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[Across The Field]

Yes -- he was atrocious. When you are putting up numbers like Aiden O'Connell and Justin Fields -- you are playing like hot garbage.

Read up on how the NFL works and then make an intelligent comment regarding RB's. Dobbins was given 1.5 million, which is barely above the 1.12 million league minimum for vets. The only RB's making less are those on rookie contracts.

The fact that you don't know the correlation between losing your top 5 offensive weapons for an average of over 5 games apiece in one season will mean your stats don't look as good shows your level of knowledge. I'm also not even sure what your point is here, because you blatantly ignore his phenomenal rookie year, and it's hardly a new thing for QBs to have a sophomore slump.

I do find it funny that you didn't realize Scumbaugh did actually acquire one of his former michigan RBs with the Chargers. He ended up 5th on the team in rushing and only averaged 2.6 ypc LOL. michigan is a joke when it comes to developing offensive talent. That fact doesn't change just because you try to be condescending about something you know nothing about.

 

[Across The Field]

Yeah, I don't really get the argument? OSU is elite at developing offensive talent for the NFL. If you're not going to give OSU credit, I don't see how Michigan deserves any credit for JJ McCarthy.

In the last decade, here were the OSU WRs drafted:
Devin Smith - 2nd round (3/4* recruit based on recruiting service)
Michael Thomas - 2nd round (3* recruit)
Noah Brown - 7th round (4* athlete)
Parris Campbell - 2nd round (4* recruit)
Terry McLaurin - 3rd round (4* recruit)
KJ Hill - 7th round (4* recruit)
Garrett Wilson - 1st round (5* recruit)
Chris Olave - 1st round (3* recruit)
JSN - 1st round (4* recruit)
Marvin Harrison Jr - 1st round (4* recruit)

So that's more 3* WRs than 5* WRs. Of our 4* kids, none of them are rated any higher than several kids that have gone to michigan over that time period. Yet they haven't had a WR drafted earlier than the 3rd round in 20 years.

 

[ericd7633]

Yes -- he was atrocious. When you are putting up numbers like Aiden O'Connell and Justin Fields -- you are playing like hot garbage.

Read up on how the NFL works and then make an intelligent comment regarding RB's. Dobbins was given 1.5 million, which is barely above the 1.12 million league minimum for vets. The only RB's making less are those on rookie contracts.

Do you know how it works? This comment leads me to believe you do not. It makes no sense to sign a guy to a 1 year deal, when you can draft someone and get 4 years of service, at a lesser rate, unless the guy you're drafting isn't as good as a the guy you sign to the 1 year deal. So yeah, Harbaugh thought much more highly of Dobbins than Corum. Wasn't even close.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Yeah, I don't really get the argument? OSU is elite at developing offensive talent for the NFL. If you're not going to give OSU credit, I don't see how Michigan deserves any credit for JJ McCarthy.

Some Michigan fans legit try to make it out that they are somehow "equal" at producing WR NFL talent because they've had the same number of WRs drafted since 2021 (4)

Ohio State WR draft position
Round 1 Pick 10
Round 1 Pick 11
Round 1 Pick 20
Round 1 Pick 4

Michigan WR draft position
Round 3 Pick 89
Round 7 Pick 253
Round 3 Pick 84
Round 7 Pick 253

 

[osubuckeye89]

In the last decade, here were the OSU WRs drafted:
Devin Smith - 2nd round (3/4* recruit based on recruiting service)
Michael Thomas - 2nd round (3* recruit)
Noah Brown - 7th round (4* athlete)
Parris Campbell - 2nd round (4* recruit)
Terry McLaurin - 3rd round (4* recruit)
KJ Hill - 7th round (4* recruit)
Garrett Wilson - 1st round (5* recruit)
Chris Olave - 1st round (3* recruit)
JSN - 1st round (4* recruit)
Marvin Harrison Jr - 1st round (4* recruit)

So that's more 3* WRs than 5* WRs. Of our 4* kids, none of them are rated any higher than several kids that have gone to michigan over that time period. Yet they haven't had a WR drafted earlier than the 3rd round in 20 years.

They seriously boast about DPJ getting drafted in terms of "look we develop!". Turning the #1 WR into a 6th round pick is a big fail.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

They seriously boast about DPJ getting drafted in terms of "look we develop!". Turning the #1 WR into a 6th round pick is a big fail.

Or, it's not so much development as it is that it is hard to eval WRs at the HS level? I think you would be surprised at how many highly rated WRs turned out to be mid once they got against good DBs, and WRs who were not the focus of their teams in HS "got better" once they had a QB who could throw them the ball. A HS WR is going to be wildly affected by the quality of QB they have and most HS don't have good QBs.

I'm not talking the unicorns ... we all know the top 3 or 4 WRs almost always hit, but not always. I contend that are a lot of 3* WRs who are way better than their rankings. Evals for WR are more important than development, IMO.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Or, it's not so much development as it is that it is hard to eval WRs at the HS level? I think you would be surprised at how many highly rated WRs turned out to be mid once they got against good DBs, and WRs who were not the focus of their teams in HS "got better" once they had a QB who could throw them the ball. A HS WR is going to be wildly affected by the quality of QB they have and most HS don't have good QBs.

I'm not talking the unicorns ... we all know the top 3 or 4 WRs almost always hit, but not always. I contend that are a lot of 3* WRs who are way better than their rankings. Evals for WR are more important than development, IMO.

I already pointed out that about 50% of top 10 rated WRs in their class end up being "busts". Dopey dUMb fan was claiming that Ohio State only gets WRs drafted because they constantly get the best ones. You still have to develop them. Even then that statement is false since we have gotten plenty of 3* and mid-low 4* WR drafted as well. Even getting WRs in the top 10 isnt a sure thing, he acts like those guys are assured to get drafted, which is completely false.

 

[Across The Field]

Do you know how it works? This comment leads me to believe you do not. It makes no sense to sign a guy to a 1 year deal, when you can draft someone and get 4 years of service, at a lesser rate, unless the guy you're drafting isn't as good as a the guy you sign to the 1 year deal. So yeah, Harbaugh thought much more highly of Dobbins than Corum. Wasn't even close.

I had to laugh when I realized he didn't know the Chargers had acquired Hasan Haskins and he sucked ass for them.

 

[Across The Field]

Or, it's not so much development as it is that it is hard to eval WRs at the HS level? I think you would be surprised at how many highly rated WRs turned out to be mid once they got against good DBs, and WRs who were not the focus of their teams in HS "got better" once they had a QB who could throw them the ball. A HS WR is going to be wildly affected by the quality of QB they have and most HS don't have good QBs.

I'm not talking the unicorns ... we all know the top 3 or 4 WRs almost always hit, but not always. I contend that are a lot of 3* WRs who are way better than their rankings. Evals for WR are more important than development, IMO.

This is absolutely correct. For example, look at Julian Fleming at OSU. I think he was the #2 overall prospect (not #2 WR, #2 overall prospect), and he fizzled out. For the context of this conversation, though, you have to be able to develop at least one or two guys into higher end draft picks/NFL performers, and michigan has done neither, whether it's one of the numerous 4* RB/WR guys they've gotten or even elite 5* kids like DPJ.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I had to laugh when I realized he didn't know the Chargers had acquired Hasan Haskins and he sucked ass for them.

Tyrone Wheatley & Anthony Thomas were decent for like 2-3 seasons buts that about it for RBs coming out of Michigan in somewhat recent memory.

Bike Hart didn't do shit in the NFL

Chris Perry got drafted in the 1st round but only ran for 606 total yards in 4 seasons.

Tim Biakabutuka was a bust too. (Drafted 8th overall, 2,530 rushing yards over 6 seasons)

They don't have a Eddie George or even a Robert Smith/Zeke caliber NFL RB in the last 30 years.

 

[Across The Field]

Tyrone Wheatley & Anthony Thomas were decent for like 2-3 seasons buts that about it for RBs coming out of Michigan in somewhat recent memory.

Bike Hart didn't do shit in the NFL

Chris Perry got drafted in the 1st round but only ran for 606 total yards in 4 seasons.

Tim Biakabutuka was a bust too. (Drafted 8th overall, 2,530 rushing yards over 6 seasons)

They don't have a Eddie George or even a Robert Smith/Zeke caliber NFL RB in the last 30 years.

That's the thing. clownphone will talk about how they don't run high powered passing offenses, but they can't even produce a RB or even a TE that's worth a shit. For a guy like Slimebaugh to be there for as long as he was and not produce a single skill position guy that's worth a shit outside of Nico Collins (who was only good once Stroud got there), it's just pathetic.

 

[osubuckeye89]

That's the thing. clownphone will talk about how they don't run high powered passing offenses, but they can't even produce a RB or even a TE that's worth a shit. For a guy like Slimebaugh to be there for as long as he was and not produce a single skill position guy that's worth a shit outside of Nico Collins (who was only good once Stroud got there), it's just pathetic.

Ohio State didn't run high powered passing offenses for the most part under Tressel.

They still got plenty of WRs drafted

Michael Jenkins
Santonio Holmes
Ted Ginn Jr
Anthony Gonzalez

were all 1st rounders under Tressel Ball.

 

[TaikoTiger]

No. They had some good recruiting!

We went from having no QBs worth mentioning for so many years but we always had great DBs and good DL. We were known as DBU at one time for the amount of DBs we sent to the NFL.

Then we became QBU, what with two Heisman QBs with both going on to a lot of success in the NFL as soon as they got there.

And, as you stated, they have turned out some of the best WRs to go into the NFL lately.

That is why recruiting is so important to any successful team.

Can't comprehend how yall do it but LSU has been the best at putting out WRs for like 15 years straight
And Kyren Lacy was going to be another one before turning himself to another Henry Ruggs

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

This is absolutely correct. For example, look at Julian Fleming at OSU. I think he was the #2 overall prospect (not #2 WR, #2 overall prospect), and he fizzled out. For the context of this conversation, though, you have to be able to develop at least one or two guys into higher end draft picks/NFL performers, and michigan has done neither, whether it's one of the numerous 4* RB/WR guys they've gotten or even elite 5* kids like DPJ.

Ladd McConkey is an extreme outlier ... he was ranked somewhere in the 2000s, and his only P5 offer was UGA. That's a big eval there. Hell, Bowers was a 4*, no. 3 TE (behind Jake Briningstool and Thomas Fidone II)

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

In the last decade, here were the OSU WRs drafted:
Devin Smith - 2nd round (3/4* recruit based on recruiting service)
Michael Thomas - 2nd round (3* recruit)
Noah Brown - 7th round (4* athlete)
Parris Campbell - 2nd round (4* recruit)
Terry McLaurin - 3rd round (4* recruit)
KJ Hill - 7th round (4* recruit)
Garrett Wilson - 1st round (5* recruit)
Chris Olave - 1st round (3* recruit)
JSN - 1st round (4* recruit)
Marvin Harrison Jr - 1st round (4* recruit)

So that's more 3* WRs than 5* WRs. Of our 4* kids, none of them are rated any higher than several kids that have gone to michigan over that time period. Yet they haven't had a WR drafted earlier than the 3rd round in 20 years.

You and @osubuckeye89 have to be the same person posting on different accounts. I don't even need to look up other guys, as I know for a fact Jaxon Smith-Ngjiba was a 5 star recruit. They signed him the same year they signed 5 star Julien Fleming.

But hey -- it is your story -- tell it however you'd like. Next are you going to tell us how Brian Hartline developed guys like Devin Smith and Michael Thomas, when he wasn't even on the coaching staff?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

That's the thing. clownphone will talk about how they don't run high powered passing offenses, but they can't even produce a RB or even a TE that's worth a shit. For a guy like Slimebaugh to be there for as long as he was and not produce a single skill position guy that's worth a shit outside of Nico Collins (who was only good once Stroud got there), it's just pathetic.

I think you have it backwards. With Nico Collins, Stroud looked great throwing up 50/50 deep balls for Collins to catch. Without Collins -- Stroud was Aiden O'Connell.

Michigan has never put out high end offensive talent -- Michigan has always been OL and Defensive side of the ball. I'd think with the last time you beat Michigan being 2019 -- you'd understand that as you get bullied around the field. But congrats on that high powered offense putting up 10 on us this year. Another couple years and Ryan Day's prediction of hanging 100 will come to fruition. You will just have to add 5 or 6 years together to get there.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Some Michigan fans legit try to make it out that they are somehow "equal" at producing WR NFL talent because they've had the same number of WRs drafted since 2021 (4)

Ohio State WR draft position
Round 1 Pick 10
Round 1 Pick 11
Round 1 Pick 20
Round 1 Pick 4

Michigan WR draft position
Round 3 Pick 89
Round 7 Pick 253
Round 3 Pick 84
Round 7 Pick 253

Who is god's green earth is saying Michigan is 'equal' to producing NFL talent at WR?

Only school who produces better talent at WR than Ohio is LSU. You could put Bama on the list too, with Waddle, Ruggs, Jameson Williams, Devonta Smith, etc.

 

[Across The Field]

I think you have it backwards. With Nico Collins, Stroud looked great throwing up 50/50 deep balls for Collins to catch. Without Collins -- Stroud was Aiden O'Connell.

Michigan has never put out high end offensive talent -- Michigan has always been OL and Defensive side of the ball. I'd think with the last time you beat Michigan being 2019 -- you'd understand that as you get bullied around the field. But congrats on that high powered offense putting up 10 on us this year. Another couple years and Ryan Day's prediction of hanging 100 will come to fruition. You will just have to add 5 or 6 years together to get there.

I don't have anything backwards. Look at Nico's stats before Stroud, speaks for itself. You're beyond retarded if you think Stroud isn't an elite talent. Everyone seems to understand young QBs have bad seasons sometimes, except for you. Keep ignoring reality, it's what you're best at.

Maybe some day you guys will put out talent the NFL is interested in.

 

[Across The Field]

You and @osubuckeye89 have to be the same person posting on different accounts. I don't even need to look up other guys, as I know for a fact Jaxon Smith-Ngjiba was a 5 star recruit. They signed him the same year they signed 5 star Julien Fleming.

But hey -- it is your story -- tell it however you'd like. Next are you going to tell us how Brian Hartline developed guys like Devin Smith and Michael Thomas, when he wasn't even on the coaching staff?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I don't have anything backwards. Look at Nico's stats before Stroud, speaks for itself. You're beyond retarded if you think Stroud isn't an elite talent. Everyone seems to understand young QBs have bad seasons sometimes, except for you. Keep ignoring reality, it's what you're best at.

Maybe some day you guys will put out talent the NFL is interested in.

I see the Ohio slappies excuses include the NFL too, as well as your use of the word "retarded". I expect nothing less from the intellectual giants coming from the Ohio fan base.

Speaking of keep ignoring reality. Last time you beat Michigan was 2019, imagine trying to tell a team you can't beat they don't have talent