I don't think that's true. I think you have that illusion because Michigan gets a 5 star kid and then celebrates them as a star before they've done anything (because of how few we get). Ohio State has 5, 5 star recruits in this current class. Michigan combined 2018-2024 with 4.
Edwards was a 6th round pick. Had he gone to Ohio State he would have been a first round pick.
Looking at the classes Harbaugh has had with kids that were ranked 4/5 star:
Edwards is currently on our roster....?
I understand why top WR's don't come to our school. I don't understand why we aren't pumping in 5 star OL and DL prospects.
Terrence Shannon Jr. is who it was. He went to Illinois and was 1st team all-B1G.
That's the thing - those guys don't tend to be the major NIL recruits either, so that excuse is null. Also "pumping in" is a weird choice of phrasing.
I think ANY top 100 player is going to be an NIL recruit at this point.
I see him, he was the #14 transfer that year. Again, though, this isn't a reflection of michigan being some elite academic institution that these kids just aren't smart enough for. You guys have dumbasses working in your admissions office.
Well you haven't had a problem getting top 100 recruits in the past. They'll all likely get some level of NIL but no chance a top 80 overall recruit playing OG is getting near the type of NIL as a 5* QB, RB, or WR. You guys should be able to pull in those type of recruits with ease every year.
But we have actually had a problem getting top 100 recruits in the past. We get good classes because we get kids ranked in the 100-250 range. We should be able to pull in top 100 kids, we don't regularly because of the things listed -- academic standards for admission, transfer credit problems and refusing to pay NIL funds to HS recruits. That's only a more recent issue. Our classes have historically maxed out at like 5/6 top 100 recruits, and that's are best classes. More typically we get 1-3.
You realize getting 5/6 top 100 recruits would normally put you in the top 5-10 overall in the recruiting rankings, right? More often than not, that's where you've been during the Harbaugh years. You're basically on Penn State's level in terms of current NFL players (38 to 34) and you routinely out-recruit them, several years by a wide margin.
Right...the two times we did that in history it put is in the top 6 or so. Most years we get 1-3. And we do tend to slightly out recruit penn state...which is why Harbaugh is 6-3 vs. Penn State...
Sorry, I was confused. Trying to work, with work laptop problems.
I'm just not putting much stock into the whole "our academic standards are keeping us from getting top 100 recruits" angle. Stanford has had several years of getting multiple 5* kids. ND has had some very high level recruits and you never hear them complaining. Florida isn't that far behind michigan in the academic rankings and it hasn't hindered them. Hell, these days michigan isn't that much ahead of Ohio State (#21 vs #43) and obviously we're able to do it. It's not like we're outside the top 100 in academic rankings while recruiting kids that are freaks but can't spell their name.
DPJ could have been great, along with Nico Collins, had we actually thrown them the ball....which is why I understand top receivers not wanting to come here....unless they really enjoy run blocking.
If you go back and look, Stanford was getting 5 star OT's.....that's why I'm confused why we can't do that.
Nope I can't recall it. I remember losing to Sparty on a freaky play, I remember Rocket Ismail running two kickoffs for touchdown, I remember losing to Appalachian State, I remember getting our asses handed to us by ohio state (several times lately) and I remember not showing up to play ohio state (most embarrassing memory ever), but Oregon is not even a blip.
Stanford also got a 5* QB, OLB, and TE, but also had a good number of top 100 recruits, and they've sucked pretty much every year since 2016. Shaw was running that program into the dirt from the second he took over basically but they still got some surprisingly good recruits.
We get them at about the same rate as Stanford was getting them. We catch a few strays here and there. JJ was a five star on some of the sites. Edwards was a five star on some of the sites. We just don't get 5 in one class. I think we do well with grad transfers because 1. it's easier to transfer into UM from a college and 2. They don't have credits to lose.