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fishinabarrel said:
Wrong. Troy Smith and Haskins both had maturity and work ethic issues. Troy was also pretty short.

Pryor and Barrett were simply never going to be good enough passers to be in the NFL. Barrett lacked arm strength. Pryor lacked accuracy.

Cardale Jones lacked experience and struggled throwing anything other than a deep ball.

Jury is still out on Justin Fields. He needs to improve different levels of his passing and he has the athleticism to let a team give him the time to do so
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Fields showed improvement this year, he just has nothing to work with on the Bears right now.

Goff seems like a good comp for Stroud
 
navamind said:
Fields showed improvement this year, he just has nothing to work with on the Bears right now.

Goff seems like a good comp for Stroud
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Stroud progresses through his reads quicker than any QB Ohio State has ever had, he also is the only one that will adjust things at the line himself and not always step back and look to the sideline.

A perfect example is the touchdown pass down the middle to Xavier Johnson in the Georgia game. X was supposed to be in protection in that play. The play call was called for a cover 1 and for Stroud to hit one of the deep posts ( opposite side of whichever the safety went to). Instead Georgia came out in a cover 2, Stroud recognized and told X to go up the seam, assuming both the safeties when go to the deep posts. They did and it resulted in a 36 yard TD. No Ohio State QB that I can remember did things like that
 
fishinabarrel said:
Stroud progresses through his reads quicker than any QB Ohio State has ever had, he also is the only one that will adjust things at the line himself and not always step back and look to the sideline.

A perfect example is the touchdown pass down the middle to Xavier Johnson in the Georgia game. X was supposed to be in protection in that play. The play call was called for a cover 1 and for Stroud to hit one of the deep posts ( opposite side of whichever the safety went to). Instead Georgia came out in a cover 2, Stroud recognized and told X to go up the seam, assuming both the safeties when go to the deep posts. They did and it resulted in a 36 yard TD. No Ohio State QB that I can remember did things like that
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Super fast

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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Super fast

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Very smart signal-caller who is a natural leader with great instincts and the ability to quickly cycle through his reads-nfl draft buzz

Stroud has good arm strength, although I stop well short of calling it elite. He generally does well to read coverage, identify leverage, and give his targets opportunities to make plays on the football. He is more than willing to identify matchups and test man coverage. He has impressive flashes of accuracy, especially down the field. Stroud is an excellent anticipatory thrower. I really like his approach and how he blends aggressive throws with taking profits when necessary. He takes care of the football and rarely puts it in harm’s way. Stroud has a good feel for the rush and maneuvering within the pocket. He is in full command of the offense and it appears he is involved with setting protections, locking routes, and calling audibles at the line of scrimmage. -the draft network

Moves eyes through progressions-walter football

accurate as Stroud is, his overall processing and mental work might be even more impressive. Stroud is an extremely smart passer, who’s shown he can quickly go through progressions and process leverage with stellar processing speed and field vision. He’s able to quickly diagnose coverages, make pre-snap checks -profootballnetwork

Keep making yourself look silly
 
fishinabarrel said:
Very smart signal-caller who is a natural leader with great instincts and the ability to quickly cycle through his reads-nfl draft buzz

Stroud has good arm strength, although I stop well short of calling it elite. He generally does well to read coverage, identify leverage, and give his targets opportunities to make plays on the football. He is more than willing to identify matchups and test man coverage. He has impressive flashes of accuracy, especially down the field. Stroud is an excellent anticipatory thrower. I really like his approach and how he blends aggressive throws with taking profits when necessary. He takes care of the football and rarely puts it in harm’s way. Stroud has a good feel for the rush and maneuvering within the pocket. He is in full command of the offense and it appears he is involved with setting protections, locking routes, and calling audibles at the line of scrimmage. -the draft network

Moves eyes through progressions-walter football

accurate as Stroud is, his overall processing and mental work might be even more impressive. Stroud is an extremely smart passer, who’s shown he can quickly go through progressions and process leverage with stellar processing speed and field vision. He’s able to quickly diagnose coverages, make pre-snap checks -profootballnetwork

Keep making yourself look silly
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Pretty sure they said this about all the other "great" OSU QB's drafted in the first round.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Pretty sure they said this about all the other "great" OSU QB's drafted in the first round.
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Weaknesses:
Poor pocket awareness
Can get rattled by the pass rush
Can freeze when seeing the blitz
Must get better at passing in the face of the rush
Blitz recognition needs work
Needs to check the ball down more
Field vision needs development
Needs to get quicker working through progressions

Justin Fields

Weaknesses:
  • Raw
  • Lacks experience
  • Inconsistent decision-making
  • Has to get faster at working through progressions
  • Footwork needs improvement
  • Ball placement can be off
  • Not a dangerous running threat
Dwayne Haskins

Keep making yourself look silly
 
fishinabarrel said:
Weaknesses:
Poor pocket awareness
Can get rattled by the pass rush
Can freeze when seeing the blitz
Must get better at passing in the face of the rush
Blitz recognition needs work
Needs to check the ball down more
Field vision needs development
Needs to get quicker working through progressions

Justin Fields

Weaknesses:
  • Raw
  • Lacks experience
  • Inconsistent decision-making
  • Has to get faster at working through progressions
  • Footwork needs improvement
  • Ball placement can be off
  • Not a dangerous running threat
Dwayne Haskins

Keep making yourself look silly
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Fun fact. Both Jim Harbaugh and Chad Henne individually have more playoff wins in the NFL than ALL OSU QBs combined.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Fun fact. Both Jim Harbaugh and Chad Henne individually have more playoff wins in the NFL than ALL OSU QBs combined.
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Thanks for deflecting to something meaningless and admitting you lost the argument
 
fishinabarrel said:
Using your logic no one would have ever drafted Patrick Mahomes. "He is just another QB from Texas Tech that racks up stats bc of the system."

Why did anyone draft an Alabama QB?

You're an idiot if you think CJ Stroud "is the same" as every other Ohio State QB.

Does he have guaranteed success in the NFL? No, no one does but ignoring the individual bc of what college he played for is dumb
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Difference is Mahomes didn’t have NFL talent all around him at Tech. And he was used to being under pressure. That was the norm for him at Tech.

And the difference between him and other Tech “system” QBs with gaudy numbers is that he is just flat out better and more talented than the rest of them. And obviously, he now has NFL talent around him.
 
Deep Creek said:
Difference is Mahomes didn’t have NFL talent all around him at Tech. And he was used to being under pressure. That was the norm for him at Tech.

And the difference between him and other Tech “system” QBs with gaudy numbers is that he is just flat out better and more talented than the rest of them. And obviously, he now has NFL talent around him.
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That is easy to say in hindsight now but before he could have easily been labeled as all the other Tech QBs that put up big numbers.
 
fishinabarrel said:
That is easy to say in hindsight now but before he could have easily been labeled as all the other Tech QBs that put up big numbers.
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Yes it is easy in hindsight. And most were shocked when he was drafted as high as he was because he too was perceived to be a system QB.

All that said, wouldn't you agree that Tech's "system" QBs had a WHOLE LOT LESS NFL talent around them than all Ohio State QBs? IIRC, those "systems" were developed in an attempt to mitigate the talent gaps.
 
Deep Creek said:
Yes it is easy in hindsight. And most were shocked when he was drafted as high as he was because he too was perceived to be a system QB.

All that said, wouldn't you agree that Tech's "system" QBs had a WHOLE LOT LESS NFL talent around them than all Ohio State QBs? IIRC, those "systems" were developed in an attempt to mitigate the talent gaps.
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Yes, absolutely. It was more in regards to someone saying that a player shouldn't be judged simply by the school he played for
 
fishinabarrel said:
Very smart signal-caller who is a natural leader with great instincts and the ability to quickly cycle through his reads-nfl draft buzz

Stroud has good arm strength, although I stop well short of calling it elite. He generally does well to read coverage, identify leverage, and give his targets opportunities to make plays on the football. He is more than willing to identify matchups and test man coverage. He has impressive flashes of accuracy, especially down the field. Stroud is an excellent anticipatory thrower. I really like his approach and how he blends aggressive throws with taking profits when necessary. He takes care of the football and rarely puts it in harm’s way. Stroud has a good feel for the rush and maneuvering within the pocket. He is in full command of the offense and it appears he is involved with setting protections, locking routes, and calling audibles at the line of scrimmage. -the draft network

Moves eyes through progressions-walter football

accurate as Stroud is, his overall processing and mental work might be even more impressive. Stroud is an extremely smart passer, who’s shown he can quickly go through progressions and process leverage with stellar processing speed and field vision. He’s able to quickly diagnose coverages, make pre-snap checks -profootballnetwork

Keep making yourself look silly
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What did they list as his cons? I was all about Stroud and still think he'd be a great fit for the Lions, as they have such a good OL, but seeing that he was ranked 97th out of 130 QB's in QB rating when throwing under pressure -- it tells me, he is going to be in for a long couple years in the NFL, until he figures out how to deal with pressure.

Outside of accuracy issues -- struggling under pressure is the biggest red flag in the NFL for a QB, as it doesn't matter where you go, you are going to be dealing with pressure every game.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
What did they list as his cons? I was all about Stroud and still think he'd be a great fit for the Lions, as they have such a good OL, but seeing that he was ranked 97th out of 130 QB's in QB rating when throwing under pressure -- it tells me, he is going to be in for a long couple years in the NFL, until he figures out how to deal with pressure.

Outside of accuracy issues -- struggling under pressure is the biggest red flag in the NFL for a QB, as it doesn't matter where you go, you are going to be dealing with pressure every game.
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Movement in the pocket, scrambles and footwork. You keep touting the under duress stat and I've asked you before if you saw the reason most are stating why he has that problem and it's his utter refusal to scramble most of his career.

He doesn't hold the ball long and works though his options fast which keeps him out of pressure most times.

Anyone that drafts him is probably hoping that the Georgia game was a light switch for him on his movement. It was his highest graded game of the year on the biggest stage against the best competition.
 
fishinabarrel said:
yin the pocket, scrambles and footwork. You keep touting the under duress stat and I've asked you before if you saw the reason most are stating why he has that problem and it's his utter refusal to scramble most of his career.

He doesn't hold the ball long and works though his options fast which keeps him out of pressure most times.

Anyone that drafts him is probably hoping that the Georgia game was a light switch for him on his movement. It was his highest graded game of the year on the biggest stage against the best competition.
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I bring it up, as once you get to the NFL, you will be facing pressure every game and if you struggle completing passes against pressure -- you are in serious trouble in the NFL.

I'm not saying Stroud will flop in the NFL -- if my Lions draft a QB -- Stroud is the one I want them to draft. I want that, because Jameson Williams needs a QB that can throw the deep ball and Stroud is very good at that. Detroit has the OL to where he won't have to deal with pressure very often, as our QB was sacked the least in the NFL and Goff is definitely not mobile.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I bring it up, as once you get to the NFL, you will be facing pressure every game and if you struggle completing passes against pressure -- you are in serious trouble in the NFL.

I'm not saying Stroud will flop in the NFL -- if my Lions draft a QB -- Stroud is the one I want them to draft. I want that, because Jameson Williams needs a QB that can throw the deep ball and Stroud is very good at that. Detroit has the OL to where he won't have to deal with pressure very often, as our QB was sacked the least in the NFL and Goff is definitely not mobile.
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From what I understand scouts seem to be less worried about it bc it's something a lot easier to fix then someone who is inaccurate, bad mechanics, or struggles to read defenses/progress through his options.

I don't see how Detroit could get him unless they make some major moves. I'd guess they stand pat with Goff for another year. Continue to build the rest of the team and Goff could just play smart football and let the team win it for him
 
fishinabarrel said:
From what I understand scouts seem to be less worried about it bc it's something a lot easier to fix then someone who is inaccurate, bad mechanics, or struggles to read defenses/progress through his options.

I don't see how Detroit could get him unless they make some major moves. I'd guess they stand pat with Goff for another year. Continue to build the rest of the team and Goff could just play smart football and let the team win it for him
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Detroit has the 6th pick from the Rams. The NFL draft is unpredictable. Chicago, Arizona and Denver (Seattle) are three teams picking ahead of Detroit. They most likely won't be drafting a QB most likely. So it leaves Houston and Indy, who will be. It is pretty much a consensus that Bryce Young is the first QB off the board.
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And for some reason unknown reason -- Will Levis is being pushed at the top of the draft. Personally, I don't like the guy. But he has a huge arm, a NFL body and can run. I've seen Mocks that have had Indy trading up to #1 to get Levis?!? So if it ends up being Young to Houston and Levis to Indy -- the next team in the draft who could take a QB is Detroit at 6. So they could definitely end up with him, even though I think they are rolling with Goff. He finished the 2nd half of the season with 17 tds and 0 interception and didn't throw an int over his last 345 passes.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Detroit has the 6th pick from the Rams. The NFL draft is unpredictable. Chicago, Arizona and Denver (Seattle) are three teams picking ahead of Detroit. They most likely won't be drafting a QB most likely. So it leaves Houston and Indy, who will be. It is pretty much a consensus that Bryce Young is the first QB off the board.
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And for some reason unknown reason -- Will Levis is being pushed at the top of the draft. Personally, I don't like the guy. But he has a huge arm, a NFL body and can run. I've seen Mocks that have had Indy trading up to #1 to get Levis?!? So if it ends up being Young to Houston and Levis to Indy -- the next team in the draft who could take a QB is Detroit at 6. So they could definitely end up with him, even though I think they are rolling with Goff. He finished the 2nd half of the season with 17 tds and 0 interception and didn't throw an int over his last 345 passes.
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Ah, forgot they had the Rams pick. Yeah, so hope someone takes Levis and Stroud could be there. That would be a perfect situation for him.

Honestly though they could probably just roll with Goff and be fine. Maybe even trade that pick for more equity
 
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