What If JFK Wasn’t a Conspiracy

broncosmitty said:
No casings in the grass shouldn’t be a surprise. Casing left in tTSBD is the surprise.

It is not difficult to retain casing from a rifle.
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where’s the forensic evidence of the bullet you say came from this shooter in the grassy knoll. You say it hit Kennedy in the head but left no distinctive trace?
 
dbldwn711 said:
where’s the forensic evidence of the bullet you say came from this shooter in the grassy knoll. You say it hit Kennedy in the head but left no distinctive trace?
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It took a chunk of skull off.
 
broncosmitty said:
It took a chunk of skull off.
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there were over 40 tiny bullet fragments left inside Kennedy’s skull by the headshot. None of them suggest anything other than a bullet from Oswalds gun. In other words, this bullet that you claim came from the grassy knoll and “took a chunk of skull off” didn’t leave a trace inconsistent with the bullet from Oswald gun
 
dbldwn711 said:
im not cherry picking. They withdrew that conclusion not long after making it. Are you aware of that?

also, that conclusion was based upon some “hot mics” on some police radios but when they found it was erroneous they withdrew the the findings you cited above.
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Yeah...but you used the part that supported your position. Now another part is bogus?!?!?

Kinda sketchy evidence you got there.


Dan Rather? WTF?

Wasn't he caught making up fake news against Bush and then fired?


Case not so closed after all....

hahaha
 
broncosmitty said:
Multiple nations used brass catchers in WWII.

Oswald used a WWII surplus rifle. Bought it via the post office.

I don’t pretend to know who the others involved were. But am of the opinion they were professional. Not a difficult item to obtain. Or cut the toe out of sock, slip it over the barrel. Not difficult if you don’t want to leave evidence.
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not difficult yet Oswald left the evidence. Hell he even left the gun. So the other shooter left no trace of himself, the gun or the bullet he fired despite several people running up to the grassy knoll almost immediately after the shooting. That shooter (not Oswald) may have even used a brass catcher which wouldn’t be patented in the US for another 2 decades to help conceal the crime.

ok man… I’m not gonna go with that. I’m gonna go with what the evidence supports. We all have to make suppositions but for me personally your suppositions are a bridge too far. I appreciate where you’re coming from though.
 
Bayou Tiger said:
Yeah...but you used the part that supported your position. Now another part is bogus?!?!?

Kinda sketchy evidence you got there.


Dan Rather? WTF?

Wasn't he caught making up fake news against Bush and then fired?


Case not so closed after all....

hahaha
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what do you mean “Dan rather”?
 
Bayou Tiger said:
Yeah...but you used the part that supported your position. Now another part is bogus?!?!?

Kinda sketchy evidence you got there.


Dan Rather? WTF?

Wasn't he caught making up fake news against Bush and then fired?


Case not so closed after all....

hahaha
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I didn’t say it was “bogus”. The house select committee said it was.
 
Bayou Tiger said:
The video you posted about the rifle was a Dan Rather piece....
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haha

I only posted that bc there was a question about whether or not oswalds rifle discharged a shell cartridge or not. That video SHOWS a cartridge being discharged. That’s the only reason I showed it and that’s what I said at the time I posted it.
 
broncosmitty said:
Okay.

Authorities also “found” a pristine bullet at the hospital.

Leaving evidence is sloppy. Again, it is not difficult to avoid leaving shell casings. Brass catchers had been available for decades.
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im trying to play catch up.

what do you mean by “found” (in quotes?) a pristine bullet at the hospital?

are you questioning that bullet? My understanding is it’s not pristine but rather nearly pristine. If memory serves me it was flattened at the end.

are we having a discussion about this bullet? @Orlando_Eagles … did I miss a discussion here?
 
broncosmitty said:
He told us himself, he was a patsy.
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Read up more on him. He was always the victim. He easily had a solid touch of borderline personality disorder to him. Anti social, wouldn’t go to school. Found nothing around him he liked.

Went to USSR because that was going to be the thing that fixed it for him. Received attention and notoriety at first. Ate up. It stopped and he wanted out of the Soviet Union. Pissed off when he came home that not one reporter showed up.

He was anti social, yet craved attention. Of course he was going to do it and be selfishly smart enough to try to cloud his guilt.
 
dbldwn711 said:
I completely agree and it’s why I don’t think the mafia “used” him as a killer which would in turn dispense with the need for Ruby to “silence” him.

why? LOTS of reasons. First, I’ve already talked about the walker shooting. If Oswald was hired by the mob to kill Kennedy then why risk exposing yourself/getting caught trying to kill walker? Also, the mafia didn’t get Oswald the job at the TSBD. Ruth Paine did. She’s clearly not connected to the mafia.

additionally, I read the book that @Bayou Tiger referenced. I was completely fascinated with David Ferrie and those characters. But according to that book the mafia was making plans to “hit” Kennedy all the way back in 1962. They were making plans to take out Kennedy then (according to the book). Problem is Oswald was living in Dallas in 1962 when the mafia was supposedly making their plans. Oswald didn’t go to New Orleans till the summer of 1963 long after the mafias plans were being made and long before the trip to Dallas was even announced! MOST IMPORTANTLY Oswald went to Mexico in September of 1963 trying to get a visa to Cuba!! If he was “recruited” into some plan to kill the president (which is something he clearly wanted to do) in the summer of 1963 why would he try to leave for cuba in September? That makes no sense!! If he had been successful in getting his visa to cuba he wouldn’t have even been in Dallas in November of 1963.

Lastly, let’s say Oswald was part of this conspiracy with the mafia and he was gonna do it from the TSBD. Ok… the trip gets announced a few days before the assassination and there is no evidence that Oswald was ever contacted by anyone (let alone the mafia) in the few days between the trip being announced and the actual killing. Where’s the planning? Where’s the meetings to go over everything? By all accounts Oswald did nothing out of the ordinary (except visit his wife the day before the assassination) that would suggest he was involved in anything resembling a plot to kill the president. There no rush of phone calls or him disappearing to go meet with people.

Nope. I don’t buy it.
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And we know damn well if there was some smoking gun on a conspiracy lining up before the event that Jim Garrison was gonna find it.

He made up enough shit because he couldn’t find anything. He surely would have liked to find something and not have to make so much shit up.

The only way this floats is if there was a conspiracy to hit JFK on this day and in this spot and some deranged jackass just happened to have the same idea.
 
dbldwn711 said:
im trying to play catch up.

what do you mean by “found” (in quotes?) a pristine bullet at the hospital?

are you questioning that bullet? My understanding is it’s not pristine but rather nearly pristine. If memory serves me it was flattened at the end.

are we having a discussion about this bullet? @Orlando_Eagles … did I miss a discussion here?
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Nah. I get what he’s saying about brass catchers. I do agree with you that it’s a supposition without evidence once you consider that many people heard echoing shots and pointed that way. That’s it. Police were there immediately and found nothing. We’ve still found nothing.

The pristine bullet is, again, one of those little twists theorists do to support the theory. The bullet was virtually whole and found on the gurney Connelly was on at Parkland. It surely fell out of his thigh as it didn’t embed deep into it. This was the “magic bullet”.

It looks whole on most profile pics, but from the back and other angles you can see how mangled it is. What’s interesting is the jacket held tight all the way. Crazy ass thing.
 
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