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And yet. ND and Oregon are 0-1 instead of 1-0.
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What does that have to do with what is being discussed? No one says you don't draw eyeballs. We know you do.
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And, we will have more big time OOC games because of CFP expansion. Proves that by expanding, the regular season is better, not worse.
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We are still in the 4 team playoff world.
If Michigan is in line for that 4th and final spot against a couple of other teams you can damn well expect that they might be left out because of the cupcakest of cupcake OOC schedules.
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Michigan does have Big OOC games lined up for 2024-2027 (Texas and Oklahoma)
Not sure what happened this year and next year (East Carolina, UNLV, Bowling Green), they musta had someone back out on them late or something.
Don't let them confuse you that Michigan is starting some trend of playing no big OOC games because "you dont have to" though.
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It would be funny if it were down to 1 loss ND and 1 loss Michigan for the #4 playoff spot.
And ND got it because they went and played a marquee OOC game instead of playing 3 of the worst teams in FBS.
And ND got it because they went and played a marquee OOC game instead of playing 3 of the worst teams in FBS.
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When you lose is far more important than who you lose to.
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Well yea losing in week 1 and winning out is far better than going 11-0 then losing your last regular season game.
I think this is a good place to put this.
How a group of 'Next-Gen' ADs turned college football power brokers are shaping the game's future
Here's a quote @MAIZEandBLUE09 about scheduling "up".
"The likes of Florida, Georgia, Texas and Alabama from that Next Gen group could not only afford to schedule up, the future mandated it."
How a group of 'Next-Gen' ADs turned college football power brokers are shaping the game's future
Here's a quote @MAIZEandBLUE09 about scheduling "up".
"The likes of Florida, Georgia, Texas and Alabama from that Next Gen group could not only afford to schedule up, the future mandated it."
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This is the total destruction of every argument that @MAIZEandBLUE09 has made, and it totally backs up arguments I have been making since 2019 that the expanded OOC schedule post-2025 was tied to expansion:
Del Conte says that, three or four years ago, a group of his Next Gen peers got together to weaponize their schedules. Texas added Florida, Alabama, LSU and Georgia in schedules through 2030.
In the space of four months from February 2019 to May 2019, eight national nonconference games were announced. All but one of them was scheduled after 2025. Feel free to connect the dots. The CFP's current contract with ESPN ends after that season.
... and this:
Schedule strength was only becoming more important, making it a huge consideration in alignment. It's not only about playing better teams but also playing them more frequently. The SEC is growing to 16 teams. In 2021, Alabama played at Florida for the first time in a decade. Georgia still hasn't visited Texas A&M despite the Aggies joining the league in 2012.
With its 16 teams, SEC officials are trying their best to come up with a scheduling model that allows teams to play each other home and away within a four-year period. If not, what's the point of adding two of the biggest sports brands in the country?
@MAIZEandBLUE09 .. earlier in this thread you made some gibberish word salad that the SEC's schedule was not going to get tougher. Here you go:
Here is UGA's schedule for a 6-year period - I use 6 years because when we play 8 IC games with divisions, we rotate through all the teams in 6 years. Because of the CFP expansion, we add OU and TX, get rid of divisions, and go to a 3-6-6 schedule. This will guarantee more losses for our best teams. So there is no way we do this - we mastered using the 8-game IC schedule for our own best interests - unless we had CFP expansion. It's why we aren't doing it until 2025. See the article I quote above and the citation below.
Here you go:
Current schedule with 8 games and divisions -
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, Bama
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, Arky
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, LSU
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, ATM
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, Ole Miss
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, MSU
With 9 IC games, 3-6-6 with no divisions, beginning 2025:
UF, AU, USCjr, Bama, ATM, TX, Arky, Ole Miss, Vandy
UF, AU, USCjr, LSU, OU, UTjr, Mizzou, MSU, Mizzou
UF, AU, USCjr, Bama, ATM, TX, Arky, Ole Miss, Vandy
UF, AU, USCjr, LSU, OU, UTjr, Mizzou, MSU, Mizzou
UF, AU, USCjr, Bama, ATM, TX, Arky, Ole Miss, Vandy
UF, AU, USCjr, LSU, OU, UTjr, Mizzou, MSU, Mizzou
You compare that 6-year stretch and you try to tell me that our IC schedule didn't get way harder. There is one reason for that ... the expanded CFP. Period. If you don't agree with this, you are a troll and simply too stubborn to understand what has been happening since 2019 when expansion became obvious.
As a fan, inject that second schedule straight into me! As TV inventory for someone who loves CFB, let the B1G do that, let the other conferences do that with scheduling - the B12 already does - and we will have more fantastic games every week than we have ever had.
How a group of 'Next-Gen' ADs turned college football power brokers are shaping the game's future
The recent scheduling of major nonconference games is not a coincidence
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I have Mizzou each year, that’s a mistake. Put Kentucky every other year.This is the total destruction of every argument that @MAIZEandBLUE09 has made, and it totally backs up arguments I have been making since 2019 that the expanded OOC schedule post-2025 was tied to expansion:
Del Conte says that, three or four years ago, a group of his Next Gen peers got together to weaponize their schedules. Texas added Florida, Alabama, LSU and Georgia in schedules through 2030.
In the space of four months from February 2019 to May 2019, eight national nonconference games were announced. All but one of them was scheduled after 2025. Feel free to connect the dots. The CFP's current contract with ESPN ends after that season.
... and this:
Schedule strength was only becoming more important, making it a huge consideration in alignment. It's not only about playing better teams but also playing them more frequently. The SEC is growing to 16 teams. In 2021, Alabama played at Florida for the first time in a decade. Georgia still hasn't visited Texas A&M despite the Aggies joining the league in 2012.
With its 16 teams, SEC officials are trying their best to come up with a scheduling model that allows teams to play each other home and away within a four-year period. If not, what's the point of adding two of the biggest sports brands in the country?
@MAIZEandBLUE09 .. earlier in this thread you made some gibberish word salad that the SEC's schedule was not going to get tougher. Here you go:
Here is UGA's schedule for a 6-year period - I use 6 years because when we play 8 IC games with divisions, we rotate through all the teams in 6 years. Because of the CFP expansion, we add OU and TX, get rid of divisions, and go to a 3-6-6 schedule. This will guarantee more losses for our best teams. So there is no way we do this - we mastered using the 8-game IC schedule for our own best interests - unless we had CFP expansion. It's why we aren't doing it until 2025. See the article I quote above and the citation below.
Here you go:
Current schedule with 8 games and divisions -
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, Bama
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, Arky
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, LSU
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, ATM
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, Ole Miss
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, MSU
With 9 IC games, 3-6-6 with no divisions, beginning 2025:
UF, AU, USCjr, Bama, ATM, TX, Arky, Ole Miss, Vandy
UF, AU, USCjr, LSU, OU, UTjr, Mizzou, MSU, Mizzou
UF, AU, USCjr, Bama, ATM, TX, Arky, Ole Miss, Vandy
UF, AU, USCjr, LSU, OU, UTjr, Mizzou, MSU, Mizzou
UF, AU, USCjr, Bama, ATM, TX, Arky, Ole Miss, Vandy
UF, AU, USCjr, LSU, OU, UTjr, Mizzou, MSU, Mizzou
You compare that 6-year stretch and you try to tell me that our IC schedule didn't get way harder. There is one reason for that ... the expanded CFP. Period. If you don't agree with this, you are a troll and simply too stubborn to understand what has been happening since 2019 when expansion became obvious.
As a fan, inject that second schedule straight into me! As TV inventory for someone who loves CFB, let the B1G do that, let the other conferences do that with scheduling - the B12 already does - and we will have more fantastic games every week than we have ever had.
How a group of 'Next-Gen' ADs turned college football power brokers are shaping the game's future
The recent scheduling of major nonconference games is not a coincidence
I’ve said it for years….I’ve wanted on college football for a while now. Yes, I’m a Seminole’s fan. Yes, that absolutely has to do with it.
But, mostly it has to do with the current system to decide a champion. I really didn’t expect this to happen so soon/at all…..but it’s an exciting development to me.
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I'm sure this has been mentioned already but I do like that they gave little bit of an F you to Notre Dame by tying the byes into CCs.
ND could be the #1 team in the country and not get one
ND could be the #1 team in the country and not get one
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I'm not sure how you can talk about diluting the regular season while also celebrating the fact that Michigan just may be playing the worst OOC in the history of college football
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@WhosYourDawggy, did you just make up fake UGA schedules? You seem to be assuming that UGA will just happen to play all the best teams in the SEC all of a sudden on rotating schedules, while missing out on the worst. Are you going to rotate bama/LSU every year? Probably not. Are you going to rotate Tx and OU ever year? Probably not. In reality, your schedule will probably look similar to your current one some years, and similar to what you projected other years. But it will be entirely random. And protected rivalries will lock in some yearly matchups that screw up the rest of the rotation.This is the total destruction of every argument that @MAIZEandBLUE09 has made, and it totally backs up arguments I have been making since 2019 that the expanded OOC schedule post-2025 was tied to expansion:
Del Conte says that, three or four years ago, a group of his Next Gen peers got together to weaponize their schedules. Texas added Florida, Alabama, LSU and Georgia in schedules through 2030.
In the space of four months from February 2019 to May 2019, eight national nonconference games were announced. All but one of them was scheduled after 2025. Feel free to connect the dots. The CFP's current contract with ESPN ends after that season.
... and this:
Schedule strength was only becoming more important, making it a huge consideration in alignment. It's not only about playing better teams but also playing them more frequently. The SEC is growing to 16 teams. In 2021, Alabama played at Florida for the first time in a decade. Georgia still hasn't visited Texas A&M despite the Aggies joining the league in 2012.
With its 16 teams, SEC officials are trying their best to come up with a scheduling model that allows teams to play each other home and away within a four-year period. If not, what's the point of adding two of the biggest sports brands in the country?
@MAIZEandBLUE09 .. earlier in this thread you made some gibberish word salad that the SEC's schedule was not going to get tougher. Here you go:
Here is UGA's schedule for a 6-year period - I use 6 years because when we play 8 IC games with divisions, we rotate through all the teams in 6 years. Because of the CFP expansion, we add OU and TX, get rid of divisions, and go to a 3-6-6 schedule. This will guarantee more losses for our best teams. So there is no way we do this - we mastered using the 8-game IC schedule for our own best interests - unless we had CFP expansion. It's why we aren't doing it until 2025. See the article I quote above and the citation below.
Here you go:
Current schedule with 8 games and divisions -
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, Bama
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, Arky
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, LSU
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, ATM
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, Ole Miss
UF, USCjr, Vandy, UTjr, Ky, Mizzou, AU, MSU
With 9 IC games, 3-6-6 with no divisions, beginning 2025:
UF, AU, USCjr, Bama, ATM, TX, Arky, Ole Miss, Vandy
UF, AU, USCjr, LSU, OU, UTjr, Mizzou, MSU, Mizzou
UF, AU, USCjr, Bama, ATM, TX, Arky, Ole Miss, Vandy
UF, AU, USCjr, LSU, OU, UTjr, Mizzou, MSU, Mizzou
UF, AU, USCjr, Bama, ATM, TX, Arky, Ole Miss, Vandy
UF, AU, USCjr, LSU, OU, UTjr, Mizzou, MSU, Mizzou
You compare that 6-year stretch and you try to tell me that our IC schedule didn't get way harder. There is one reason for that ... the expanded CFP. Period. If you don't agree with this, you are a troll and simply too stubborn to understand what has been happening since 2019 when expansion became obvious.
As a fan, inject that second schedule straight into me! As TV inventory for someone who loves CFB, let the B1G do that, let the other conferences do that with scheduling - the B12 already does - and we will have more fantastic games every week than we have ever had.
How a group of 'Next-Gen' ADs turned college football power brokers are shaping the game's future
The recent scheduling of major nonconference games is not a coincidence
Yes, on average going to 9 conference games will likely increase your SOS. No, that has absolutely nothing to do with the playoff or OOC scheduling. It has everything to do with getting the most out of the current/next TV deals, as the B10 has just done. The reason the SEC is being forced into 9 is because with 16 teams you'd have massive breaks in scheduling other teams in conference otherwise.
To the argument @Deep Creek quoted:
While it's absolutely true that in a 2-4 team playoff you're going to have to split hairs to determine what teams get in...this quote especially DOES NOT apply to a 12 team playoff when it comes to the top teams. And it comes right after the quote you're using for making this argument; IE scheduling will get better because it improves chances in the end when splitting hairs. The "splitting of hairs" will only apply to the worst teams now entering the playoff. Teams like Alabama will absolutely serve no benefit in scheduling ANY tough games:
In 2021, if I'm looking at the standings and not missing anyone, there was exactly ONE team with two losses that wouldn't have made a 12 team playoff. It was Oklahoma. And that was likely because in the final three games of the season they lost to both ranked teams they played. In 2019 there would have just been 3 two loss teams left out in the entire power five (counting ND). In 2018 there would have been 1. 2017 there would have been zero....hopefully you're catching on.
So what we're really talking about is THREE loss teams or the final 1-2 two loss teams most years. And yes, a team that played a crazy schedule and lost 3 games may get in over the last 2 loss team who either lost a both games late, or played an easier schedule, but the reality is that WINS matter far more than who those wins are against. The rankings already very much prove this. There is no benefit to scheduling one of your 3 OOC games as a potential loss because at the end of the season your record matters far more than the quality of it.
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The 4 team playoff already diluted the regular season, hence me enjoying the easy wins. Michigan receives all the benefit in the world for playing the easiest schedule possible and entering the Ohio State game potentially undefeated. And that will especially be true once 12 spots are available instead of just 4.
Your record and your team name are all that matter anymore. Once the 12 team playoff is in place, that becomes solidified. Schedule 3 easy W's, play your conference schedule and hope to come out with 2 or fewer losses. You're probably in.
Yes, fans in general probably will still want to see the bigger matchups. But those matchups serve no purpose in this format. They only help if you're one of the last teams getting in, and in this case that means you're probably a 2-3 loss team. For teams like Ohio State who are consistently a 1 loss team, there's absolutely no benefit to risking that 2nd loss by scheduling a tough OCC game.
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That has a lot to do with the fact that so many teams are in it. Lowest seed to ever win an NCAA tourney? 8 Villanova. They did it in 1985, the first year of the expanded 64 team bracket.
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2 and 3 loss teams that lose all their games in conference and played a terrible OOC will certainly be looked over for teams who have the same losses but scheduled a marquee OOC game
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Right. And in basketball, there's far less separation between the top teams and the teams ranked in the 40's. In CFB, there's a massive difference between Georgia/Alabama and Oklahoma State at 9, or Michigan State at 10, or Pitt at 12. All those teams get decimated like Oregon if they play them in the playoff.
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But again, who cares? So you'll get that 12th spot over another average team and get blown out by Georgia? I just have no confidence that it actually matters who fills that 10-12 spot. They will not ever win anything but maybe a single game. Again, the best teams in CFB are absolutely incentivized to fill their schedule with easy wins. Easy wins get you into the top 10 and a locked in playoff spot. Record matters more than anything.