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Nah that was a 2-3 team that we would have shelled just like michigan. We pardoned them, is what you meant.
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Yes -- just like you shelled them this year. And in 2018 when it was 52-51. 1,087 days and counting.
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Still wrong. Maryland cancelled the game with us. Third time is the charm?
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That's right, they cancelled on us. I understand why they did honestly.
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You guys sure are making this difficult. So it was Illinois you were scared of and cancelled.
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If I haven't beaten a team in 1,087 days, I'd come up with some gimmicks too. Just think -- as soon as they put on those helmets, their degrees actually mean something and they started showing up for class.
As the Ohio State educated Cardale Jones once said, "We Ain't Come Here To Play Skool, classes are pointless" (ok, maybe he spelled school correctly, but it doesn't make his comment any more ridiculous)
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Cardale Jones graduated and was a national champion
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You guys sure are making this difficult. So it was Illinois you were scared of and cancelled.
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That isn't exactly a glowing example for the state of academics at Ohio State. The guy was definitely a beast in the CFP though.
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When over 60% of Ohio State athletes are undeclared or in something called general studies, we will talk
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Come on now -- Maurice Clarett spilled the beans on how OSU's run things. All Cardale did was confirm it was still going on.
"But few know why Clarett kept answering "I don't know" to the NCAA's questions. The NCAA kept asking where he got his cash, cars and trinkets, and Clarett claims he kept saying "I don't know" or "I just magically got them" or "I don't remember." Geiger was furious with him for that, and the NCAA ran him out for that. But Clarett says he lied to save his coach's hide, lied because he thought his coach would convince Geiger to keep him eligible, lied because he didn't want to implicate the men in Columbus with deep pockets.
"He's ineligible because he declined to tell the truth 17 times during an investigation," Geiger says, while refusing to comment on Clarett's specific allegations. "If you want to give him credibility when he's been unable to tell the truth under any circumstance since I've been around him, I'm not going to respond."
But, says Clarett, "what would've become of Ohio State if I said everything? Half the team would've been suspended, and it would've been worse for everybody. I was like, why don't I just take it?"
He thought Tressel would return the favor and protect him, but instead he was suspended indefinitely. Then, he says, he was stripped of teachers, tutors and perks. He calls it an institutional "blackball." That's why he sits in front of a tape recorder now, 14 months later, so he can tell the NFL GMs that there's another side to this story. That's why he's making claims about free rides, free cash, free grades and an Ohio State system that he says lined his pockets and then methodically tore him down.
"Ohio State created me," Maurice Clarett says right off the top. "They created what they suspended."
TO HEAR him talk, his college classes were a sham. Maurice Clarett graduated from high school a semester early and arrived at Ohio State in January 2002. Before long, he says, his grades were literally guaranteed. He describes a system that kept him and other players eligible and was overseen by the football program. He says his "grades were messed up" early on, that he wasn't supposed to be eligible for spring practice or the opening of training camp, but that his coaches simply fixed the problem. "As soon as they'd seen me struggle, they switched academic advisers for me," Clarett says. "He turned me on to a tutor, and then we were cool.
"The tutor is a professor at the school. I'd sit there with a notepad, and I'd be playing or talking on the phone, and he'd just outline everything in the book, and say, 'This is what you write for your paper.' He'd take a notepad and say, 'Write this, write that.'
"And they'd tell you like, the old test from winter '02 is going to be the test for January '03. Or the fall of '01 is going to be the next test. They tell you how the tests rotate."
As Clarett moved into his debut season in the fall of 2002, about to be the first true freshman running back to start a season opener at Ohio State, he realized everything was aligned to prevent his academic failure. If it wasn't tutors doing "research" for him, it was academic advisers registering him in courses friendly to the football program.
"My classes were all independent study," he says. "So I'd show up in like the eighth week of the quarter and do something for the last two weeks, and I'd be fine. A lot of times, during classes, I'd be in the weight room lifting. The coaches would be like, 'You get your class done?' I'd be like, 'I'll get it done the last two weeks.'"
Clarett says his adviser mapped out his course schedule, put him in easy classes and told him which teachers were on his side. For example, he says he almost never attended one African-American and African studies class, and when he did, it wasn't difficult to cheat. "It was probably like a 40-person class, and 30 of them were football players," he says.
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Come on now -- Maurice Clarett spilled the beans on how OSU's run things. All Cardale did was confirm it was still going on.
"But few know why Clarett kept answering "I don't know" to the NCAA's questions. The NCAA kept asking where he got his cash, cars and trinkets, and Clarett claims he kept saying "I don't know" or "I just magically got them" or "I don't remember." Geiger was furious with him for that, and the NCAA ran him out for that. But Clarett says he lied to save his coach's hide, lied because he thought his coach would convince Geiger to keep him eligible, lied because he didn't want to implicate the men in Columbus with deep pockets.
"He's ineligible because he declined to tell the truth 17 times during an investigation," Geiger says, while refusing to comment on Clarett's specific allegations. "If you want to give him credibility when he's been unable to tell the truth under any circumstance since I've been around him, I'm not going to respond."
But, says Clarett, "what would've become of Ohio State if I said everything? Half the team would've been suspended, and it would've been worse for everybody. I was like, why don't I just take it?"
He thought Tressel would return the favor and protect him, but instead he was suspended indefinitely. Then, he says, he was stripped of teachers, tutors and perks. He calls it an institutional "blackball." That's why he sits in front of a tape recorder now, 14 months later, so he can tell the NFL GMs that there's another side to this story. That's why he's making claims about free rides, free cash, free grades and an Ohio State system that he says lined his pockets and then methodically tore him down.
"Ohio State created me," Maurice Clarett says right off the top. "They created what they suspended."
TO HEAR him talk, his college classes were a sham. Maurice Clarett graduated from high school a semester early and arrived at Ohio State in January 2002. Before long, he says, his grades were literally guaranteed. He describes a system that kept him and other players eligible and was overseen by the football program. He says his "grades were messed up" early on, that he wasn't supposed to be eligible for spring practice or the opening of training camp, but that his coaches simply fixed the problem. "As soon as they'd seen me struggle, they switched academic advisers for me," Clarett says. "He turned me on to a tutor, and then we were cool.
"The tutor is a professor at the school. I'd sit there with a notepad, and I'd be playing or talking on the phone, and he'd just outline everything in the book, and say, 'This is what you write for your paper.' He'd take a notepad and say, 'Write this, write that.'
"And they'd tell you like, the old test from winter '02 is going to be the test for January '03. Or the fall of '01 is going to be the next test. They tell you how the tests rotate."
As Clarett moved into his debut season in the fall of 2002, about to be the first true freshman running back to start a season opener at Ohio State, he realized everything was aligned to prevent his academic failure. If it wasn't tutors doing "research" for him, it was academic advisers registering him in courses friendly to the football program.
"My classes were all independent study," he says. "So I'd show up in like the eighth week of the quarter and do something for the last two weeks, and I'd be fine. A lot of times, during classes, I'd be in the weight room lifting. The coaches would be like, 'You get your class done?' I'd be like, 'I'll get it done the last two weeks.'"
Clarett says his adviser mapped out his course schedule, put him in easy classes and told him which teachers were on his side. For example, he says he almost never attended one African-American and African studies class, and when he did, it wasn't difficult to cheat. "It was probably like a 40-person class, and 30 of them were football players," he says.
And Harbaugh outlined what scUM does for theirs
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One school has had multiple NCAA sanctions put on them. Had players suspended, coaches fired or forced to retire and their own players outlining how OSU works.
One isn't comparable to the other. I WISH UM would take OSU's route. We are stuck with an archaic administration who won't even allow credits from other schools to transfers in. Michigan big move was to take the team on a field trip once a year
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One school has had multiple NCAA sanctions put on them. Had players suspended, coaches fired or forced to retire and their own players outlining how OSU works.
One isn't comparable to the other. I WISH UM would take OSU's route. We are stuck with an archaic administration who won't even allow credits from other schools to transfers in. Michigan big move was to take the team on a field trip once a year
Have you never heard of the Fab Five? "One school" gimme a break.
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Basketball? I thought we were better than that. I couldn't care less when Michigan plays Ohio State in anything but football. Half the time -- I don't even realize UM and OSU has played in basketball. And the guy in the Fab Five thing groomed those players since they were kids. Used to be a gym in Detroit called St. Cecelia's. It was where the best of the best went to play from kids to high schoolers all the way to the pros in the summer. That guy was paying for those kids shoes and basketball trips and if the kid went pro -- then he expected a kickback.
Definitely a shady character, but what do you expect from a guy who made his money "running numbers". I WISH the football team would find an Ed Martin (I think that was his name). We need all the help we can get in recruiting.
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So you are going with Michigan only breaks the rules in basketball. How pleasantly naive of you
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Like the Fab Five? Absolutely. That was a perfect storm. Chris Webber, Jalen Rose and then after Robert Traylor were all kids who grew up playing at St. Cecilia's in Detroit, which Ed Martin frequented. Martin also worked with Webber's dad. Martin was paying Webber, Rose and Traylor long before Michigan. He was paying them while Webber was at Country Day and Rose was at Southwestern.
If the state of Michigan produced football talent like we do basketball talent -- I could see that happening. Our HS football isn't really good. It is 2 or 3 schools recruited any talent in the state -- the rest is a bunch of undersized, athletic white kids.
That's why UM needs to get in on the NIL game. I can tell you this. IF UM opened up the pockets of boosters for recruits -- we'd be sitting a heck of a lot higher than 24th for our upcoming recruiting class. It is legal now and UM STILL won't stop getting in their own way.
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I'd welcome the next Ed Martin with open arms for the football program. Screw basketball. I barely watch until it gets to March Madness.