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Volbound1700 said:
The Alliance makes sense for ACC and Pac12 but I never understood why the B1G is involved. They are kind of the same position as the SEC in that they can take teams and don't need Alliances. IMO, the B1G could probably get Oregon and USC if they really pushed for it.
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pretty sure thats going to be part of this alliance. that they wont target each others schools. at least not behind closed doors.
 
OlyDuck said:
pretty sure thats going to be part of this alliance. that they wont target each others schools. at least not behind closed doors.
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I totally agree, I just don't see how the B1G wins here. I definitely see the value for ACC and Pac12 though.
 
78Cyclones said:
Since 2000, doesn't really mean anything. Sheesh, Alabama went (3-8) in 2000!

Even if it did, Iowa State still had a bigger stadium with more tickets sold and more fans than either of those programs since 2000.

FWIW, I do appreciate the fine years by the Beavers and the Cougars when they have them. They are hard to come by.
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i could use other time frames.
farther back doesnt help Iowa States case.
i could go 2010 Iowa State 4 winning seasons out of 11makes a better case against Oregon State. WSU has the same winning seasons but with more wins per.
 
OlyDuck said:
same can be said about Iowa State. all those fans in that big stadium didnt help the team from having more losing seasons than winning since 2000
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No, but all of those fans in the stadium helped Iowa State attract their current HC, who has specifically mentioned how impressed he was with Iowa State's fan enthusiam, etc. as a place he would like to coach - when he brought his Toledo team to Ames for a game.
 
OlyDuck said:
i could use other time frames.
farther back doesnt help Iowa States case.
i could go 2010 Iowa State 4 winning seasons out of 11makes a better case against Oregon State. WSU has the same winning seasons but with more wins per.
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Not arguing about Iowa State's historical futility. It exists. Even with that, they have a bigger stadium than Oregon, Oregon State and Wash. State. I'm not saying that having a bigger stadim makes a team better, but they do have a bigger stadium for some reason. It's also a positive not a negative when looking at expansion candidates.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I totally agree, I just don't see how the B1G wins here. I definitely see the value for ACC and Pac12 though.
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Big Ten gets huge OOC games added to their inventory. USC/Ohio State and Oregon/Penn State are more valuable than Ohio State/Illinois or Penn State/Northwestern.

It's the ACC that probably benefits the least because their TV contract isn't coming up. So even if the value of their content increases, they won't see any of that money.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I don't see us dumping Missouri because they are the only game in town for the state of Missouri. However, dumping Miss State and Vandy would make some sense (with the exception of Baseball!). Do you really need two Power5 schools in Mississippi or Tennessee? Both already have saturated recruiting markets.

Still Miss State and Vandy are not going anywhere because the SEC is still obsessed with tradition despite adding new teams.
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Now, that right there is one of the best oxymoron type statements I've heard in a while. Well done! :beer2:
 
outofyourmind said:
There's that 'enthusiasm' again
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Why not? They have built a very strong program. One of the top two in the Big Xii at the moment. Time will tell how long it will last, but the current roster of players has only experienced winning seasons and Bowl Games won a game in every other Big Xii stadium and keeps geting better. Will it last forever? No. Am I worried about going back to the bad old days of 1994 (I was a season ticket holer in that 0-10-1 season)? No. What they do have that many other programs in their neighborhood do not have is upgraded facilities and a very loyal fan base.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Iowa State is a really bad program all time. Under 50% all time win %. Not many P5 worse than them.
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They are AWFUL all-time! No doubt about it. However, they are not AWFUL now, and they have great fan support through thick and thin - which is something most of the Pac-12 does not have. In 2019, Iowa State would have only trailed Washington in average attendance per game by Pac teams.
 
78Cyclones said:
Not arguing about Iowa State's historical futility. It exists. Even with that, they have a bigger stadium than Oregon, Oregon State and Wash. State. I'm not saying that having a bigger stadim makes a team better, but they do have a bigger stadium for some reason. It's also a positive not a negative when looking at expansion candidates.
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Having a bigger stadium is one thing. Filling it is another. Most years, Oregon has better attendance than Iowa State.

Additionally, stadium size isn't all that relevant for expansion. The impact on TV deals is the only real consideration at this point.
 
78Cyclones said:
Not arguing about Iowa State's historical futility. It exists. Even with that, they have a bigger stadium than Oregon, Oregon State and Wash. State. I'm not saying that having a bigger stadim makes a team better, but they do have a bigger stadium for some reason. It's also a positive not a negative when looking at expansion candidates.
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you aren't? thats been a statement in nearly every post you have made. bigger stadium is like your catch phrase
 
Wild Turkey said:
You seriously are not following what I am saying so it's important that you try and focus. Here are the general facts (note I was wrong and working off old data because the ACC schools split 33mm instead of 20mm) :

1. ACC schools get 33mm from the conference each year
2. Current deal is for 15 years
3. To add a school the ACC would have to add 495 million over 15 years in revenue to breakeven
4. Renegotiation with the Network is going to be incredibly hard because there isn't anything on the table to really bargain with except one new game a year.
5. They are announcing the "Alliance" today and we don't know what that looks like yet but if it involves games against other conferences then they are going to have their hands full integrating that into schedules without adding a team.
6. I just don't see your three-pod solution to scheduling being that attractive to the other schools and I really don't see them doing it just to add WV.
7. I don't see the other conferences banning together and forcing ND's hand (although I would be in favor of that) because the B1G wants to stay in contention and I don't think the PAC wants the ACC to get any stronger and surpass them in revenue.

I get you want this to happen so very badly and honestly, I hope it happens for you but I don't think it is going to. I just don't see where it makes economic sense.

I don't see the B1G expanding unless the AAU money (which I really do not understand that well) makes it worthwhile.

I do see where the PAC could make it work but it would take a lot of negotiation and luck to pull it off and I think they should at least try or they will eventually regret it.

This is literally the last email I'm posting on this and you either accept what I'm saying or you don't.

Best of luck.
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1) I don’t Agree And it’d be for anyone the ACC added.
2) you are undervaluing what an extra conference game could add.
3) ND will never join any conference unless the playoff makes a rule saying a team most reside in a conference.

Thank you for the well wishes. I want this to happen badly you are right. I’m still thinking it can.
 
OlyDuck said:
you aren't? thats been a statement in nearly every post you have made. bigger stadium is like your catch phrase
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I have a catch phrase. I like it! I do think it shows that Iowa State and Oklahoma State are better programs than many on the Pacific Coast think. I do not think it automatically makes them a BETTER program. They also are nto as lame as many think they are.
 
78Cyclones said:
I have a catch phrase. I like it! I do think it shows that Iowa State and Oklahoma State are better programs than many on the Pacific Coast think. I do not think it automatically makes them a BETTER program. They also are nto as lame as many think they are.
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I'm curious...where would you rank the Iowa State athletic program amongst the 12 PAC members?
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Having a bigger stadium is one thing. Filling it is another. Most years, Oregon has better attendance than Iowa State.

Additionally, stadium size isn't all that relevant for expansion. The impact on TV deals is the only real consideration at this point.
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Yes, Oregon has years when they draw more than Iowa State, but Iowa State still fills their stadium well even when they are awful. I looked up 2008 (randomly), and Oregon averaged 59,000, and Iowa State averaged 47.000 (during an awful year). However, part of that was before Iowa State expanded their stadium to their current capacity due to demand (edited). FWIW, I do think that fans in the stands do eventually equate to eyeballs on TV. So, I do think that expanding with a program that averages more fans per game is a positive thing. Time will tell.
 
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