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[BandwagonBo2]

The text asking him to bring the gun would show intent. The only comment we have had on that timeline is from the defense attorney.

you mean the text that he got as he was pulling up to the strip where the clubs were? How does Miles asking Miller to bring his gun show Millers intent? Does Miller know at that point what the gun is being used for? Does he know that Miles is going to give the gun to Davis?

You see, I am not even an attorney and can come up with questions to throw doubt into someone's mind as to if Miller knew anything about the altercation happening at that very moment.

 

[Thiefery]

you mean the text that he got as he was pulling up to the strip where the clubs were? How does Miles asking Miller to bring his gun show Millers intent? Does Miller know at that point what the gun is being used for? Does he know that Miles is going to give the gun to Davis?

You see, I am not even an attorney and can come up with questions to throw doubt into someone's mind as to if Miller knew anything about the altercation happening at that very moment.

 

[fordman84]

you mean the text that he got as he was pulling up to the strip where the clubs were? How does Miles asking Miller to bring his gun show Millers intent? Does Miller know at that point what the gun is being used for? Does he know that Miles is going to give the gun to Davis?

You see, I am not even an attorney and can come up with questions to throw doubt into someone's mind as to if Miller knew anything about the altercation happening at that very moment.

You are repeating the defense lawyers timeline.

 

[fordman84]

If the timeline doesn't match up, it will be found out. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out where he was when the text came in. Won't be something that can be done on short notice though. Need to get cell records to see what towers he was nearest. If he really was driving for an hour or whatever the lawyer claims, the towers will corroborate it.

 

[Thiefery]

If the timeline doesn't match up, it will be found out. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out where he was when the text came in. Won't be something that can be done on short notice though. Need to get cell records to see what towers he was nearest. If he really was driving for an hour or whatever the lawyer claims, the towers will corroborate it.

yeah, theres so much press that the state is going to step in

 

[fordman84]

yeah, theres so much press that the state is going to step in

And these three sound like complete morons anyways, they will keep talking until they kill their own defense.

 

[fordman84]

Is it possible to place wagers on if charges are brought against Brandon Miller before or after April 4th?

 

[Wild Turkey]

Now tell me if I am wrong, but if a lawyer makes a false statement, is that not grounds for disbarment? If the evidence can clearly show otherwise, he could lose his ability to practice law? Sounds like a risky thing to do, would you not agree?

I have stood in a courtroom and listened to an attorney absolutely lie about me (basically I made a clerical error in a contract that didn't even matter and the attorney was trying to make the case that it showed unequivocal proof I was committing fraud). Afterward, I turned to our attorney and said that was BS and his comment was "that was his version of the truth as he saw it".

So yeah they are skilled enough to twist anything they want and there ain't shit you can do.

If you want a professional's opinion here you go:

An informal opinion from an Alabama District Attorney​ ​

From an unnamed Alabama DA: Okay I’m reading AL.com where the Tuscaloosa deputy DA said there wasn’t anything to charge Brandon Miller with, and based on the facts revealed so far, I think they’re wrong. I think you could charge Miller under the theory of being an accessory. The law states you are accountable for the behavior of another if you have the intent to assist their commission of an offense and do anything to aid or abet them. He was asked to bring a gun and he did. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t know what the gun was going to be used for-but realistically he knew whatever ensued would likely be unlawful. He’s responsible for any crime that gets committed in those circumstances. I’d love to know what he was told when asked to bring the gun, but it doesn’t matter if he thought it was a robbery or something else. You don’t get to phone a friend for a gun and claim self-defense, that’s not how it works. So there’s no legal excuse for bringing the gun. I think it would be the same with Jaden Bradley too. Even though he didn’t bring the gun, he was parked there blocking the road so they couldn’t leave. Stopping them from getting away is rendering aid. I don’t see how they can say there’s nothing they can be charged with, but especially Miller. I would love to give the benefit of the doubt and say maybe they didn’t charge him because he’s being helpful in working with the police, but I don’t think that’s true.​

 

[Thiefery]

Bro this guy had a dash cam inside his car too?? LOL man... the info gets better as the days go by smh

 

[MarkOU]

If Miller was white and/or bench player he'd be off the team.

 

[BandwagonBo2]

I have stood in a courtroom and listened to an attorney absolutely lie about me (basically I made a clerical error in a contract that didn't even matter and the attorney was trying to make the case that it showed unequivocal proof I was committing fraud). Afterward, I turned to our attorney and said that was BS and his comment was "that was his version of the truth as he saw it".

So yeah they are skilled enough to twist anything they want and there ain't shit you can do.

If you want a professional's opinion here you go:

​

​ An informal opinion from an Alabama District Attorney​

​

​ From an unnamed Alabama DA: Okay I’m reading AL.com where the Tuscaloosa deputy DA said there wasn’t anything to charge Brandon Miller with, and based on the facts revealed so far, I think they’re wrong. I think you could charge Miller under the theory of being an accessory. The law states you are accountable for the behavior of another if you have the intent to assist their commission of an offense and do anything to aid or abet them. He was asked to bring a gun and he did. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t know what the gun was going to be used for-but realistically he knew whatever ensued would likely be unlawful. He’s responsible for any crime that gets committed in those circumstances. I’d love to know what he was told when asked to bring the gun, but it doesn’t matter if he thought it was a robbery or something else. You don’t get to phone a friend for a gun and claim self-defense, that’s not how it works. So there’s no legal excuse for bringing the gun. I think it would be the same with Jaden Bradley too. Even though he didn’t bring the gun, he was parked there blocking the road so they couldn’t leave. Stopping them from getting away is rendering aid. I don’t see how they can say there’s nothing they can be charged with, but especially Miller. I would love to give the benefit of the doubt and say maybe they didn’t charge him because he’s being helpful in working with the police, but I don’t think that’s true.​

Post the source of this so called response. I am curious where you found this, since a search yields nothings like that.

Intent goes a long way on the accessory law. And the last line of that law is pretty telling.

"The State has the burden of proof. The burden does not shift to the defendant."

Since the timeline has been established and several accounts I have read showed that the text did not come in until he was already there and parked, the bring my gun text was null at that point, because he was already there or on his way. Accounts of that are sketchy. But the following snip from a yahoo article shows they dont feel that Miller had intent or they can prove he had intent to be involved.

Asked Tuesday by AL.com why Miller hasn’t been charged with a crime, Tuscaloosa chief assistant district attorney Paula Whitley said, “There’s nothing we could charge him with.” Legal experts told Yahoo Sports on Wednesday that statement suggests Whitley and her colleagues lack sufficient evidence to prove that Miller intended to assist in a crime.

“They’re saying they don’t have any evidence that he knew what the gun would be used for,” said Philip Holloway, a Georgia criminal defense attorney who has been following the case. “They would have to prove that when he provided the gun to the third party, he was knowingly participating in some kind of criminal act. If he didn’t know that, and there was nothing else illegal about the transfer of that weapon, then there’s no crime.”

 

[BandwagonBo2]

You are repeating the defense lawyers timeline.

Apparently the DA's office doesnt feel they have enough to go on either, and they have had a month to investigate this with phone records from the first days of the investigation.

Asked Tuesday by AL.com why Miller hasn’t been charged with a crime, Tuscaloosa chief assistant district attorney Paula Whitley said, “There’s nothing we could charge him with.” Legal experts told Yahoo Sports on Wednesday that statement suggests Whitley and her colleagues lack sufficient evidence to prove that Miller intended to assist in a crime.

“They’re saying they don’t have any evidence that he knew what the gun would be used for,” said Philip Holloway, a Georgia criminal defense attorney who has been following the case. “They would have to prove that when he provided the gun to the third party, he was knowingly participating in some kind of criminal act. If he didn’t know that, and there was nothing else illegal about the transfer of that weapon, then there’s no crime.”

 

[Mofo]

you mean the text that he got as he was pulling up to the strip where the clubs were? How does Miles asking Miller to bring his gun show Millers intent? Does Miller know at that point what the gun is being used for? Does he know that Miles is going to give the gun to Davis?

You see, I am not even an attorney and can come up with questions to throw doubt into someone's mind as to if Miller knew anything about the altercation happening at that very moment.

Yeah… normal people don’t casually lend out their guns to others. Also, isn’t asshole #2 one of his teammates?

 

[Wild Turkey]

Post the source of this so called response. I am curious where you found this, since a search yields nothings like that.

Intent goes a long way on the accessory law. And the last line of that law is pretty telling.

"The State has the burden of proof. The burden does not shift to the defendant."

Since the timeline has been established and several accounts I have read showed that the text did not come in until he was already there and parked, the bring my gun text was null at that point, because he was already there or on his way. Accounts of that are sketchy. But the following snip from a yahoo article shows they dont feel that Miller had intent or they can prove he had intent to be involved.

Asked Tuesday by AL.com why Miller hasn’t been charged with a crime, Tuscaloosa chief assistant district attorney Paula Whitley said, “There’s nothing we could charge him with.” Legal experts told Yahoo Sports on Wednesday that statement suggests Whitley and her colleagues lack sufficient evidence to prove that Miller intended to assist in a crime.

“They’re saying they don’t have any evidence that he knew what the gun would be used for,” said Philip Holloway, a Georgia criminal defense attorney who has been following the case. “They would have to prove that when he provided the gun to the third party, he was knowingly participating in some kind of criminal act. If he didn’t know that, and there was nothing else illegal about the transfer of that weapon, then there’s no crime.”

If this was some kid sitting on the bench you would be all about throwing him off the team and hoping the DA threw the book at him. But because this kid is your clutch player and you don't have a shot at the final four without him then you are going to defend him to the hilt.

It's pretty pathetic.

You aren't some naive hillbilly so you know damn well a Tuscaloosa DA isn't going to charge this kid if he can any way possible not to because it would be social and political suicide. The Tuscaloosa judges are shaking in their boots praying they don't have to hear the case.

You can pretend all you want there is a high road here but deep down you know this is bad shit that went down and this kid was an accessory especially if the part about him blocking the victim's car is true but I guess you can live with that and could care less about the victim. A player punches a woman on the field it's all fine as long as its a star-wide receiver. Delivery a gun and assist a shooter trap a victim and you don't have a problem with that.

This "the kid is innocent and did nothing wrong" is a horrible look for you and shows an incredible lack of scruples.

 

[fordman84]

Apparently the DA's office doesnt feel they have enough to go on either, and they have had a month to investigate this with phone records from the first days of the investigation.

Asked Tuesday by AL.com why Miller hasn’t been charged with a crime, Tuscaloosa chief assistant district attorney Paula Whitley said, “There’s nothing we could charge him with.” Legal experts told Yahoo Sports on Wednesday that statement suggests Whitley and her colleagues lack sufficient evidence to prove that Miller intended to assist in a crime.

“They’re saying they don’t have any evidence that he knew what the gun would be used for,” said Philip Holloway, a Georgia criminal defense attorney who has been following the case. “They would have to prove that when he provided the gun to the third party, he was knowingly participating in some kind of criminal act. If he didn’t know that, and there was nothing else illegal about the transfer of that weapon, then there’s no crime.”

A lack of charges at this time doesn't mean there never will be any. Like I half-jokingly said, April 4th will be the day to watch out for charges.

 

[fordman84]

If this was some kid sitting on the bench you would be all about throwing him off the team and hoping the DA threw the book at him. But because this kid is your clutch player and you don't have a shot at the final four without him then you are going to defend him to the hilt.

It's pretty pathetic.

You aren't some naive hillbilly so you know damn well a Tuscaloosa DA isn't going to charge this kid if he can any way possible not to because it would be social and political suicide. The Tuscaloosa judges are shaking in their boots praying they don't have to hear the case.

You can pretend all you want there is a high road here but deep down you know this is bad shit that went down and this kid was an accessory especially if the part about him blocking the victim's car is true but I guess you can live with that and could care less about the victim. A player punches a woman on the field it's all fine as long as its a star-wide receiver. Delivery a gun and assist a shooter trap a victim and you don't have a problem with that.

This "the kid is innocent and did nothing wrong" is a horrible look for you and shows an incredible lack of scruples.

I don't know what the answer is here. He's a potential lotto pick so even suspending him when the DA isn't charging him would be devastating if he really is completely innocent (read as oblivious to his dipshit friends wanting a gun out of his car). If it's me, I suspend him anyways and his future draft prospects are his own problem and hope he learns about consequences of who he runs around with. His car was apparently hit by bullets, he could just as easily be dead right now. Sounds like he needs to be taught a lesson and the suspension might do it.

The person looking the worst right now is the Bama HC. Anything for a win, and I hope highschool parents see the type of shit he will put up with for a W. I fully expect A&M fans to be completely classless assholes at Reed on 3/4, way worse than "lock him up".

 

[Wild Turkey]

I don't know what the answer is here. He's a potential lotto pick so even suspending him when the DA isn't charging him would be devastating if he really is completely innocent (read as oblivious to his dipshit friends wanting a gun out of his car). If it's me, I suspend him anyways and his future draft prospects are his own problem and hope he learns about consequences of who he runs around with. His car was apparently hit by bullets, he could just as easily be dead right now. Sounds like he needs to be taught a lesson and the suspension might do it.

The person looking the worst right now is the Bama HC. Anything for a win, and I hope highschool parents see the type of shit he will put up with for a W. I fully expect A&M fans to be completely classless assholes at Reed on 3/4, way worse than "lock him up".

If Oats had sat him for two games it would have taken some of the heat off of him but probably would have cost him a #1 seed in the tournament because they lose last night. So they literally are trading their #1 seed for their integrity at this point.

From what I've read as long as the kid isn't convicted or just gets a slap it really won't affect his draft status per the gurus on that. If he gets convicted then all bets are off but let's be honest if he got convicted then he doesn't deserve an NBA contract.

 

[BandwagonBo2]

Yeah… normal people don’t casually lend out their guns to others. Also, isn’t asshole #2 one of his teammates?

I have once or twice, but I shoot with the person I loaned the gun out to, and he is law enforcement and asked to use it on a gun range he shoots at once in a while.

Asshole 1 is Miles. I don't really know who Davis is other than someone that Miles knew. Not sure who you are classifying as asshole 2.

 

[BandwagonBo2]

If this was some kid sitting on the bench you would be all about throwing him off the team and hoping the DA threw the book at him. But because this kid is your clutch player and you don't have a shot at the final four without him then you are going to defend him to the hilt.

It's pretty pathetic.

You aren't some naive hillbilly so you know damn well a Tuscaloosa DA isn't going to charge this kid if he can any way possible not to because it would be social and political suicide. The Tuscaloosa judges are shaking in their boots praying they don't have to hear the case.

You can pretend all you want there is a high road here but deep down you know this is bad shit that went down and this kid was an accessory especially if the part about him blocking the victim's car is true but I guess you can live with that and could care less about the victim. A player punches a woman on the field it's all fine as long as its a star-wide receiver. Delivery a gun and assist a shooter trap a victim and you don't have a problem with that.

This "the kid is innocent and did nothing wrong" is a horrible look for you and shows an incredible lack of scruples.

So you dont have a source for your post? I asked you for the source of the article you posted. Man up and give the source. I will post every source of information I posted today if you would like. Fact is, until a DA charges Miller, there will be nothing for me to defend or not defend. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time associating with a bad actor who had already been let go from the team prior to this happening.

 

[BandwagonBo2]

A lack of charges at this time doesn't mean there never will be any. Like I half-jokingly said, April 4th will be the day to watch out for charges.

Actually I think a lack of charges means a good bit, but that doesnt mean they wont do so at some point soon. According to the info i posted they cannot find a timeline that could show Miller intended to be a part of the altercation, Nor texts that show he even knew what was going on. He was simply going back to pick up Miles as he had stated in his text message to him.