks freely for themselves. I also see you complain when others try to pigeon hole you and claim you are a camp follower and not a free thinker, whether its in sports or politics, etc. So I will forgive you for not allowing me to have an opinion on this. To think I know a ton about Basketball is a failure on anyone who thinks that. I know very little, but I do know that Brandon Miller was just starting to come on early December, into January as a major force. I have friends who are big Basketball fans and they have stated he had promise, but was not a carrying force like he has become of late. As was noted previously, not everyone that has come into college sports with credentials has panned out to be a star. Sometimes its coaching, sometimes its scouting, sometimes its the player and his desire to do what is needed for growth at the next level. So please spare me his credentials coming into the season. What Bama got was a stud horse, but one with judgement issues it seems.
 
I wrote, "Asshole #1 is Davis. His teammate, the guy who who had Miller give him his gun, is this guy, Miles. HE is Asshole #2:" and posted a picture, circling Miles. You got all pissy, for some reason, and angrily felt the need to try to 'correct' me that Davis didn't go to Alabama, and was merely an acquaintance of Miles. No one is alleging that Miller or even Miles, is the shooter. That they were complicit in the crime, is a reasonable suspicion though.
I didnt understand your comments apparently. We can end this line of debate.
The narrative had been: only Davis and Miles had lied to authorities, and Miller had been forthright and honest from the beginning, telling the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth. The coach and AD then decided to keep Miller on the team and maintain his eligibility, despite consorting with the sort of people who would get into a fight at a club and shoot a woman in the face.
Ah, so he is not allowed to drive a person who was his teammate to a club? I dont know how Davis comes into the picture as I have not read much on his other than he is not a student at Alabama, is from Maryland originally I seem to remember, and knows Miles in some way.
...except there are text messages with instructions from Miles to Miller, asking for the gun. Miller doesn't say no, or question the circumstances. He just delivers the gun to Miles, who then gives it to Davis who then shoots a woman in the face.
In fact, he didnt respond to the text message at all, showing nothing other than Miles texted him with no response from Miller. What Miller was doing at the club was returning to pick up his teammate as he had earlier stated he would be doing. Now te3ll me, how do you as a lawyer, show intent of someone if the person doesnt say anything or respond in any way to a text? Simply showing back up doesnt say he even read the text by that point. I myself sometimes go hours without responding to text messages or even reading them, because I do not know I have gotten a message due to having my phone on silent and not being with it, or being in my vehicle and listening to music while driving. Proving someone read a text message is a tall order unless they have the read notification turned on on the phone. So how would you show intent?
What does the judge have to do with it? I wasn't aware the case had even gone to trial or that a judge's examination of evidence was necessary for charges to be filed.
This excerpt says what a judge has to do with it.
"A judge ruled Tuesday that there was enough evidence to indict Miles and Davis on charges of capital murder."
So... you think there are circumstances where Miller delivering a gun to someone to use in a shooting, and lying to police about knowing it was in his car, are acceptable?
Do you know its a lie for a fact, or simply saying it because that's what you believe? This might help you to see the investigators have spoken with Miller endlessly so far.

"Miller has conducted multiple interviews with investigators and has voluntarily granted them access to his phone and his vehicle, according to his attorney, but he so far has been treated like a witness."

I would think maybe they have a better idea of what or who Miller is in connection with this than you or I, would you agree?
 
It was his gun.
He brought it to the scene.
There were text messages about the gun.

The evidence is there sport to charge the desire just isn't there.

@Mofo is right you are building one massive Strawman to make yourself feel smart and failing miserably.
Lets be clear on this. Whose gun was it?
When did the text message get sent to Miller about the gun? While he was in route to the club or long before? You seem sure about this so I want you to answer this.
As for evidence to charge, do you honestly think a DA would not charge a person in a murder case simply because they are a star player? Thats some next level conspiracy theory shit if you think that.
 
True. You and I and maybe even the police cannot prove either way if Miller had intent.
So he's innocent until proven guilty
Not in the eyes of message board DA's. You and I both agree its innocent until proven guilty, but some on here want to assign guilt with nothing more than innuendo and secret email group messages that amount to nothing more than bullshit meant to incite .
 
I would like to point out that I am impressed by all the other Bama posters staying away from this thread and appreciate the fact that they aren't in here trying to defend this scumbag.

I have respect for those guys because they at least have scruples that make them uncomfortable about this situation and that gives me hope.
When have I stated I am not uncomfortable about this situation? I can argue points while still being a bit uneasy about it. A woman lost her life and that in and of itself is troubling. He child will forever be without his mother, that too is troubling. While I can sit and point out all sorts of things troubling about this, the one I find most troubling is the presumption of guilt thrown one someone without any evidence to prove such guilt at this point. As another poster stated, innocent until proven guilty is how this country is supposed to work, but in the world of message boards that guilt is assigned immediately. I harken back to the days of Cam Newton and the endless postings about his guilt by posters and the Barnies defending to his last days and even beyond. Nothing ever came of it, though stories still exist he took the money and Auburn gladly handed it over. No one really knows except the parties involved, but the message boards lit up and still do over the stories from time to time. Guilty until proven innocent is how message boards work, no our legal system. Maybe you should remember that for next time.
 
I didnt understand your comments apparently. We can end this line of debate.
Perhaps. When you can agree they're all assholes.
Ah, so he is not allowed to drive a person who was his teammate to a club? I dont know how Davis comes into the picture as I have not read much on his other than he is not a student at Alabama, is from Maryland originally I seem to remember, and knows Miles in some way.
What's your deal in thinking that Miller should be fine with someone having him ferry guns (to a club)? Davis is Miles's friend. Miller was told by Miles to bring his (Miles's) gun to him. If Davis had somehow taken Miles's gun from him, without his permission, to shoot a woman in the face, then maybe Miles and Miller have a defense. But Miller brings it to a crime scene.
In fact, he didnt respond to the text message at all, showing nothing other than Miles texted him with no response from Miller. What Miller was doing at the club was returning to pick up his teammate as he had earlier stated he would be doing. Now te3ll me, how do you as a lawyer, show intent of someone if the person doesnt say anything or respond in any way to a text? Simply showing back up doesnt say he even read the text by that point. I myself sometimes go hours without responding to text messages or even reading them, because I do not know I have gotten a message due to having my phone on silent and not being with it, or being in my vehicle and listening to music while driving. Proving someone read a text message is a tall order unless they have the read notification turned on on the phone. So how would you show intent?
Too bad Miller already lied about knowing the gun was in the car then, when the police questioned him. While that's a matter for a prosecutor and maybe jury to decide, it was more than enough information for a coach and AD to at least suspend him from the team.

As for 'intent'?! He brought him the damn gun. It made it from Miller's car, to Miles's hands, to Davis. Oh, and then Miller lied to the cops about knowing the gun was in his car. Even if that was true initially, it sure wasn't after the text was received. The message he got wasn't, "pick me up at the entrance to the club", it was to come to a specific street corner where the fight was. All three men were in the car, just before they get out and Davis fires into the other car, striking a woman in the face.
This excerpt says what a judge has to do with it.
"A judge ruled Tuesday that there was enough evidence to indict Miles and Davis on charges of capital murder."
Ahhh, but you said "a judge was briefed on all evidence". Do you honestly think he was ruling on whether charges should or should not have been filed against Miller??
Do you know its a lie for a fact, or simply saying it because that's what you believe? This might help you to see the investigators have spoken with Miller endlessly so far.

"Miller has conducted multiple interviews with investigators and has voluntarily granted them access to his phone and his vehicle, according to his attorney, but he so far has been treated like a witness."

I would think maybe they have a better idea of what or who Miller is in connection with this than you or I, would you agree?
Not necessarily. It's entirely possible that a star athlete is being protected because of the notoriety he could bring to his school in the NCAA tournament and probable NBA draft. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
Lets be clear on this. Whose gun was it?
When did the text message get sent to Miller about the gun? While he was in route to the club or long before? You seem sure about this so I want you to answer this.
As for evidence to charge, do you honestly think a DA would not charge a person in a murder case simply because they are a star player? Thats some next level conspiracy theory shit if you think that.
Ok so now you are on it wasn't Miller's gun.

Here are the texts:


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Ok so now you are on it wasn't Miller's gun.

Here are the texts:


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So you are claiming the gun belongs to Miller? Was owned by Miller? I want you to be clear on this, so tell me exactly what you are claiming.
 
So you are claiming the gun belongs to Miller? Was owned by Miller? I want you to be clear on this, so tell me exactly what you are claiming.
Owned? No. But it was in Miller's possession. And he knew he was bringing it to a dangerous scene.

He lied to police about knowing it was in his car. That bit can never really be reconciled.
 
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