What Is The PAC’s or Big 12’s Move?

[OregonDucks]

Im continually baffled at Stanford's name being dropped into this. Yes they are in a huge market, but Stanford draws no eyes. Just because Stanford is in the B1G doesn't suddenly mean everyone in San Fran is going to start watching Stanford football games. When they were having their run atop the PAC they didn't even sell out their games.

 

[Volbound1700]

Im continually baffled at Stanford's name being dropped into this. Yes they are in a huge market, but Stanford draws no eyes. Just because Stanford is in the B1G doesn't suddenly mean everyone in San Fran is going to start watching Stanford football games. When they were having their run atop the PAC they didn't even sell out their games.

Notre Dame... that is the only reason. They do help with UCLA/USC travel situation as well.

 

[OregonDucks]

This is where it starts getting messed up.

Already, we have people talking about kicking out members of leagues because they're not powerhouse programs. We can reasonably anticipate that the "have's" will keep becoming an increasingly smaller group because they want more and more of the revenue for themselves. But they can't forget the fact that you don't rack up 13 wins and a natty by playing all powerhouse programs.

Look at the B1G's recent additions, Rutgers and Maryland, that wasn't for "powerhouse" additions, that was purely for markets.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Im continually baffled at Stanford's name being dropped into this. Yes they are in a huge market, but Stanford draws no eyes. Just because Stanford is in the B1G doesn't suddenly mean everyone in San Fran is going to start watching Stanford football games. When they were having their run atop the PAC they didn't even sell out their games.

Why hello future conference mate pal.

 

[Volbound1700]

Look at the B1G's recent additions, Rutgers and Maryland, that wasn't for "powerhouse" additions, that was purely for markets.

This is why I think if the SEC doesn't grab UNC, they will get NC State. To just be in North Carolina and hopefully threaten North Carolina. In fact, UNC maybe afraid of an SEC team in North Carolina and be forced to join SEC under that threat similar to how Texas got threaten with Texas A&M being in SEC.

 

[Wild Turkey]

desperate move for desperate people

The networks will delay negotiating with them until they see how everything falls out.

I’m seeing estimates of 500million value before USC and UCLA bolted to now 300 million.

That means that USC was probably being valued at 150mm and UCLA at around 50mm (no real fact in that statement though as it’s based on the LA market as a whole).

 

[Top Cat]

Im continually baffled at Stanford's name being dropped into this. Yes they are in a huge market, but Stanford draws no eyes. Just because Stanford is in the B1G doesn't suddenly mean everyone in San Fran is going to start watching Stanford football games. When they were having their run atop the PAC they didn't even sell out their games.

Notre Dame exists and Stanford is as rich as anyone. There's a reason Georgia Tech gets brought up too and it isn't just Atlanta.

 

[OregonDucks]

Why hello future conference mate pal.

Although I've wanted a piece of West Virginia since 2007, the only way I accept this statement is if we are both in the SEC.

 

[Kburjr]

Im continually baffled at Stanford's name being dropped into this. Yes they are in a huge market, but Stanford draws no eyes. Just because Stanford is in the B1G doesn't suddenly mean everyone in San Fran is going to start watching Stanford football games. When they were having their run atop the PAC they didn't even sell out their games.

They won't be playing bottom division teams like the PAC North as much.

 

[OregonDucks]

Even if the PAC-10 negotiates TV contracts, it better be extremely good and up there near B1G and SEC numbers, otherwise Oregon has to say peace and bounce.

 

[Tharvot]

Stanford is an interesting option. I don't think they move the needle enough for leagues to go grab them but coupled with Notre Dame, they make sense. USC and UCLA having a Cali partner would have helped. In fact, you could probably schedule the last two games for both in late November and avoid having them go into the Snowstorms of the Midwest.

You just gotta turn off your sports fan brain and try to think like a businessman. What are the 3 things the B1G has forever touted themselves as being most interested in? Academic Prestige (especially academic research), Rich Athletic History, Large TV Audience (or national fanbase in the case of Nebraska or ND which is the ultimate case for national pull).

Stanford is a no-brainer and checks off all 3 boxes.

 

[Wizardhawk]

It's true UW has a large TV market footprint, however for college purpose large cities that have pro football teams tend to do worse than smaller markets without a pro team. It's a mixed bag.

The talk about UCLA ignores how much they bring in men's hoops. True blueblood status. Both of those Cali schools will bring something to the B1G.

No shit USC wants to block the NW schools and bring the other two Cali programs. Shorter travel, recruiting grounds they already stomp on, and teams they have dominated. I'd push against Oregon too if I was them.

Both of our schools suffer from isolation. No other teams in the non Pac conferences can possibly travel by bus, and will mostly be on very long plane rides.

 

[Tharvot]

Im continually baffled at Stanford's name being dropped into this. Yes they are in a huge market, but Stanford draws no eyes. Just because Stanford is in the B1G doesn't suddenly mean everyone in San Fran is going to start watching Stanford football games. When they were having their run atop the PAC they didn't even sell out their games.

Rutgers

 

[Wild Turkey]

It's true UW has a large TV market footprint, however for college purpose large cities that have pro football teams tend to do worse than smaller markets without a pro team. It's a mixed bag.

The talk about UCLA ignores how much they bring in men's hoops. True blueblood status. Both of those Cali schools will bring something to the B1G.

No shit USC wants to block the NW schools and bring the other two Cali programs. Shorter travel, recruiting grounds they already stomp on, and teams they have dominated. I'd push against Oregon too if I was them.

Both of our schools suffer from isolation. No other teams in the non Pac conferences can possibly travel by bus, and will mostly be on very long plane rides.

You’ll get in the B12 at least. If it’s by merger or by invite. Washington is too big a brand for the B12 to leave on the table.

 

[Wizardhawk]

Stanford is an interesting option. I don't think they move the needle enough for leagues to go grab them but coupled with Notre Dame, they make sense. USC and UCLA having a Cali partner would have helped. In fact, you could probably schedule the last two games for both in late November and avoid having them go into the Snowstorms of the Midwest.

College football needs to go their own way and leave the ncaa. These could end up being steps that had that way. New leagues with more football centric rules. If that happened I could see those non elite programs being left behind, just like the bottom feeders of the conferences collapsing now are out in the cold.

But sure, I doubt any will be kicked out of the mega conferences to make more room for more elites.

Whether they should or not is a matter for debate, but it isn't happening anytime soon.

 

[OlyDuck]

Reasoning is pretty simple. I weight recent on-field performance pretty low. Instead, I weight school academic rating, historic sports performance across all programs, and natural TV market (population of surrounding area) as the highest 3. If I'm looking at that list of schools independently of who else may or may not join, i have them listed how I would value them.

1 - Stanford: unparalleled academic rating, great historic athletic success, massive TV market in the SF Bay Area (~7.7 million)
2 - Washington: strong academic rating, athletic success has been middling, large TV market in the Seattle Area (~4 million)
3 - Colorado: similar profile to Washington with pretty good academics, ok athletics, and large TV market in the Denver area ( ~3 million)
4 - Here is where i would have Oregon. Academic rating on par with Colorado, athletic success much greater than Washington or Colorado, but TV market also much smaller.

If I'm forced to take Cal along with Stanford to capture the SF market, then they move way up on my list. Utah again fits ok in the academic wing, but offers very little in historic athletic success. Some recent success, and SLC while a pretty large TV market, isn't huge and is mostly dominated by BYU anyhow. For those reasons, the Utes are last among the 6.

They would, however, be a very attractive option for the B12 since BYU is joining in with them. The AZ schools also would be good proximity fits for the B12. Oregon would probably be best suited for the B1G, especially if Washington is added. If not, then a PNW wing of the B12 with both oregon and washington schools might work.

by much smaller you mean seattle/tacoma ranked 14th and Portland Oregon 22nd
equating to sports rankings 14th ranked AP team was 10-3 22nd team was 10-4 (by chance it was Oregon)

 

[Wizardhawk]

You’ll get in the B12 at least. If it’s by merger or by invite. Washington is too big a brand for the B12 to leave on the table.

I'm not worried either way. This is a period of change, but we won't see the final form for many years. Not until after the next playoff incarnation.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Although I've wanted a piece of West Virginia since 2007, the only way I accept this statement is if we are both in the SEC.

We’ll be both flying our B12 flags proudly in 2+ years ole pal.

 

[Volbound1700]

You just gotta turn off your sports fan brain and try to think like a businessman. What are the 3 things the B1G has forever touted themselves as being most interested in? Academic Prestige (especially academic research), Rich Athletic History, Large TV Audience (or national fanbase in the case of Nebraska or ND which is the ultimate case for national pull).

Stanford is a no-brainer and checks off all 3 boxes.

I disagree here. Sacramento/San Francisco is a great TV market but not a great COLLEGE FOOTBALL TV market. That is your issue. Granted their is potential to grow that market... in that aspect, I could agree with you.

 

[Volbound1700]

Oregon vs. West Virginia sounds like an interesting game. I would watch it.